Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[Roo096]

I am just wondering what card to send Egan
1.Get well card
2.Merry Christmas
3.Bon voyage

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Interesting, hey?

When the initial story broke, none of the papers gave 2 shits about whether it was actually true, it was all reported as fact and dragged the accused through the mud before they'd had right of reply.

Yet in this article, they've gone out of their way to include:

"LOOK! WE'RE NOT SAYING AT ALL THIS ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHATSOEVER, WE'RE JUST SAYING ITS BEING INVESTIGATED"

 

[Samsquanch]

I am just wondering what card to send Egan
1.Get well card
2.Merry Christmas
3.Bon voyage

 

[andana]

I am just wondering what card to send Egan
1.Get well card
2.Merry Christmas
3.Bon voyage

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[Kangaroos techno]

Waiting for the North Board's moral compass to come crawling back. Clarko is waiting for his apology...

 

[Devington]

The allegations certainly cast a bit of doubt on the report, and even the contents of the deposition if you're conspiratorially minded. I'm not sure it is a 'gamechanger' though. But it's conceivably the first domino to fall, or at the very least is the type of thing that might see Clarko and Fagan's reps be a little less muddy if this goes down the "he said, she said, we shrugged" route.

 

[Snojet]

One of our own posted here that the guy basically tried to shake him down once when he was called in as a mediator for a workplace or ordering dispute. That tidbit never left my mind.

Yep. When I had to deal with him he certainly didn’t impress me as a fair minded mediator.
Now this story only reinforces my thoughts about him at the time.
Free Clarko!

 

[big_e]

The official investigation has started (though it is already behind it's own schedule).

Nothing is done on time when people are being paid by the hour.

 

[Roos1991]

Hawks racism report author Phil Egan facing fraud probe​

The man who authored the Hawthorn racism report could face criminal charges in a major twist that has been described as a potential “game-changer” in the damaging saga.

Michael Warner, Jon Kaila and Mark Buttler

December 21, 2022 - 4:29PM

The author of the explosive Hawthorn racism report could face criminal charges for allegedly stealing from a body set up to help Indigenous communities, in a major twist in the damaging AFL saga.

Victoria Police detectives have been investigating former Richmond forward Phil Egan for several months over claims he fraudulently obtained hundreds of thousands of dollars from Murray Valley Aboriginal Cooperative, including through a bogus invoices scheme.

“Detectives from the Financial Crime Squad are investigating a number of allegations of fraud relating to the management of a Robinvale-based organisation,” a Victoria Police spokesperson confirmed.

The Herald Sun is not suggesting the allegations are true, only that they are being investigated.

Any charges against Egan could have a significant impact on the ongoing AFL-commissioned independent investigation into the Hawks report’s conclusions and processes.

Egan’s damning report on Hawthorn’s handling of Indigenous players rocked the football world when it was partially, then fully, leaked in September.

The report concluded that between 2010 and 2016, Alastair Clarkson, Chris Fagan and Jason Burt used “bullying and intimidation” against Indigenous players and their partners, two of whom had been pregnant and lost their unborn children during the “traumatic events”.

It described some incidents as so serious as “to amount to human rights abuses”, triggering Clarkson and Fagan to temporarily stand down from their senior coach roles at North Melbourne and Brisbane Lions, despite both categorically denying any wrongdoing. Burt has also denied the allegations.

The Herald Sun can now reveal that Egan has been accused of masterminding payments from MVAC to unqualified contractors, who later transferred funds to his personal bank account.

The alleged frauds are understood to have taken place around 2010-2012, during which time Egan was a senior manager at the co-operative, including chief executive for a period.

A police spokesperson yesterday said: “No one has been charged in relation to the matter and the investigation remains ongoing. Anyone with information is urged to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000 or submit a confidential report at www.crimestoppers.com.au.”

A lawyer for one of the Hawks officials accused of racism said the development could be a “game-changer”.

“Storm clouds are gathering over the integrity of the Hawthorn FC-commissioned report,” the lawyer said.

