Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[Orange Peanut]

Where have we been in that time?

 

[danj]

AFAIK this is mediation ordered by the Fed Court no?

Will be interesting to see if Zwier keeps playing chicken - reckon it could get resolved here, but I've been wrong before.

Given we know the last mediation was good for Clarko, keen for this to go ahead as well.

No surprise (as I said) the Federal Court will take a dim view of what they would consider a waste of their time and resources, whoever doesn't fall into line and resolve this is going to be whacked with a very big stick by his honour, the lawyers all know this, Clarko just needs to either a/hand them the envelope with his terms (we don't believe Mr Clarkson is a racist and apologise in full for any such imputations BTW we are covering all his legal expenses) OR b/ wait until the 11th hour when Hawks and the other parties pull out drop proceedings and pay costs to all and sundry without admitting liability.

Either way I cannot see it making it beyond the outcome of this final mediation process.

 

[gerry101101]

It was widely reported and acknowledged that the grand sum of Chris Fagan's culpability is that he is alleged to have nodded once in a meeting. If you can't recognise false equivalence here, then your capacity for discernment is seriously wanting.

Zinedene Zidane once nodded in his workplace and it almost cost him a World Cup.

 

[NewkTheLot]

Heads up, Hawthorn lodged its defence yesterday. Not published by the court yet but expect the media vultures to be all over it early next week

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Heads up, Hawthorn lodged its defence yesterday. Not published by the court yet but expect the media vultures to be all over it early next week

Well timed. The ones who are paid to be journalists all clocked off on Monday afternoon. All that's left behind are the interns who volunteer to cover trade week.

 

[Luke72]

Well timed. The ones who are paid to be journalists all clocked off on Monday afternoon. All that's left behind are the interns who volunteer to cover trade week.

If they have to listen to Trade Radio I can understand why they’d make the interns do it.

 

[Del191229]

Heads up, Hawthorn lodged its defence yesterday. Not published by the court yet but expect the media vultures to be all over it early next week

Thanks for the tip, appreciated

 

[giantroo]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hawthorn-hits-back-in-federal-court-over-afl-racism-row/news-story/d6391afda453fe730ce52ebf581ad2d7

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Hawthorn hits back with explosive Carl Peterson claims in AFL racism row​

Hawthorn has sensationally claimed alleged racism victim Carl Peterson appeared drug or alcohol affected when picked up at Melbourne Airport in a scathing defence lodged with the Federal Court on Thursday.
Michael Warner and Miles Proust

3 min read
October 10, 2024 - 1:39PM

Carl Peterson in action for the Hawks. Picture: Colleen Petch

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Hawthorn has sensationally claimed that alleged racism victim Carl Peterson was incoherent and appeared affected by drugs or alcohol when he was picked up by a club official at Melbourne Airport after a flight from Perth.

The club also rejected Peterson’s allegation that former Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson had told him in a 2009 meeting to “break up” with his partner and added “tell her to terminate the pregnancy”.

More than two years after the Hawks racism scandal broke, lawyers for the club have made a series of new claims in a scathing Federal Court document on Thursday.

After returning from Perth during the VFL mid-season break in June 2009, Hawthorn alleges Peterson was picked up at Melbourne Airport by then development coach David Flood.

In addition to being incoherent and under the influence, the documents allege Peterson told Flood he had no money in his bank account and had lost his clothing.



Peterson was delisted in October the following year after former Hawks staffer Jason Burt was allegedly informed Peterson had used marijuana in the week leading up to an elimination final in Perth.

The documents state Peterson was removed from the elimination final team and later received counselling through the AFL Players’ Association.

Hawthorn premiership legend Cyril Rioli is the lead applicant in a Federal Court action in which former Hawks figures and their partners – Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, Peterson, Jermaine Miller-Lewis, Montanah-Rae Lewis and Leon Egan – are seeking damages, aggravated damages and apologies from the club.

The document makes allegations against plaintiffs Jermaine Miller-Lewis, who was 18 when he was drafted as a rookie to Hawthorn in 2014, and his partner Montanah-Rae Lewis.

In December 2017, Hawthorn’s club doctor allegedly referred Miller-Lewis to a private facility, the Blackwood River Clinic, for drug rehabilitation and mental health treatment after a request by his partner for assistance.

In early January 2018, Miller-Lewis allegedly failed to attend his admission appointment to the clinic.

Hawthorn claims it arranged for the AFL Players Association to make hardship payments of $3000 to the couple’s rental account and $2500 to their private health insurance fund.

At Lewis’ request, the documents allege the payments were not disclosed to Miller-Lewis.

