Unsophisticated insights are his bread and butter.Very simplistic way of looking at it
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Unsophisticated insights are his bread and butter.Very simplistic way of looking at it
The team is better because of a new Coaching Panel and Game plan - not because of Grundy’s absence.Yeah I’m a strange person who sees winning as more important than SuperCoach points…
The fact a team gets better without their highest paid player says a lot about what that player brings to the team. You might see it here and there, but 11 straight wins against top and bottom opposition is hard to argue that we’re not stronger without him.
Yet still some continue to…
Contract value is a seperate debate i.e. benefit versus cost.Yeah I’m a strange person who sees winning as more important than SuperCoach points…
The fact a team gets better without their highest paid player says a lot about what that player brings to the team. You might see it here and there, but 11 straight wins against top and bottom opposition is hard to argue that we’re not stronger without him.
Yet still some continue to…
When you're strangeAgree with this.
hx 36, Would it be fair to say the current footy department etc are not so enthused with the deal and does a trade look like a done thing?But seriously, I don't think it's possible for strained dealings to end with a 7 year, million bucks a year contract.
If your employer told you you weren’t wanted, and another employer would pay you the same salary, to do the same job, what would you do?Would it be fair to say the current footy department etc are not so enthused and does it look like a done thing?
I appreciate at the end of the day Grundy has a contract & can simply say no.
Your guess is as good as mine. But I'm guessing he's going.hx 36, Would it be fair to say the current footy department etc are not so enthused with the deal and does a trade look like a done thing?
I appreciate at the end of the day Grundy has a contract & can simply say no.
I know it's nearly a century ago but just a random fact.With the caveat that it is always hearsay, as we dont actually know what happened, the information in the media suggested Adelaide made a very big play, and we essentially matched the terms Adelaide were offering in order to keep him, or close enough.
The impression was definitely that his manager went hard - I guess getting a grandfather offer from another club can happen, but I would have thought it would be rare to push for matching terms from the incumbent club. Clubs always have to offer overs to get movement, so as an incumbent I'd always be starting from the assumption that 75-80% of their offer should get it done unless the player is totally focussed on the financials.
That said, we had options. Frankly if Grundy/Grundy's manager came and said, this or he walks, Id be carefully explaining that at Collingwood its about team success and thats the price of wearing the jumper. Paying that much for a ruck, which is in the end one position where good enough can be found for not much, and the added benefit from exceptional is marginal, is nuts. The only positions Id consider that money for are an elite KPF/KPB or an elite clearance inside/outside mid. Paying that much for a ruck unbalances your list in ways that * over the whole team, and Id make that point forcefully to the manager and player in question, and say that we here arent prepared to do that. So unfortunately, if those are your terms, we would be happy to facilitate a trade to the club of your choice on appropriate terms for Collingwood.
Why we didnt do that I dont know. I have a nasty suspicion there was some ego, some hubris, and some Ed in there. The problem being then if you have no walk away position for ego reasons, you will be taken to the wall by a hard negotiator.
I know it's nearly a century ago but just a random fact.
Back in the day when Collingwood ruled the VFL for about 15 years EVERY PLAYER was paid equal.
Without exception.
That was at a time when teams were TEAMS not collections of 'stars'.
Football salaries are out of control because player managers have the whip hand - and the more their player gets paid the more commission the player managers get.
It's fine to attack the stars for the money they earn but just remember the driving force behind this salary stampede are the player managers. Pushing their players salaries up purely for their own personal gain.
Personally, I don't have a contract nor is there an option for me to go to another employer as I'm self employed.If your employer told you you weren’t wanted, and another employer would pay you the same salary, to do the same job, what would you do?
Look thats a fair point but the League was created so players could get paid. Professionalism is a fact, the one amateur side University died in the arse.I know it's nearly a century ago but just a random fact.
Back in the day when Collingwood ruled the VFL for about 15 years EVERY PLAYER was paid equal.
Without exception.
That was at a time when teams were TEAMS not collections of 'stars'.
Football salaries are out of control because player managers have the whip hand - and the more their player gets paid the more commission the player managers get.