“If Mr Egan is proved to have engaged in serious wrongdoing, such as to have harmed his own First Nations’ community by the removal of funds, what confidence can anyone have in any investigation process he has managed?

“If fraud charges are laid, it is a game changer and will place the panel process under enormous pressure.

“The panel has published terms of reference to include a review of Binmada (Mr Egan’s company) and Mr Egan and its/his involvement in the Hawthorn FC review.”

MVAC is a not-for-profit organisation providing a range of services including childcare, healthcare, housing and aged care for Aboriginal people in the Robinvale area.

Established in 1974 to improve the community’s conditions and expectations, it receives funding from government and charities.

Bit farfetched to suggest that the report could be thrown out based on Eagan's alleged mismanaged of a cooperative. Lawyer for one of the accused quoted there is being creative. Whether Eagan mismanaged funds or not is a separate matter to the investigation and a separate matter to subsequent statements made by potential victims which corroborate the accounts outlined in the report. To focus on that separate issue is an easy diversionary tactic and won't clear anyone's names or result in a safer industry for First Nations.

 

[Devington]

Bit farfetched to suggest that the report could be thrown out based on Eagan's alleged mismanaged of a cooperative. Lawyer for one of the accused quoted there is being creative. Whether Eagan mismanaged funds or not is a separate matter to the investigation and a separate matter to subsequent statements made by potential victims which corroborate the accounts outlined in the report. To focus on that separate issue is an easy diversionary tactic and won't clear anyone's names or result in a safer industry for First Nations.

It's the parallels that are interesting.

He's alleged to have committed fraud to earn other people money and get a kickback for his efforts.

Then he's authored a (shoddy) report where one of the main recommendations is reparations for some of the complainants.

It's hardly a good thing for him or the complainants, even if that's only on the PR front.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Well, his credibility has plummeted right down the shitter.

 

[czero]

I'm sure there's a very good reason why so many reviews of club and football department operations are contracted out to large professional audit and tax advisory firms even though they seem to be far removed from football expertise. What they do have is legal backing, water tight non disclosure agreements, and clear ethical practices to avoid conflicts of interest or any possibility that the investigator might collude with subjects at the expense of the client. Hawthorn really appear to have ****ed the pooch when they engaged this bloke.

Well, this wasn't just a normal situation. As I mentioned before (like probably many clarkson threads before - sorry), the way he was selected is pretty hazy and has a few flags - initial contact by the club never included him and he wasn't part of the process whatsoever, when the hawks sent out for feedback no one responded apparently. Then a bit later suddenly he pops up in what seems to be a suggestion (in his words I believe) by some of the people who were sent the email as that he should be involved, and he drove this process and made it essentially about collecting the type of stuff that we all heard from the media.

Now did he get contacted by someone who was part of that mail out and did the rounds thinking 'hey I might be able to hit some big bucks here' and got people on side? Perhaps get people to tell whatever story they could muster and encourage them with promises of compensation money (which he recommended in his report of course)? I don't know. What I do know if that he is linked to the main lawyer that is running the case for that side through his business partner. We also know know he is being accused of the kind of financial fraud that would line up with doing that kind of disgusting behaviour.

Again, not saying he did any of that, but I am very glad its being investigated. At least we will know why he reached out to just a single hawthorn staff who would back up the claims and no-one else, because so much of that reeks of a really compromised process.

 

[Shinboner1]

Surely this is over now?

 

[Shermanator]

Phil Egan = The his boots with taxpayers money..

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Bit farfetched to suggest that the report could be thrown out based on Eagan's alleged mismanaged of a cooperative. Lawyer for one of the accused quoted there is being creative. Whether Eagan mismanaged funds or not is a separate matter to the investigation and a separate matter to subsequent statements made by potential victims which corroborate the accounts outlined in the report. To focus on that separate issue is an easy diversionary tactic and won't clear anyone's names or result in a safer industry for First Nations.