The Hawks admitted four-time premiership player Grant Birchall

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asked Indigenous teammate Bradley Hill if his partner was also a “boong” at the end of 2013 season.

The incident was first detailed in the players’ statement of claim, which alleged the Hawks did not take any action.
But the club claims the comment was overheard by Jarryd Roughhead, who was part of the team’s leadership and told Birchall it was offensive and totally inappropriate.

The documents state Roughhead comforted Hill and facilitated an apology from Birchall, with the incident with dealt on the spot and no further issues arising between the pair.

Hawthorn premiership legend Cyril Rioli is the lead applicant in a Federal Court action. Picture: AFL Media/Getty Images

In a statement of claim lodged in July, Rioli accused Alistair Clarkson of calling him “Humphrey B Bear” throughout his time at Hawthorn and “thereby associated Mr Rioli with a black bear and chose to publicly refer to him in that way”.

But the Hawks also allege Rioli’s claim was “an abuse of process” because of a deed of settlement he had entered with the club and league following his retirement in July 2018.

“(Rioli) unconditionally releases and discharges the Club and the AFL, their Related Entities and their associates, directors, employees, servants, shareholders, agents, assigns and insurers from all Claims,” the deed allegedly stated.

The AFL launched an “independent” inquiry into the Hawthorn racism claims in September 2022, which ended eight months later with “no adverse findings” made against Clarkson, former Hawks football boss Chris Fagan or club welfare chief Jason Burt.

Fagan was accused of “nodding his head” at the 2009 meeting in which Clarkson allegedly told Peterson to terminate his partner’s pregnancy.

Clarkson, now senior coach at North Melbourne, Fagan, this year’s premiership coach at Brisbane, and Burt have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

Mediation between the players and former Hawthorn figures has failed to reach a resolution.

In May this year, the Herald Sun revealed two secret reports commissioned by the AFL into the Hawthorn racism scandal found “a startling lack of evidence” in the cases alleged against the trio.

The separate reports, authored by a retired Federal Court judge and a top city law firm, concluded that the gravest allegation – that an Indigenous player and his partner were pressured to terminate a pregnancy – could not be substantiated.

A claim that the Hawks had demanded the separation of another First Nations family for the sake of the player’s career was also considered to be “lacking in evidence”.

The two reports – one by Justice John Middleton and the other by Gordon Legal – found that there was “no basis whatsoever” to support suggestions a subculture of racism had existed at Hawthorn or that the three accused club officials had behaved in anything other than a “caring” way for their players.

The AFL Commission relied upon the reports to terminate the four-person independent investigation panel led by Bernard Quinn KC, which had failed to make any findings eight months after being established following the leaking of the Hawthorn “cultural safety review” in grand final week 2022.

 

[Del191229]

Wonder when the whole defence gets published - it was always going to come down to this.

 

[the big lebowski]

Wonder when the whole defence gets published - it was always going to come down to this.

I’m not holding my breath. Even when the defence claims are published, they still spend more time writing about the players claims.

 

[Grogg]

Pissweak article from the Herald Sun. Two sentences of new information. 2.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Pissweak article from the Herald Sun. Two sentences of new information. 2.

2 more than usual

 

[andana]

Pissweak article from the Herald Sun. Two sentences of new information. 2.

Quiet news day.
No trades.
Got a paper to print

 

[NewkTheLot]

Wonder when the whole defence gets published - it was always going to come down to this.

Defence

 

[Grogg]

Defence

Thanks for that

 

[Del191229]

Defence

Thank you!

 

[Del191229]

Pissweak article from the Herald Sun. Two sentences of new information. 2.

Nah they will have been briefed with a juicy morsel to splash with here before going through the whole thing for bigger yarn later.

Hawthorn's media guy is one of the old Dan Andrews spinners - they are very good operators.

 

[Flawed Genius]

A lot of - towards the end - WTTE of "if this conduct was done (which we deny) it wasn't as a result of official duties of Hawthorn"

 

[andana]

A lot of - towards the end - WTTE of "if this conduct was done (which we deny) it wasn't as a result of official duties of Hawthorn"

Hawthorn separating itself from individuals

 

[andana]

Defence

Reading that makes me think Rioli etc have been given wrong advice about how they approached this.
Could have started out with Kate Eastman or someone similar.

 

[Orange Peanut]

After hearing from well-sourced posters on here that Cyril was on the cusp of joining North when Clarko came on board; it's jarring to read that he felt racially vilified by him as a player.

