Review Cats demolish North by 75 points.

[BORIS332]

Have moved up to 14th for CP.

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We’re sitting 5-0 and have just won by 80pts and you’re worried about a contested possession differential of -2

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We’re sitting 5-0 and have just won by 80pts and you’re worried about a contested possession differential of -2

We've beaten no one of note.
If you think that formline will hold up against the best then you will be in for a rude shock.

 

[BORIS332]

We've beaten no one of note.
If you think that formline will hold up against the best then you will be in for a rude shock.

Surrounded by positives, deliberately searches for the negatives. What a miserable way to be.

 

[feelinfeline]

This was a meh game i thought we were ok and did what we had to do without impressing a lot.
Neale was a real positive but the rest we cant judge much as the opposition was poor.

Next week i suspect the changes will be
In Danger hawkins kolo
Out: Neale osullivan tuohy
Id go clark again but mannagh as an impact sub is also possible.

Clark only got one possession from almost a full quarter on the ground.

Perhaps time for him to work on his game a bit more at VFL level.

 

[Generalissimo]

In: Hawkins, Dangerfield, Kolo
Out: O'Sullivan, Clark, 2E

Shannon Neale deserves to retain his spot, but I'd expect him to ruck more with Hawkins lurking about up forward. O'Sullivan showed promise but now it's time to take that taste of senior footy back to the VFL and let it simmer. Tuohy is going to ground too easily these days and struggles to hit a target.

 

[Kobe Gryant]

Guthries been out a while he will need to come through the vfl.
Atkins is zero chance to be dropped. IF parfitt keeps this form up atkins will go back to hbf and tuohy or oconnor (probably the former) will be dropped.
Parfitt and bowes will have to keep this form up or they wont be in anyway.

Touhy is the only true concern in our side atm.

I never used to worry when had the ball in his hands, now I'm feeling that way regularly.

I was prepared to write off last year as a mulligan for the whole side, but he's continued that form into this year.

He's getting caught more often too. I know he's underdone but the signs have been there for 12 months now.

I do hope we bite the bullet and he's out of the side once we have full availability. The kids have gone past him, and the experienced players on the sidelines obviously offer more at present.

 

[herbies hermits]

Can’t see Guthrie having to play more than one VFL match assuming he looks a class above, which he should.

I’d prefer Atkins to Tuohy who is battling. He did a few nice things today but under heat is now often fumbly. O’Connor is in good form and provides positional versatility. Can’t see him being dropped.

Atkins should be on the periphery. He was great in 22 but on current form Parfitt is ahead.

Didnt Atkins come runnerup in the best and fairest last year as well? So two excellent seasons and you want to push him out after five rounds this year , Parfitt has been dropped five times in those two years. Bowes and Bruhn have added to the midfield depth , but Atkins has been a very solid contributor for three years now.

 

[Lana]

We've beaten no one of note.
If you think that formline will hold up against the best then you will be in for a rude shock.

We play ever team we've beaten so far again this season

 

[Kobe Gryant]

To quote James May - "Irrelevant Twaddle".

North don't get 20 points added to their score because they had 16 less inside 50s and we don't excuse our mids struggling over the low bar set by elite midfielders at every other club.

We are 17th for clearances and 17th for contested possessions.
Guys hitting 18-23 touches shouldn't be celebrated, or excused because of low ToG. We should improve their endurance so their ToG and by extension, output, can increase accordingly.

Standards are being set very low on here.

Sure, we'll just flog the midfield into the ground every week and have them cooked by finals.

Seemed to work from 2012-2021, why not try it again?

Considering Guthrie hasn't played, Danger has missed 3 games, and all of Bruhn, Bowes, Duncan, & Atkins have missed at least 1, we've done a mighty job so far.

We're clearly playing the long game here, and looking to peak when it matters with our two best mids back in the side.

All that's important between now and then is banking the wins. Premierships aren't won in April.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Can’t see Guthrie having to play more than one VFL match assuming he looks a class above, which he should.

