Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[Shinboner1]

I was as surprised as anyone when I first saw the claim, but turns out it is true.

Not playing AFL is the key, a development coaching role.

Fingers crossed its still on the books then.

 

[Farthers]

Saw this posted on reddit.

 

[The acurate one]

Saw this posted on reddit.

So al clarko gets 1.5 mil and five first rounders, not bad al, not bad

 

[gerry101101]

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We are indeed in the darkest timeline, Abed.

 

[Farthers]

Following on from yesterday.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=TAWEB_MRE170_a_RED&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theaustralian.com.au%2Fsport%2Fafl%2Fhawthorn-legend-don-scott-has-microphone-taken-away-from-him-during-hawks-agm%2Fnews-story%2F5e81e5666fdbb84ad7ce80f1b03600a9&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=GROUPB-Segment-2-NOSCORE&V21spcbehaviour=append

Hawthorn legend Don Scott had a microphone taken away from him after peppering president Andy Gowers with some pointed questions during the Hawks’ annual general meeting on Tuesday night.

Scott – a former director of the club – asked Gowers a range of questions about club finances, the Hawks cultural safety review and Gowers’ previous election commitments during question time at the meeting.

The questions were answered and the meeting was being wrapped up when Scott – who still held a microphone – persisted with further queries about the board.

A Hawthorn staff member at the meeting attempted to take a microphone from Scott, who refused to hand it over.

He went on to ask two further questions about board nominations and conflicts of interest among board members.

Gowers remained on stage and addressed Scott’s questions, before eventually ending the meeting.

“I’m happy to have a talk to you offline, Don,” Gowers said.

“I think we’re at the point now where we should wind it up.”

Earlier in the meeting, Gowers confirmed that Jeff Kennett would receive life membership of the club at the “right time” as the fallout from the Hawks’ cultural safety review drags into a third calendar year.

Kennett was not awarded life membership at Hawthorn’s annual general meeting on Tuesday night, despite Gowers acknowledging that he “well and truly qualified” for it after two previous stints as president from 2005-11 and 2017-22.

Kennett last month labelled the decision to delay his life membership as “silly”, but Gowers said that award would come down the track.

“Jeff has provided significant contribution to this club,” Gowers said at the club’s AGM.

“He has contributed a hell of a lot to this football club, and absolutely deserves life membership, which has been agreed to.

“But given the ongoing nature of the legal matters with the First Nations issue, it was also agreed that now is not the right time to award that. So it will be awarded at a time to be agreed, and we very much look forward to doing that.”

Kennett was part of the Hawks’ board which commissioned the cultural safety review into the experiences of past and present indigenous players and staff.

A group of players and families at the centre of that report lodged a complaint with the Australian Human Rights Commission against Hawthorn earlier this year, alleging that they “endured racism” at the club.

However, a hearing has not yet taken place.

“The Human Rights Commission is a matter that I think will start to be heard late January, maybe early February,” Gowers said.

“That has been unfortunately postponed. But we’re working our way through it as diligently as we can.

“There’s a lot of time and energy that is going into it – with very good reason – and we look forward to resolving things for all the parties involved as soon as we can.

“We’re doing everything in our powers to resolve this as fairly and as quickly as we possibly can.”

CHRIS CAVANAGH

 

[Samsquanch]

Earlier in the meeting, Gowers confirmed that Jeff Kennett would receive life membership of the club at the “right time” as the fallout from the Hawks’ cultural safety review drags into a third calendar year.

Well, that reeks. If now is "not the right time" then there will never be a right time unless the HRC finds that Hawthorne acted entirely in good faith, with integrity, honour and total honesty throughout the entire tenure of Kennett's presidency.

The words of Gowers, confirming that Jeff Kennett would receive life membership of the club at the “right time” satisfy my opinion that the club has decided that the only element of this shambles of their own creation that matters is the optics. They don't seem to care about the ethics in my opinion.

 

[LB2Snake]

Well, that reeks. If now is "not the right time" then there will never be a right time unless the HRC finds that Hawthorne acted entirely in good faith, with integrity, honour and total honesty throughout the entire tenure of Kennett's presidency.

The words of Gowers, confirming that Jeff Kennett would receive life membership of the club at the “right time” satisfy my opinion that the club has decided that the only element of this shambles of their own creation that matters is the optics. They don't seem to care about the ethics in my opinion.

Hawks would be on the podium for "Most Untrustworthy Club".

 

[Only Forwards]

They don't seem to care about the ethics in my opinion.

At no point did ethics enter into the review that they completed.

if they did due diligence on Phil Egan it failed to turn up anything about his fraud involvement
Phil Egan is the Cousin of Leon Egan, ie not independent
the timeframes of the review specifically exclude the time where Kennett was president, this includes excluding the time frame of his incident with the Rioli's that kicked the whole thing off.
The accused (Clarkson, Fagan, and Burt) all claim unreasonable time to respond/ lack of inclusion.

It seems to very much have been a dog and pony show. I mean the above seem to be pretty easy things to get right and they didn't.

 

[Grogg]

Since this whole story began, has any journo ever questioned the time parameters of the Kennett cultural safety review?

I'm going with never.

 

[LB2Snake]

Since this whole story began, has any journo ever questioned the time parameters of the Kennett cultural safety review?

I'm going with never.