Of course you are right, this story in and of itself does not bring the Hawthorn saga to an end. What it does though is stop Egan's advocacy on behalf of the alleged victims. He no longer has any authority to speak on their behalf, to make claims of human rights violations, or to demand restitution. To paraphrase Spudface Dutton, the member will no longer be heard.

 

[dus]

Lol.

Suck shit campaigner.

 

[Frank Thring]

At least the obvious motive has been revealed

 

[StiffArm]

Mate there's a lot of shitmen making coffee at cafes though.

It's bloody hard to find one that actually puts love into it. My fav has moved on unfortunately, so I tried a new place, and it was s**t and bought another one with three shots.

" No one has three shots", " well they do when the coffee tastes like sweaty old balls". Or what I imagine sweaty old balls taste like.

Left the place with mouths agape.

oh well as we say.

There are other ways to get protein TAO.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Bit farfetched to suggest that the report could be thrown out based on Eagan's alleged mismanaged of a cooperative. Lawyer for one of the accused quoted there is being creative. Whether Eagan mismanaged funds or not is a separate matter to the investigation and a separate matter to subsequent statements made by potential victims which corroborate the accounts outlined in the report. To focus on that separate issue is an easy diversionary tactic and won't clear anyone's names or result in a safer industry for First Nations.

Agree with this. Any reflection on Egan‘s history and character that could come out of this investigation doesn‘t mitigate or remove the weight of the allegations that have been made against Hawthorn officials. I feel the lawyer is being mischievous and unhelpful saying that this changes the game. It’s like an easy out, suggesting it could prevent the substantial issues being investigated and addressed, and feeds the narrative that the AFL will always avoid serious inspection if it can find a way.

 

[blackshadow]

Agree with this. Any reflection on Egan‘s history and character that could come out of this investigation doesn‘t mitigate or remove the weight of the allegations that have been made against Hawthorn officials. I feel the lawyer is being mischievous and unhelpful saying that this changes the game. It’s like an easy out, suggesting it could prevent the substantial issues being investigated and addressed, and feeds the narrative that the AFL will always avoid serious inspection if it can find a way.

I can see anything in the Egan report being ignored by the AFL investigation and that the AFL investigation will only consider any allegations from those cooperating with the investigation.

 

[The acurate one]

Oh old mate did state Al Clarko is in a good space all things considered.

As someone who has been through similar or allegations that weren’t true. Yeah I do believe all those that have been accused fwiw.

Once you get your head around it, think back amd work fwd.

Put together your truth, it is easier to deal with .

Not saying al Clarko was perfect cause he ain’t

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Agree with this. Any reflection on Egan‘s history and character that could come out of this investigation doesn‘t mitigate or remove the weight of the allegations that have been made against Hawthorn officials. I feel the lawyer is being mischievous and unhelpful saying that this changes the game. It’s like an easy out, suggesting it could prevent the substantial issues being investigated and addressed, and feeds the narrative that the AFL will always avoid serious inspection if it can find a way.

I can see anything in the Egan report being ignored by the AFL investigation and that the AFL investigation will only consider any allegations from those cooperating with the investigation.

I think both of you are correct. This damages Egan and his report but it doesn't nullify the allegations as long as the alleged victims are prepared to repeat their claims before the independent investigation panel. But if there is any possibility that Egan has coaxed statements out of people with the aim to seek gain for himself through commission on compensation claims, then those statements, and obviously his recommendations for reparations to the victims should be disregarded.

 

[Tas]

If found guilty of fraud his report may as well be toilet paper.

Toilet paper has value.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Toilet paper has value.

Wasn't 18 months ago I was punching on with teenage slags in Woolies just to secure a six pack of Kleenex.

 

[Samsquanch]

Toilet paper has value.

Wasn't 18 months ago I was punching on with teenage slags in Woolies just to secure a six pack of Kleenex.

It takes 2 wipes to realise you need 3 – but 3 wipes to realise you only needed 2.