I’d prefer Atkins to Tuohy who is battling. He did a few nice things today but under heat is now often fumbly. O’Connor is in good form and provides positional versatility. Can’t see him being dropped.

Atkins should be on the periphery. He was great in 22 but on current form Parfitt is ahead.

2E or Rohan for super sub then?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Sure, we'll just flog the midfield into the ground every week and have them cooked by finals.

Seemed to work from 2012-2021, why not try it again?

Considering Guthrie hasn't played, Danger has missed 3 games, and all of Bruhn, Bowes, Duncan, & Atkins have missed at least 1, we've done a mighty job so far.

We're clearly playing the long game here, and looking to peak when it matters with our two best mids back in the side.

All that's important between now and then is banking the wins. Premierships aren't won in April.

What is it with people and irrelevant stuff tonight.
18-23 touches a game from our midfielders is decent output, but not great, nor is our lowly standings in key midfield metrics.
The next month will be telling in that regard, playing 4 clubs with far better midfield groups.

ToG, long game, running guys into the ground. All irrelevant here and topics for separate discussion points.
How much we play guys, whether we give them weeks off to manage them is not the issue.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Another addition to the pool room
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That North player has the classic "Who farted?" look on his face!

 

[Gunf]

We've beaten no one of note.
If you think that formline will hold up against the best then you will be in for a rude shock.

I keep seeing this everywhere... Geelong has the easiest draw Geelong hasn't beat anyone etc etc

This is why trying to figure out who has a hard draw and who doesn't is impossible

Crows were expected to rise
Dogs were expected to fight for finals
Saints were expected to be a finalist
Hawks were expected to rise a little
North will be shit for another 3 years

It isn't our fault the first 3 on that the first 3 haven't held up expectations.

And as always we won't really know who the good teams, bad teams and middle teams are until around round 12-15

 

[Kobe Gryant]

What is it with people and irrelevant stuff tonight.
18-23 touches a game from our midfielders is decent output, but not great, nor is our lowly standings in key midfield metrics.
The next month will be telling in that regard, playing 4 clubs with far better midfield groups.

ToG, long game, running guys into the ground. All irrelevant here and topics for separate discussion points.
How much we play guys, whether we give them weeks off to manage them is not the issue.

I'm honestly confused that you can't see the link here. It's completely relevant, it's cause and effect.

The midfielders are playing low TOG, hence their lower numbers. If they where playing the same TOG as their opponents, their numbers would be similar.

We did it all through the winning streak in 2022, and have ever since.

Go back and check, and you'll be hard pressed to find a single eye catching performance from a midfielder on the stat sheet.

We've done this for a while now. 15 or so players around the 15-25 disposal mark, rather than 3 who get 35-40.

It's about sharing the load, conserving energy, and waring down the opposition through weight of numbers.

You seem like a pretty bright guy, so I'm surprised that you can't put two and two together here.

 

[Lana]

Looking back on our last few wins, our inside midfield group has a real greater than the sum of its parts vibe. I wonder if the unpredictability created by our lack of stand out talent in the area. Pretty much everyone rotating through has a good defensive first mindset to just shut down their direct opponent. But when the ball bounces our way the opposition doesn't know where the attack is coming from, the punch they don't see does the damage.

 

[SoYouThink90]

We've beaten no one of note.
If you think that formline will hold up against the best then you will be in for a rude shock.

Can only beat what's in front of you

 

[The Casey Cat]

What is it with people and irrelevant stuff tonight.
18-23 touches a game from our midfielders is decent output, but not great, nor is our lowly standings in key midfield metrics.
The next month will be telling in that regard, playing 4 clubs with far better midfield groups.

ToG, long game, running guys into the ground. All irrelevant here and topics for separate discussion points.
How much we play guys, whether we give them weeks off to manage them is not the issue.

