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[Jack is Back]

Why, Harto keeps the runner up coleman medalist to one goal denying him the coleman with buddy kicking 10, not as though he didnt have anything to play for

Lever actually played pretty well just a lot of posters are negative about him

So you "watched" the game on 5aa again .

Weren't you about to watch the replay of the Geelong match again and explain to all of us dumb smucks how Keath was responsible for Harry Taylor's five goals? Please explain all five goals, step by step.

If you think that both Hartigan and Lever played good/great games yesterday then you know even less about football than we all thought (and my expectations on your knowledge was already subterranean).

 

[Elite Crow]

The question you have to ask yourself is, who would you rather have bearing down on you and about to land a tackle?

Actually that's not the question.

The question is does Cameron's marginal uplift in defensive pressure justify his spot in the team when he is so horribly out of form?

Mackay can play a defensive role, he's done it before and based on this year I know who'd I prefer kicking at goal.

It's well known I am not a Mackay fan but he's been decent since his return, he's been harder and Cameron has stunk for 3 months. He does not deserve to be carried.

 

[godra6]

So you "watched" the game on 5aa again .

Weren't you about to watch the replay of the Geelong match again and explain to all of us dumb smucks how Keath was responsible for Harry Taylor's five goals? Please explain all five goals, step by step.

If you think that both Hartigan and Lever played good/great games yesterday then you know even less about football than we all thought (and my expectations on your knowledge was already subterranean).

Hi,

Don't like the personal comments to other people but tend to agree with this. Lever has lost some confidence and poise. Hartigan punched the ball towards some West Coast Eagles players. I couldnt believe it. THanks

 

[marty36]

So you "watched" the game on 5aa again .

Weren't you about to watch the replay of the Geelong match again and explain to all of us dumb smucks how Keath was responsible for Harry Taylor's five goals? Please explain all five goals, step by step.

If you think that both Hartigan and Lever played good/great games yesterday then you know even less about football than we all thought (and my expectations on your knowledge was already subterranean).

Youve lost it, I certainly watched the game

Every football commntator or expert has picked harto in the best yesterday and to keep kennedy whilst he was guning for the coleman medal to one goal was a bloody super human effort

He clearly is a better choice than Keath unless you wont to lose, keath has more rebound but this week against GWS we needed a couple of excellent defenders to handle their forward line and we both know Lever isnt that stopper, if you like you could swap Lever for keath if you have absolutely zero idea on footy, cant see too many teams lining up to offer Keath $850K can you

As for lever he had a reasonable match actually above average

Our forward line let us done JJ cant handle it when Tex isnt there and Lynch put in a shocker those two are good second stringers but Tex is needed

As for the Geelong game, even Roo said Keath struggled grow up and be honest he had a shocker in that game

 

[crowhead]

Actually that's not the question.

The question is does Cameron's marginal uplift in defensive pressure justify his spot in the team when he is so horribly out of form?

Mackay can play a defensive role, he's done it before and based on this year I know who'd I prefer kicking at goal.

It's well known I am not a Mackay fan but he's been decent since his return, he's been harder and Cameron has stunk for 3 months. He does not deserve to be carried.

Agree - that's not the question at all. I've been a massive critic of MacKay - lamented the day he ever came to our club. He's been serviceable of late... Cameron has not. And serviceable is not a subjective measure. It's a measure of whether they are useful to the team. Cameron is not at all. His tackle counts are down, his disposals are deplorable, his goals have been so far down it's not even funny (and his sole goal yesterday was a cherry pick), and - above all - he can't ****ing kick!!!

 

[crowhead]

Youve lost it, I certainly watched the game

Every football commntator or expert has picked harto in the best yesterday and to keep kennedy whilst he was guning for the coleman medal to one goal was a bloody super human effort

He clearly is a better choice than Keath unless you wont to lose, keath has more rebound but this week against GWS we needed a couple of excellent defenders to handle their forward line and we both know Lever isnt that stopper, if you like you could swap Lever for keath if you have absolutely zero idea on footy, cant see too many teams lining up to offer Keath $850K can you

As for lever he had a reasonable match actually above average

Our forward line let us done JJ cant handle it when Tex isnt there and Lynch put in a shocker those two are good second stringers but Tex is needed

As for the Geelong game, even Roo said Keath struggled grow up and be honest he had a shocker in that game

Sorry - love Lever, desperate to keep him - not good yesterday. He's rushing kicks, dropping marks he'd have swallowed Rounds 1-7ish and not dashing through players/traffic as he typically would.

 

[marty36]

Actually that's not the question.

The question is does Cameron's marginal uplift in defensive pressure justify his spot in the team when he is so horribly out of form?

Mackay can play a defensive role, he's done it before and based on this year I know who'd I prefer kicking at goal.

It's well known I am not a Mackay fan but he's been decent since his return, he's been harder and Cameron has stunk for 3 months. He does not deserve to be carried.

