Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[the big lebowski]

So now I’m totally confused - what exactly is the agenda.
Is it to claim an individual scalp - appears now that’s not the case. Is it to seek industry wide change - you would think so and that this should have been the approach from the start. Or do they also want monetary compensation. I really can’t follow what these families are being advised by their lawyers. If this is now the approach why did they speak to Jackson in the first place. The saving grace here is now the accused will put their story potentially without fear of reprisal. But who knows really what happens now………..

I think they’ll now be able to mediate the hawthorn stuff, with findings inline with what they want from the overall review. Cultural differences, policy change etc. they’ll get compensated and be the start of real change.

 

[Del191229]

Except for the part where they want the AFL to independently investigate itself. Sounds awfully familiar to what we have now with this, which apparently isn't good enough. The AFL isn't going to have an acceptable proccess in place for a league wide review before this current investigation is supposed to start, so what happens then? To me this feels like a soft exit, as compared to Amy's hard one.

Don't get me wrong, I've wanted (and still want) the AFL to look into player welfare league wide and approach it from a systems point of view rather than an individuals one, but the cynic in me is absolutely screaming right now.

Sounds like they just want an AFL commitment to it rather than it up and running before they take part.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

I think they’ll now be able to mediate the hawthorn stuff, with findings inline with what they want from the overall review. Cultural differences, policy change etc. they’ll get compensated and be the start of real change.

Yeah that’s the way I see it but gee they’ve gone the long way around about achieving that.

 

[ferball]

So pretty much it just boils down to this:

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Yep.

Your entire life ... or at least what you think you remember of it.

 

[blackshadow]

I think they’ll now be able to mediate the hawthorn stuff, with findings inline with what they want from the overall review. Cultural differences, policy change etc. they’ll get compensated and be the start of real change.

Agreed.

It still doesn't do anything to restore the reputation trashing Clarkson and Fagan have copped as a result of the Jackson article. I wonder if he'll be called to account.

 

[the big lebowski]

Yeah that’s the way I see it but gee they’ve gone the long way around about achieving that.

To be honest, I can almost gauruntee the panel would have recommended something like this to the afl anyway

 

[Del191229]

I like this approach. I don't think that they are going to have much to stick to individuals but they want to improve the overall situation, which I think most reasonable people can agree with.

I also think with Amy and Ian's forced abortion claim off the table, everything there can be properly discussed and explained.

It's the kind of stuff Clarkson can put his hand up and own and say yes I got that wrong, and I learned from it and when Jarman Impey or Chad Wingard were in a similar situation a few years ago we did it very differently.

Also gives us a club the chance to lead. We can say we'll pilot the program for the league etc

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

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Seems fair

 

[Del191229]

So now I’m totally confused - what exactly is the agenda.
Is it to claim an individual scalp - appears now that’s not the case. Is it to seek industry wide change - you would think so and that this should have been the approach from the start. Or do they also want monetary compensation. I really can’t follow what these families are being advised by their lawyers. If this is now the approach why did they speak to Jackson in the first place. The saving grace here is now the accused will put their story potentially without fear of reprisal. But who knows really what happens now………..

Tbh what happens now is what always should have happened and probably would have had Rusty run not around screaming the forced abortion bullshit

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I feel like the broader AFL review was coming regardless.

They were just dealing with the situation they had info on first before launching into something bigger.

The other families have always felt a bit apart from Amy* and her tale, and this further reinforces that divide.

 

[Shinboner1]

So now I’m totally confused - what exactly is the agenda.
Is it to claim an individual scalp - appears now that’s not the case. Is it to seek industry wide change - you would think so and that this should have been the approach from the start. Or do they also want monetary compensation. I really can’t follow what these families are being advised by their lawyers. If this is now the approach why did they speak to Jackson in the first place. The saving grace here is now the accused will put their story potentially without fear of reprisal. But who knows really what happens now………..

Because they've been found out and now scrambling to keep relevant

 

[ferball]

Not exactly. The opposite in fact. The point is that truth is often subjective - and that's without bringing time, trauma, drugs, age or whatever other outside factors into it. George was full of s**t and knew it.

Its more because you believe it it becomes the truth.

Usually you believe it because you've told the story to yourself time and time again and don't notice the little chnges you remember were always there.

This applies to everyone in this little saga - Ian, Amy even Clarko.

 

[JGreezy]

I also think with Amy and Ian's forced abortion claim off the table, everything there can be properly discussed and explained.

