List Mgmt. 2024 Trade Thread - No.3

[Hayes4PM]

FB: Attard - Penny - H.Goddard
HB: Roberton - Maguire - J.Smith
C: Hannebery - Crouch - Freeman
HF: L. Fisher - Hamill - J.Cripps
FF: X.Clarke - McCartin - T.Lynch
R: Brooks - Lovett - B.Howard

Now that we have all of that shit out of the way...

8 + F1st
for
2 + F2nd from North

OR

F1st
for
16 from GWS

What do we prefer? Move a pick for a mid-late 1st this year OR move up to pick 2 for FOS/Lalor/Smith in exchange for dropping back next year?

This one. Not only are we guaranteed one of the top mids but we get our pick of the bunch outside of Lalor most likely. Even if it's "even" there'd be a preference as to who would fit into our squad of young players best and would suit our side. The core of the squad for the next 6-10 years is taking shape (King, Nas, Windhager, Owens, Phillipou, Wilson, Henry, Caminiti, Sharman) with some decent prospects that might also make it (Collard, Keeler, Hastie, Schoenmaker, Garcia). There's enough sure things in there that we can afford to trade up to pick 2 rather than hedge our bets on 7, 8 and trading our future first for a late first round pick this year.

FOS/Draper/Smith (pick 2) + Smillie/Langford/Travaglia/Reid/Allan (Pick 7).

Then next year, have a go at a Free Agent (LDU, TDK, Brayshaw) after 3 years of going a more draft heavy approach.

 

[pebblesofsand]

He will be Restricted Free agent, they can match

They'll have midfielders coming out of their ****'s and they'll all be demanding more and more money so I don't believe they'll match.

Given the state of their list and the spread of talent available available in the top 25 of this draft, I think they'd have been better off seeing what they could get for him this year.

Finish 15/16th next year and the compo next year will be Pick 3/4 so that equates to something like 8 and 32 for LDU this year.

Would you have done it?

 

[Joffaboy]

They'll have midfielders coming out of their ****'s and they'll all be demanding more and more money so I don't believe they'll match.

Given the state of their list and the spread of talent available available in the top 25 of this draft, I think they'd have been better off seeing what they could get for him this year.

Finish 15/16th next year and the compo next year will be Pick 3/4 so that equates to something like 8 and 32 for LDU this year.

Would you have done it?

If they keep two and take a mid I reckon they are conceeding LDU is gone. If they take Tauru @ 2 (a huge stretch) they may fancy their chances of keeping him.

 

[saintbill]

LDU will end up at the Cats. Don't ask me how, they will just get it done.

 

[thekizzler]

Best 22:
Webster Howard Stocker
NAS Wilkie Sinclair
Hill Steele Wilson
Henry King Owens
Higgins Caminiti Sharman
Marshall Macrae Phillipou
Windhager Butler Clark Wood Garcia

Reserves:
Shoenmaker McLennan Byrnes
Collard Hastie Hall
Jones Keeler Dow
Heath Cordy Pick 7
O’Connell Pick 8
Pick 32 Pick 47

Delist/FA:
Ross Bonner Van Es
Campbell Crouch Battle
Allison Membrey Paton
Hayes Hotton

There is 0% chance of this being our best 22 with only two talls in defence.

There will be three minimum.

 

[L_W_P]

This one. Not only are we guaranteed one of the top mids but we get our pick of the bunch outside of Lalor most likely. Even if it's "even" there'd be a preference as to who would fit into our squad of young players best and would suit our side. The core of the squad for the next 6-10 years is taking shape (King, Nas, Windhager, Owens, Phillipou, Wilson, Henry, Caminiti, Sharman) with some decent prospects that might also make it (Collard, Keeler, Hastie, Schoenmaker, Garcia). There's enough sure things in there that we can afford to trade up to pick 2 rather than hedge our bets on 7, 8 and trading our future first for a late first round pick this year.

FOS/Draper/Smith (pick 2) + Smillie/Langford/Travaglia/Reid/Allan (Pick 7).

Then next year, have a go at a Free Agent (LDU, TDK, Brayshaw) after 3 years of going a more draft heavy approach.

Love the thinking here.

Im probably more inclined to go the other way give some of the talent that could fall into the teens BUT if next year's draft is as KPP heavy a speople are saying then North's 2nd rounder could still nab us a pretty good player...

Interesting that you dropped TDK in with Brayshaw and LDU here as well. Is that based on anything or just adding him in as a high profile FA?