Agree with everything you say, but I can see the coaching staff living in hoep on CC and Dropping Seeds

 

[xazos79]

Actually that's not the question.

The question is does Cameron's marginal uplift in defensive pressure justify his spot in the team when he is so horribly out of form?

Mackay can play a defensive role, he's done it before and based on this year I know who'd I prefer kicking at goal.

It's well known I am not a Mackay fan but he's been decent since his return, he's been harder and Cameron has stunk for 3 months. He does not deserve to be carried.

Mackay's been dropped twice this season, and deservedly so. What makes you think he could play Camerons role, one that he's never played, and play it better? He's not a natural forward either.

Marginal uplift in pressure? That's where we disagree. Cameron's pressure when he decides to pour it on is light years ahead of Mackay's. I'm not debating whether Cameron is out of form, he is. I'm debating whether Mackay is a suitable replacement for him in the foward line, he isn't.

Cameron certainly hasn't "stunk" for 3 months either.

 

[marty36]

Sorry - love Lever, desperate to keep him - not good yesterday. He's rushing kicks, dropping marks he'd have swallowed Rounds 1-7ish and not dashing through players/traffic as he typically would.

May not be one of his best games but definetly above average, what did you think of Keaths game in comparison, but to win a flag, who are you going to play Keath or Lever, Lever has more ability in his left toe than Keath which is acknowledged by our opposition going hell for leather for him

 

[marty36]

Mackay's been dropped twice this season, and deservedly so. What makes you think he could play Camerons role, one that he's never played, and play it better? He's not a natural forward either.

Marginal uplift in pressure? That's where we disagree. Cameron's pressure when he decides to pour it on is light years ahead of Mackay's. I'm not debating whether Cameron is out of form, he is. I'm debating whether Mackay is a suitable replacement for him in the foward line, he isn't.

Cameron certainly hasn't "stunk" for 3 months either.

Mackays strenght is his gut running no one in the team consistently gets back and runs forward his kilometres covered would be up there every game as one of the best, seeds wouldnt have the fitness to do that and no doubt would leave the defence exposed

 

[crowhead]

May not be one of his best games but definetly above average, what did you think of Keaths game in comparison, but to win a flag, who are you going to play Keath or Lever, Lever has more ability in his left toe than Keath which is acknowledged by our opposition going hell for leather for him

Disagree above average - very average.

Agree that he gets picked over Keath every day of the week and twice on Thursday nights.

 

[crowhead]

Mackays strenght is his gut running no one in the team consistently gets back and runs forward his kilometres covered would be up there every game as one of the best, seeds wouldnt have the fitness to do that and no doubt would leave the defence exposed

Another fair comment. I'd play Seed instead of Cameron if anyone. One criticism my friends and I had watching yesterday is that Seed didn't run back enough.

 

[Vader]

Cameron certainly hasn't "stunk" for 3 months either.

He has actually.

 

[xazos79]

Mackays strenght is his gut running no one in the team consistently gets back and runs forward his kilometres covered would be up there every game as one of the best, seeds wouldnt have the fitness to do that and no doubt would leave the defence exposed

Agree there, i do see Seed as an upgrade on Mackay... but he wouldn't have the conditioning at this point of the season. Would be interesting to see the total distance covered by the two of them as a comparison.

 

[marty36]

Another fair comment. I'd play Seed instead of Cameron if anyone. One criticism my friends and I had watching yesterday is that Seed didn't run back enough.

Id definetly go Seeds for CC, but the coaches have this faith in CC and Seeds has been so unlucky with his interupted season that will put doubts in the coaches minds , I think the coaches will go CC, which I dont agree with

 

[xazos79]

He has actually.

Well i'll await your definition of what he has to do to not stink. While at times it may appear his attitude has, he certainly hasn't stunk in every game for the last three months. Unless... 3 goals... stunk. 20 touches... stunk. Maybe you hold him in such high regard anything less than 4 goals or 21 touches is garbage?

 

[Vader]

Well i'll await your definition of what he has to do to not stink. While at times it may appear his attitude has, he certainly hasn't stunk in every game for the last three months. Unless... 3 goals... stunk. 20 touches... stunk. Maybe you hold him in such high regard anything less than 4 goals or 21 touches is garbage?

He might have had one good game in the last 3 months.

 

[Next Gen Rookie]

Well i'll await your definition of what he has to do to not stink. While at times it may appear his attitude has, he certainly hasn't stunk in every game for the last three months. Unless... 3 goals... stunk. 20 touches... stunk. Maybe you hold him in such high regard anything less than 4 goals or 21 touches is garbage?

Charles has kicked 6 goals in the last 3 months/11 games (his 3 against the Shockers was over 3 months ago - his last good game).

He's been poor.

But I feel if Don drops him, he'll def ask for a trade. Least if Don's playing him, the club can insist he's required.