You're right and midfield is an obvious issue. I'm not relying on Guth and Danger to help that either. They are at an age where it's best to see them as bonus. But it does seem also that Scott is adapting a game style to this.

I have been shocked to look at disposal counts of opposition this year and was again today. We seem able to control games and do damage without necessarily having a lot of the ball. It's going back a while but for memory in 2011 in both our QF and GF win Hawthorn and Collingwood had 80-100 odd more disposals than us. Remains to be seen if this works against GWS and better sides. I'm skeptical but also hopeful with more games together the midfield group can improve enough to give us a shot against them.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Can’t see Guthrie having to play more than one VFL match assuming he looks a class above, which he should.

I’d prefer Atkins to Tuohy who is battling. He did a few nice things today but under heat is now often fumbly. O’Connor is in good form and provides positional versatility. Can’t see him being dropped.

Atkins should be on the periphery. He was great in 22 but on current form Parfitt is ahead.

I think guthrie will need a few at vfl level hes barely played since 2022.

I do agree tuohy is battling and goes to ground more now. I think oconnor is fringe but his versatility will help him be the 21st-23rd player.

Atkins brings intangibles in terms of his will to win contests that most of those other players dont. He will be in the team just a matter of where hes not peripheral. As i said its really a matter of parfitt vs the defender they will drop instead amd thats a 50-50 call.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Can only beat what's in front of you

The next month will tell us where we are really at.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I'm honestly confused that you can't see the link here. It's completely relevant, it's cause and effect.

The midfielders are playing low TOG, hence their lower numbers. If they where playing the same TOG as their opponents, their numbers would be similar.

We did it all through the winning streak in 2022, and have ever since.

Go back and check, and you'll be hard pressed to find a single eye catching performance from a midfielder on the stat sheet.

We've done this for a while now. 15 or so players around the 15-25 disposal mark, rather than 3 who get 35-40.

It's about sharing the load, conserving energy, and waring down the opposition through weight of numbers.

You seem like a pretty bright guy, so I'm surprised that you can't put two and two together here.

Don't patronise me.

You're right and midfield is an obvious issue. I'm not relying on Guth and Danger to help that either. They are at an age where it's best to see them as bonus. But it does seem also that Scott is adapting a game style to this.

I have been shocked to look at disposal counts of opposition this year and was again today. We seem able to control games and do damage without necessarily having a lot of the ball. It's going back a while but for memory in 2011 in both our QF and GF win Hawthorn and Collingwood had 80-100 odd more disposals than us. Remains to be seen if this works against GWS and better sides. I'm skeptical but also hopeful with more games together the midfield group can improve enough to give us a shot against them.

This is it for me too. Been surprised this first month that we've exceeded expectations and won without needing to do well in midfield.
The next month though has me skeptical as well. Lions, Blues, Dees and Port are 4 very good midfield groups.

 

[iameviljez]

We should improve their endurance so their ToG and by extension, output, can increase accordingly.

Huh? They don't get low ToG because they have low endurance. They get low ToG because it's a deliberate tactic. Do you really think Dangerfield is considered unfit? Even he only gets 65 - 70% ToG at Geelong when fit.

And frankly, the dividends are showing - although we have the worst clearance differential in the league until today, our clearances (particularly our centre work) have yielded a large number of scores. Quality vs quantity, I guess.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Looking back on our last few wins, our inside midfield group has a real greater than the sum of its parts vibe. I wonder if the unpredictability created by our lack of stand out talent in the area. Pretty much everyone rotating through has a good defensive first mindset to just shut down their direct opponent. But when the ball bounces our way the opposition doesn't know where the attack is coming from, the punch they don't see does the damage.

Yeah, there's no real number one attacking player, so who do you set up for?

 

[STPer18]

This was before this week's games.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Also, can we please never ever again see Sam De Koning in the ruck?

 

[Generalissimo]

Also, can we please never ever again see Sam De Koning in the ruck?

He wasn't disgraced, but I think he's wasted there.