I doubt he'd go anywhere (unless the Cats give him the farm they allocated to Clayton Oliver) but he'd be a pretty insane pick up. Give him the #1 ruck mantle, RoMa rotates forward in the last few years of his career... Could be an inspired move if the club went down that path!

 

[HeavenlySources]

LDU will end up at the Cats. Don't ask me how, they will just get it done.

Yep, pick 17 for LDU after being forced to trade. Media bemoans North Melbourne for being unreasonable, just take the Pick he's a free agent. Geelong's best players take a 'pay-cut' to make room for LDU in the salary cap.

 

[SinCitySainter]

North will have to match the offer for LDU if they don't it will send a really bad message to their other young stars.
They have to keep the core of their team together and with the salary cap uplift money won't be a concern.
North are in a dangerous position particularly with Stephenson retiring.
Lose one more of their key group of stars and future stars and the others could fall really quickly and they will be consigned to another complete rebuild.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Love the thinking here.

Im probably more inclined to go the other way give some of the talent that could fall into the teens BUT if next year's draft is as KPP heavy a speople are saying then North's 2nd rounder could still nab us a pretty good player...

Interesting that you dropped TDK in with Brayshaw and LDU here as well. Is that based on anything or just adding him in as a high profile FA?

I doubt he'd go anywhere (unless the Cats give him the farm they allocated to Clayton Oliver) but he'd be a pretty insane pick up. Give him the #1 ruck mantle, RoMa rotates forward in the last few years of his career... Could be an inspired move if the club went down that path!

Just that those 3 FA's looked the best suited and best quality. I think the performance of Marshall as a forward this year in those few games with 2 rucks has indicated that he's still that tall forward we drafted and could be a massive weapon rotating through the forward line more often. The fact we sniffed around Soldo makes me think the club thinks a 2 ruck team is possible as well and Rowan isn't just a "resting ruck" there to be a big body but a genuine pairing to King.

TDK and Rowan together is no guarantee to work out (Gawn and Grundy), but Rowan has more natural forward craft and ability than either of those 2 and I think with the right pairing could see our forward line looking more dangerous and effective than it has in a long time.

King and Marshall as 2 behemoths that are still somewhat agile for their size (Rowan's work around stoppages and ability keep in it after the initial ruck contest suggests this) and can take contested marks. Owens and Sharman as the versatile forwards a bit like Membrey, can play up the ground if needed, have the capacity to fly for marks and play on a wing or as a defensive forward (Sharman) or a spell through the midfield (Owens). Henry, Higgins, Butler as the smaller forwards with varied skills: Higgins can do a bit of every (lead up, strong mark, great when ball is on deck) but a bit out there with kicking... Henry looks a livewire and similar to Butler with hitting lose ball and running past at speed, can also play up the ground. Butler more classic small forward roving role, I think Collard would be the one he comes in for if he can find the form and fitness.

I think a second ruck can work with how good Marshall is in the forward line, we just need to grab one that's ready to go and doesn't need the many years of development.

 

[saintbill]

Yep, pick 17 for LDU after being forced to trade. Media bemoans North Melbourne for being unreasonable, just take the Pick he's a free agent. Geelong's best players take a 'pay-cut' to make room for LDU in the salary cap.

Yep, something like that. Saw some scandalous rumours on the Doggies site a few weeks back.

Impossible to prove, but allegations that Cats players are buying farms and getting free maintenance from some company connected to the Cats.

Also, some outrageous property sales for Cats going through at over 1m off expected value etc.

Seems a bit far fetched, but still there is something suss about the Cats. They are literally in the mix for every player, cap never seems to he an issue.

 

[Armoooo]

Yep, something like that. Saw some scandalous rumours on the Doggies site a few weeks back.

Impossible to prove, but allegations that Cats players are buying farms and getting free maintenance from some company connected to the Cats.

Also, some outrageous property sales for Cats going through at over 1m off expected value etc.

Seems a bit far fetched, but still there is something suss about the Cats. They are literally in the mix for every player, cap never seems to he an issue.

Looking at Geelong's list, apart from Cameron and Stewart is there really anyone else that should be on massive coin?

Even when they won their last flag it wasn't like they were absolutely overflowing with elite talent.

I don't think there cap looks any more under the pump than a lot of other clubs over recent years.

Maybe there's something to it, but I personally haven't seen anything that couldn't be more easily explained as a baseless internet rumour.

 

[phantom13]

Looking at Geelong's list, apart from Cameron and Stewart is there really anyone else that should be on massive coin?