Not that i can recall.....it's incredibly "odd" isn't it

 

[Samsquanch]

Not that i can recall.....it's incredibly "odd" isn't it

It is incredibly odd indeed until you consider the quality of the media and journalism in this country.

 

[The Nostradamus]

1.5mil from hawks

But he should be seeking double that from the abc and rusty jackson

 

[giantroo]

Revealed: The millions Hawks paid, put aside for First Nations probe

ByJake Niall
December 14, 2023 — 6.47pm


Hawthorn have budgeted to pay a total of more than $2.5 million in legal fees and potential payouts in the fallout from the investigation into alleged mistreatment of First Nations players and their families.

The Hawks have specified a potential cost of $1.5 million in the club’s 2023 annual report for what they say are legal and associated costs from the racism saga, having already spent more than $1m in legal fees since the scandal erupted in late 2022.

Thus, they have allowed for a total of more than $2.5m in payments for the investigation and subsequent fallout over two years.

The Hawks have counted that sum of $1.5m in the annual report under the heading of “provisions” – an estimate of what they might spend on legal fees and/or other costs. This includes settlements with either the players and partners affected, or the coaches and officials – headed by active senior coaches Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan. But Hawthorn believe legal costs would form the majority of any outlay.

Hawthorn have not paid out any of that $1.5m yet, but that potential liability is counted against the club’s bottom line. In their official financial statements, the Hawks also revealed a massive cost of $6,885,277 in “other expenses” – an increase of more than $3 million compared with 2022 ($3,851,230) in that item.


Hawthorn confirmed that this huge $3m increase in unspecified “other expenses” consisted of three factors: First, the legal costs (for the racism probe); second, the allocation of $1.5m for future legal bills or compensation; and third, the major increase in costs, post-COVID, of running the football club this year.

“It’s financially prudent and it’s for legal costs and expenses,” Hawthorn president Andy Gowers said of the $1.5 million allocated. Gowers said he and the Hawks did not know what they would end up spending on the First Nations investigation fallout. “It’s undetermined.”

Gowers was grilled by outspoken former skipper and club great Don Scott at the Hawthorn annual general meeting (AGM) on Tuesday night – including questions about the extra costs of $3 million and the provision of the $1.5 million, the cultural safety review and conflicts of interest among board members. Scott refused to relinquish the microphone when a staff member sought to take the microphone, having asked several questions.



Gowers had told the meeting that, at this stage, there was no commitment to compensate any of the parties affected by the racism investigation, which the AFL set up late in 2022 to address allegations made by First Nations players and their partners.

The allegations that first were reported by the ABC in grand final week of 2022, sparking the AFL inquiry, which ended without any adverse findings against Clarkson, Fagan or welfare manager Jason Burt, who had all strenuously denied any wrongdoing. Hawthorn’s handling of the matter is still subject to a separate AFL probe, the findings of which not have been completed.

Some of the former players and their current or former partners have taken the matter to the human rights commission, which is due to have a mediation process between parties early in 2024.

 

[The Brady Bunch]

At no point did ethics enter into the review that they completed.

if they did due diligence on Phil Egan it failed to turn up anything about his fraud involvement
Phil Egan is the Cousin of Leon Egan, ie not independent
the timeframes of the review specifically exclude the time where Kennett was president, this includes excluding the time frame of his incident with the Rioli's that kicked the whole thing off.
The accused (Clarkson, Fagan, and Burt) all claim unreasonable time to respond/ lack of inclusion.

It seems to very much have been a dog and pony show. I mean the above seem to be pretty easy things to get right and they didn't.

A point of order - the Hawthorn / Egan report at no stage offered Clarko, Fagan, and Burt the opportunity to respond. Their input was neither asked for nor wanted. When you mention unreasonable time to respond, you are talking about Russell Jackson's article.

 

[shinboner magic]

Bury em clarko

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Let’s do a review.

Let’s set the terms of reference for a specific time period when the worst of the issues are excluded.

Parliamentary level review.

 

[DuckYeah]

Let’s do a review.

Let’s set the terms of reference for a specific time period when the worst of the issues are excluded.

Parliamentary level review.

I dont think our club needs any more distractions

 

[Del191229]

Odds AFL drops their investigation into Hawthorn's handling of the review this fridsy

 

[gokangas]

Odds AFL drops their investigation into Hawthorn's handling of the review this fridsy

Wouldn't surprise but I am sure compo would still be paid to settle the restless.

 

[Hatchy1992]

Odds AFL drops their investigation into Hawthorn's handling of the review this fridsy

Why Friday just out of interest? Is there something in particular happening Friday?

 

[Del191229]

Why Friday just out of interest? Is there something in particular happening Friday?

It's last day before country shuts down til February

 

[Hatchy1992]

It's last day before country shuts down til February

I reckon this will drag on personally. Nothing but a major payday comes for Clarko though.

 

[Del191229]

Crying shame their coach is having to take extended leave just like ours did due to their toxic incompetence and bitterness.

The Footy Gods never miss.

 

[Del191229]

People disagreeing with my post should head off to Dingverley or wherever those arseholes are now and hang out with your poo and wee mates.

 

[Gumble Frankieton]

Crying shame their coach is having to take extended leave just like ours did due to their toxic incompetence and bitterness.

The Footy Gods never miss.

Heinrich Heine would have appreciated this post.