 

[Del191229]

From around February 2009, Rotumah contacted Burt from time to time in respect of her inability to contact Peterson and her concerns in respect of Peterson’s continued drug use and behaviour;

Oh man it sucks that it came to this but was also inevitable imo

 

[Del191229]

(x) in October 2010, Peterson was delisted after the following events:

(i) Peterson was with the Hawthorn team in Perth for an elimination final when Rotumah informed Burt that Peterson had taken marijuana earlier in the week;

(ii) by reason of the matters in

(i), Peterson was removed from the elimination final team;

Jesus jiggity shitballs ...

 

[tazaa]

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/hawthorn-hits-back-in-federal-court-over-afl-racism-row/news-story/d6391afda453fe730ce52ebf581ad2d7

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Hawthorn hits back with explosive Carl Peterson claims in AFL racism row​

Hawthorn has sensationally claimed that alleged racism victim Carl Peterson was incoherent and appeared affected by drugs or alcohol when he was picked up at Melbourne Airport.
Michael Warner and Miles Proust

2 min read
October 10, 2024 - 11:09AM

Alastair Clarkson and Chris Fagan in their Hawthorn days. Picture: Picture: AFL Media

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Hawthorn has sensationally claimed that alleged racism victim Carl Peterson was incoherent and appeared affected by drugs or alcohol when he was picked up by a club official at Melbourne Airport after a flight from Perth.

He also allegedly told David Flood, the Hawks’ then development coach, that he had no money in his bank account and lost his clothing.

More than two years after the Hawks racism scandal broke, lawyers for the club have made the explosive claims in a scathing Federal Court document on Thursday.

Hawthorn premiership legend Cyril Rioli is the lead applicant in a Federal Court action in which five former Hawks figures and their partners – Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, Peterson, Jermaine Miller-Lewis, Montanah-Rae Lewis and Leon Egan – are seeking damages, aggravated damages and apologies from the club.

Carl Peterson in action for the Hawks.

In a statement of claim lodged in July, Rioli accused Alistair Clarkson of calling him “Humphrey B Bear” throughout his time at Hawthorn and “thereby associated Mr Rioli with a black bear and chose to publicly refer to him in that way”.

The AFL launched an “independent” inquiry into the Hawthorn racism claims in September 2022, which ended eight months later with “no adverse findings” made against Clarkson, former Hawks football boss Chris Fagan or club welfare chief Jason Burt.

Fagan was accused of “nodding his head” during the alleged Clarkson discussion with Peterson.

Clarkson, now senior coach at North Melbourne, Fagan, this year’s premiership coach at Brisbane, and Burt have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.

Mediation between the players and former Hawthorn figures has failed to reach a resolution.

In May this year, the Herald Sun revealed two secret reports commissioned by the AFL into the Hawthorn racism scandal found “a startling lack of evidence” in the cases alleged against the trio.

Hawthorn premiership legend Cyril Rioli is the lead applicant in a Federal Court action. Picture: AFL Media/Getty Images

The separate reports, authored by a retired Federal Court judge and a top city law firm, concluded that the gravest allegation – that an Indigenous player and his partner were pressured to terminate a pregnancy – could not be substantiated.

A claim that the Hawks had demanded the separation of another First Nations family for the sake of the player’s career was also considered to be “lacking in evidence”.

The two reports – one by Justice John Middleton and the other by Gordon Legal – found that there was “no basis whatsoever” to support suggestions a sub-culture of racism had existed at Hawthorn or that the three accused club officials had behaved in anything other than a “caring” way for their players.

The AFL Commission relied upon the reports to terminate the four-person independent investigation panel led by Bernard Quinn KC, which had failed to make any findings eight months after being established following the leaking of the Hawthorn “cultural safety review” in grand final week 2022.
More to come

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/thre...fc-racism-investigation.1327100/post-76875654
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Some context.
Carl Peterson came into Telstra Northland in 2010 for the sole purpose of getting a new phone and number.
Was pretty upbeat, very jovial and spoke of the benefits of being an AFL footballer. Said he was speaking to two or three birds constantly and was putting away a couple of them.
Also said his mrs was pregnant and doing his head in and that Clarko trains them hard as a group”

Cyril aside I can’t take Egan’s cousin or Carl Peterson seriously in this case.

The whole investigation IMO was a gotcha process to try and get dirt on Clarko and co.
The fact that Kennett isn’t even accused of anything is laughable.

With Peterson being one of the players, his participation raises some serious eyebrows and gives the whole saga a good dose of illegitimacy.
The man’s an ice addict, a grub and has zero credibility.

Peterson was always going to be found out.

 

[Black Diamond]

After hearing from well-sourced posters on here that Cyril was on the cusp of joining North when Clarko came on board; it's jarring to read that he felt racially vilified by him as a player.

Rioli was going to come out if a 6 year retirement? Colour me doubtful.