It's fine to attack the stars for the money they earn but just remember the driving force behind this salary stampede are the player managers. Pushing their players salaries up purely for their own personal gain.
I know it's nearly a century ago but just a random fact.
Back in the day when Collingwood ruled the VFL for about 15 years EVERY PLAYER was paid equal.
Without exception.
That was at a time when teams were TEAMS not collections of 'stars'.
Football salaries are out of control because player managers have the whip hand - and the more their player gets paid the more commission the player managers get.
It's fine to attack the stars for the money they earn but just remember the driving force behind this salary stampede are the player managers. Pushing their players salaries up purely for their own personal gain.
Fair point. I don’t know either, I just have a strong suspicion.Personally, I don't have a contract nor is there an option for me to go to another employer as I'm self employed.
That said I understand & respect your point.
I'm simply trying to come up to speed by asking questions, not answering them without sifting thru the countless pages of posts, much of which are rumoured correctly or otherwise.
From someone who does not know for sure, has the club actually told Grundy he is not wanted?
Why should players bow down to the team, when teams toss aside players willy-nilly as soon as it suits them?I know it's nearly a century ago but just a random fact.
Back in the day when Collingwood ruled the VFL for about 15 years EVERY PLAYER was paid equal.
Without exception.
That was at a time when teams were TEAMS not collections of 'stars'.
Football salaries are out of control because player managers have the whip hand - and the more their player gets paid the more commission the player managers get.
It's fine to attack the stars for the money they earn but just remember the driving force behind this salary stampede are the player managers. Pushing their players salaries up purely for their own personal gain.
There’s more to it than that I suspect. We are not privy to the back room negotiations that take place when contracts are up for renewal. For all we know, Treloar’s and Grundy’s manager might have played serious hardball.Why should players bow down to the team, when teams toss aside players willy-nilly as soon as it suits them?
You missed the point cyclops.Look thats a fair point but the League was created so players could get paid. Professionalism is a fact, the one amateur side University died in the arse.
You want monkeys? Pay peanuts. The old story about all Pies getting 3 quid (later increased to 5 quid) is true, but they also got golden handshakes in the rooms from John Wren, aa tenner here, a fiver there, so they could have their pay packet doubled or tripled off the books at the whim of some rich supporters: the truth is money is a great motivator. Also we weren't really paying them equally even when it was the Machine.
The Salary Cap kept a lot of clubs alive, maybe even ours. The money means they don't have to work as cops or teachers or whatever, where players used to cop injuries or retire because footy didn't pay the bills. We lost Bob Rose at age 27 to a police posting in rural Victoria.
Its not really reversible, and it was never really level.
But then why do we have to sweeten the deal by offering to pay $300k of his salary? There's still no guarantee that they'll take the bite. I'd rather keep him and transform him into a completely different player.Contract value is a seperate debate i.e. benefit versus cost.
Have a ponder though, your logic is flawed re Grundy. You are saying Pies aren't as good with him in it?
Follow the logic here, then why are supposedly teams like Geelong?Melbourne want him?
I thinks, your issue, is his contract value, is that correct?
I think it is a combination of both. If he was a better player his contract value would not be an issue.Contract value is a seperate debate i.e. benefit versus cost.
Have a ponder though, your logic is flawed re Grundy. You are saying Pies aren't as good with him in it?
Follow the logic here, then why are supposedly teams like Geelong?Melbourne want him?
I thinks, your issue, is his contract value, is that correct?
Yet with the all conquering Grundy we lost to West Coast…
Without him we’ve beaten the reining premiers, twice.
Only time Melbourne has beaten us in the last 3 years was when Grundy played…
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
Thinking with my heart here, but I’ll be shattered if Grundy is traded.
There’s more to it than that I suspect. We are not privy to the back room negotiations that take place when contracts are up for renewal. For all we know, Treloar’s and Grundy’s manager might have played serious hardball.
Conversely, Elliot’s demands may have been far more modest and reasonable.
Performance obviously comes into it, and especially when you’re on the mega backs. Jordan De Goey, case in point.
I believe the ball is in his court.I feel the Exact Same