Even when they won their last flag it wasn't like they were absolutely overflowing with elite talent.

I don't think there cap looks any more under the pump than a lot of other clubs over recent years.

Maybe there's something to it, but I personally haven't seen anything that couldn't be more easily explained as a baseless internet rumour.

Smith, SDK will need a bit, Henry left Collingwood as a hot young forward (his brother looked good too).

Stengle wanted a bit, Guthrie would still be on decent coin, Holmes, Bowes and Dempsey.

Geelongs strength is that outside of 2 absolute stars everyone else is good, all the guys listed would command 20-30% more than Geelong must be paying them on the open market minimum.

They dont leave because that deficit is being topped up elsewhere.

Think of it this way, Brandon Ellis go 700k a year to go to the GC, Richmond could only afford to offer him 400-450.

If that convo is about Geelong he would stay for a 50% off house and some abassador deal.

Alternately if Holmes doesnt get the perks is he staying for 300-400 a year less at Geelong than say North or GC?

 

[HeavenlySources]

Smith, SDK will need a bit, Henry left Collingwood as a hot young forward (his brother looked good too).

Stengle wanted a bit, Guthrie would still be on decent coin, Holmes, Bowes and Dempsey.

Geelongs strength is that outside of 2 absolute stars everyone else is good, all the guys listed would command 20-30% more than Geelong must be paying them on the open market minimum.

They dont leave because that deficit is being topped up elsewhere.

Think of it this way, Brandon Ellis go 700k a year to go to the GC, Richmond could only afford to offer him 400-450.

If that convo is about Geelong he would stay for a 50% off house and some abassador deal.

Alternately if Holmes doesnt get the perks is he staying for 300-400 a year less at Geelong than say North or GC?

Stengle supposedly took a $150k a year paycut to stay at Geelong..

 

[phantom13]

Stengle supposedly took a $150k a year paycut to stay at Geelong..

Thats the thing, they all do at the cattery. B grade stars can get more elsewhere (look at Battle) the cats just dont lose them.

Im pretty anti conspiracy theory but the whole Geelong set up, stories (for decades as well) and results cant be ignored.

I actually think its funny they did the whole Scott thing mere weeks after getting Smith (with the cotton on shit), the arrogance is hilarious.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Depends where they finish. If they're second last again they might take the pick 3.

We have to do our bit - and that’s make finals. Otherwise he may not have so much impetus to move. The guy has played in a basket case club his whole career so far, we have to prove we are not one too.

Over to you St. KFC.

( oops, see I’ve done a Sandra Sully, Pebbles)

 

[beside the seaside]

We have to do our bit - and that’s make finals. Otherwise he may not have so much impetus to move. The guy has played in a basket case club his whole career so far, we have to prove we are not one too.

Over to you St. KFC.

( oops, see I’ve done a Sandra Sully, Pebbles)

Exactly, the only way we are going to attract these guys is to look like a serious prospect. We need to make a leap this year, make finals at least and preferably win one.

 

[goodie23]

LDU will end up at the Cats. Don't ask me how, they will just get it done.

Pretty easy to cotton on to how they do it.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Outside of their cotton on partnership, it’s substantially cheaper to live along the bellarine than it is to live along the peninsula by comparison.

Money goes further, and lifestyle in infinity better down that way.

 

[L_W_P]

Pretty easy to cotton on to how they do it.

The constant development of the stadium being tied to the unions, the CFMEU, and the Calabrians certainly has nothing to do with it either.

Frank Costa definitely told them "No" and they took that on the chin and walked away...

 

[Premium]

Yep, something like that. Saw some scandalous rumours on the Doggies site a few weeks back.

Impossible to prove, but allegations that Cats players are buying farms and getting free maintenance from some company connected to the Cats.

Also, some outrageous property sales for Cats going through at over 1m off expected value etc.

Seems a bit far fetched, but still there is something suss about the Cats. They are literally in the mix for every player, cap never seems to he an issue.

Media has it that LDU is likely to stay at North and if he does go it would be to us they say.
The Cats are more likely to grab Oliver next season.
Star Free agents like LDU very rarely leave to go to another club because the club usually offers them close to what other teams offer.
Media has it we will be offering around 1.5m a season for him , however I hope they are looking at Brayshaw as well.-- both are free agents.

Next year looks like a big year with the club looking at securing that GWS midfielder as well.
Suppose it all hinges on how well we go this year , have a good year and our young guys perform it might attract some good talent to the club.