 

[BrissyCrow]

Charles has kicked 6 goals in the last 3 months/11 games (his 3 against the Shockers was over 3 months ago - his last good game).

He's been poor.

But I feel if Don drops him, he'll def ask for a trade. Least if Don's playing him, the club can insist he's required.

Note sure if your last statement is how we should be determining who is in and who is out.

 

[xazos79]

Charles has kicked 6 goals in the last 3 months/11 games (his 3 against the Shockers was over 3 months ago - his last good game).

He's been poor.

But I feel if Don drops him, he'll def ask for a trade. Least if Don's playing him, the club can insist he's required.

Well, if i want to be pedantic it was 3 months ago to the day yesterday. He also played decent against the dees, and although his output was poor against the pies (mainly due to his errant shots on goal), he did ok against the power.

Unfortunately his finishing won't improve too much this year, that's the sort of stuff that needs to be continually drilled in the off-season. He should back himself before kicking as he often takes the shot as a second measure due to looking to see who he can pass to.

Lastly, if he lacks the mental fortitude to not want to stay at the club due to being dropped. Good riddance. Mental short people like that don't belong at the club. I don't reckon that's the case though.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Actually that's not the question.

The question is does Cameron's marginal uplift in defensive pressure justify his spot in the team when he is so horribly out of form?

Mackay can play a defensive role, he's done it before and based on this year I know who'd I prefer kicking at goal.

It's well known I am not a Mackay fan but he's been decent since his return, he's been harder and Cameron has stunk for 3 months. He does not deserve to be carried.

My thoughts on this are similar and it shows just how far Cameron has fallen that I would honestly consider Mackay replacing him!!

What we know about Mackay is he will give 100% effort, 100% of the time.

No he cannot tackle like Cameron but I'll bet he closes down more space over a game purely on workrate and footy smarts. In the 22 he can also push upfield more effectively than what Cameron is doing at the moment.

For me an in form Charlie is above Mackay every day of the week, even a 70% Charlie...but let's be honest he's travelling at 25% atm.

What about Milera who would be a better forward offensively than both Mackay and Cameron? Unfortunately he's the worst of the 3 defensively! Not only does he pick and choose like Charlie, he's pretty average defensively when he does go.

Attacking it's Milera > Mackay > Cameron

Defensively it's Cameron > Mackay > Milera

Hampton anyone?!

 

[Paladin]

Charles has kicked 6 goals in the last 3 months/11 games (his 3 against the Shockers was over 3 months ago - his last good game).

He's been poor.

But I feel if Don drops him, he'll def ask for a trade. Least if Don's playing him, the club can insist he's required.

Wrong Cameron was very good against the dees and played well against Essendon and Port.
He isnt doing enough and is lacking confidence. Hopefully the week off can reset him and the coaches can get him up and running for finals because we need his talents.

 

[Murray2503]

Dont liike singling players out but sometimes some perspective is needed.

Q2. 2.09 left
Hartigan makes a poor attempt to tackle. Gaff goals.

Q2. 1.22 left
Hartigan punches the ball straight to Hutchings. Direct goal from Hartigan.

Q2. .49 left
Hartigan falls over clumsily. Shuey goals.

Q3. 12.08 left
Spoils Kennedy in marking contest. Free kick. Was unlucky on this one. Was questionable.

Hartigan replacing Keath is not cut and dry. Talia was not in the team. The best structure alongside Talia is the best choice.

 

[marty36]

Dont liike singling players out but sometimes some perspective is needed.

Q2. 2.09 left
Hartigan makes a poor attempt to tackle. Gaff goals.

Q2. 1.22 left
Hartigan punches the ball straight to Hutchings. Direct goal from Hartigan.

Q2. .49 left
Hartigan falls over clumsily. Shuey goals.

Q3. 12.08 left
Spoils Kennedy in marking contest. Free kick. Was unlucky on this one. Was questionable.

Hartigan replacing Keath is not cut and dry. Talia was not in the team. What is the best structure alongside Talia is the best choice.

Hahahahaha stops the guy from winning the coleman

Did you see a couple of the howlers Sloane did, luckily it was out weighed by his good stuff like Harto, watched Dusty Martin have a couple of shockinmg turnovers but was still BOG along with Danger !!!!

 

[TheLeftFist8]

May not be one of his best games but definetly above average, what did you think of Keaths game in comparison, but to win a flag, who are you going to play Keath or Lever, Lever has more ability in his left toe than Keath which is acknowledged by our opposition going hell for leather for him

100% incorrect.

If you watched closely yesterday you will see Lever lost more one-on-ones than Keath...he's a poor defender.

However, he has licence to intercept and therefore right now gets more ball. Of course he will play in the QF, doesn't make your comments any more right.

Lever needs to put on his big boy pants and stop failing in every one on one, stop fumbling every mark. Needs a man conversation.