It's the kind of stuff Clarkson can put his hand up and own and say yes I got that wrong, and I learned from it and when Jarman Impey or Chad Wingard were in a similar situation a few years ago we did it very differently.

Also gives us a club the chance to lead. We can say we'll pilot the program for the league etc

Based on his first interview it sounded like Clarkson was keen to lead the way in that regard, already. So I'm sure that won't be a problem.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

Tbh what happens now is what always should have happened and probably would have had Rusty run not around screaming the forced abortion bullshit

Yep exactly.

 

[justroyal]

ok so Amy will tell her side of events without apprehension if the AFL decide to go with their suggestion?

 

[Orange Peanut]

" Mrs. Smith and her night shift working husband moved in next door last weekend. She was much younger than him with long hair to her waist and........"

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

ok so Amy will tell her side of events without apprehension if the AFL decide to go with their suggestion?

It appears she won’t participate regardless which does make you think about her allegations………….

 

[JGreezy]

ok so Amy will tell her side of events without apprehension if the AFL decide to go with their suggestion?

I don't think so. But her story isn't hugely important to the findings, if "Ian" is telling it first hand.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

So … I know I’ve been pretty strong on the innocence of Clarko and Fagan - and I do apologize if I’ve gone on a bit about it. But surely this means now apart from the mud that’s stuck both these guys can now coach on without fear of reprisal. Someone with more sense than me …….can you confirm?
And finally I really really hope this does now bring about industry change - as I’m sure everyone does.

 

[Psicosis]

Man Gill is gonna be so pissed at that letter

He’s already filthy at Hawthorn for how they managed this. Fair to say this latest update will have ruined his weekend.

 

[justroyal]

I don't think so. But her story isn't hugely important to the findings, if "Ian" is telling it first hand.

So basically, where we stand, if the AFL unreservedly apologise or acknowledge their past actions - am I wrong in assuming that this will probably transpire it a series of compensation hearings?
There are so many bigger issues at hand rather than ‘acknowledging’ they didn’t have a good grasp on it in the past. (Like getting people help who have been victimised or have suffered mental health side effects from this)

I feel like the AFL has addressed it’s flaws on numerous times since the Goodes saga and the Eddie Betts stuff, that they indeed are trying to do better?

 

[JGreezy]

So … I know I’ve been pretty strong on the innocence of Clarko and Fagan - and I do apologize if I’ve gone on a bit about it. But surely this means now apart from the mud that’s stuck both these guys can now coach on without fear of reprisal. Someone with more sense than me …….can you confirm?
And finally I really really hope this does now bring about industry change - as I’m sure everyone does.

If they can present evidence or a compelling enough argument where it is he said/she said then this would give a more clear path where the individuals can be cleared, the club pays out and the AFL makes change rather than looking like sweeping it under the rug.

But, if they don't have a good argument then they are still ****ed.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

If they can present evidence or a compelling enough argument where it is he said/she said then this would give a more clear path where the individuals can be cleared, the club pays out and the AFL makes change rather than looking like sweeping it under the rug.

But, if they don't have a good argument then they are still ****ed.

Thanks - Right so on that basis I’m 100% confident then as clearly based on what I know then Clarkson and Fagan will have very very very good cases to present.

 

[Duncan Idaho]

So … I know I’ve been pretty strong on the innocence of Clarko and Fagan - and I do apologize if I’ve gone on a bit about it. But surely this means now apart from the mud that’s stuck both these guys can now coach on without fear of reprisal. Someone with more sense than me …….can you confirm?
And finally I really really hope this does now bring about industry change - as I’m sure everyone does.

Looks like if the afl agrees to another review into the league as a whole the players will participate. If not they won't but the current investigation would go ahead anyway; I don't think it changes much for Clarkson and Fagan at this stage

 

[SmallRoo]

So … I know I’ve been pretty strong on the innocence of Clarko and Fagan - and I do apologize if I’ve gone on a bit about it. But surely this means now apart from the mud that’s stuck both these guys can now coach on without fear of reprisal. Someone with more sense than me …….can you confirm?
And finally I really really hope this does now bring about industry change - as I’m sure everyone does.

I’m not sure what more can be done. I’m pretty sure every club already has a full time Indigenous Liaison officer. There’s so many initiatives and protective measures already within the AFL. I think it’s silly to just keep asking for more and more resources. Times have changed.