Prediction Changes v GWS

[getgaff]

Both schofield and emac will get man handled by patton. Barrass was a scapegoat and would have offered more on patton.

Going to have to disagree on the strength side of things.

Only 2 weeks ago Barrass was outdone by a KPF back for his 2nd game of competitive footy in about a year in Redpath.

I agree our defensive structures as a whole weren't on point that evening and the Bulldogs picked us apart but there was a number of times when he was engaged physically that TB lost out.

Ezy will have the strength to go body on body but would be struggling to beat Patton on a lead, his deceptively quick.

Need a hybrid of Ezy and Schofield. A Schokenzie or Macfield.

 

[Biggie]

Ezy will have the strength to go body on body

You've seen Eric at AFL level recently yeah?

 

[Brave Sir Robin]

Not particularly happy about the changes. My first reaction was a lot more negative than that, but now I would at least like to hear the rationale behind them from Simmo. The ins are much more disappointing than the outs IMO.

Wellingham was forced.

Barrass I can handle too - he's played 3 pretty awful games, he's a young kid and if he is carrying a niggle then he's earned a rest. This one I'm interested to hear from Simmo whether it was a forced change as well.

Mutimer I don't mind. Little bit scapegoaty for sure, but he's had a decent taste now and he can go back to the WAFL to keep developing.

Redden is awful and had to go so that's fair enough.

Frase I think was hard done by. I feel like I'm defending him more than I think we need him lately, but if ever there is a time to see what we have with him, it's now. I think if a message was going to be sent, this was probably the one it should have been in lieu of.

Nevertheless we have 5 ins and I'm pretty damn upset about the way that's panned out. Not even a wink and a nod to guys like Partington & Lamb to say they're not far off. I could almost forgive Lamb if he drops his head again from here on.

 

[getgaff]

You've seen Eric at AFL level recently yeah?

Your right Biggie. I'll give you that one. Lost a lot of that strength after the year off and a big reason why he has fallen out of favour at selection.

In saying that TB isn't an ideal match up strength wise for Patton either wouldn't you think?

 

[Godfather32]

Your right Biggie. I'll give you that one. Lost a lot of that strength after the year off and a big reason why he has fallen out of favour at selection.

In saying that TB isn't an ideal match up strength wise for Patton either wouldn't you think?

Schofield's probably got as much chance as anyone of matching up on him, certainly a better option than Mackenzie. Still likely to get smashed in the midfield so it doesn't really matter much.

 

[Biggie]

Your right Biggie. I'll give you that one. Lost a lot of that strength after the year off and a big reason why he has fallen out of favour at selection.

In saying that TB isn't an ideal match up strength wise for Patton either wouldn't you think?

TBs form has been poor, no question

However the only way to learn is to play the kid.

TB was towelled up by Tex a few seasons back, next time he played him TB gave him a beatdown

If the lads injured, fair enough

If he's being dropped for Eric, that is a question that will be added to Mitch Brown pile.

 

[TOA.]

Gotta say its mediocre in and mediocre out.

Scape goats galore really. I mean Redden wasnt playing well but he barely gets any on ball time at all and is constantly played out of position. Blokes like Masten just pad their stats better at the end of the game so everyone's seemingly okay with the performance.

I would have liked to see a big out like Lecca, one that actually sends a message. These outs just show guys on the edge that they are one game away from being dropped whilst other protected players can just do as they please.

Cripps wasnt anywhere near fit last week but they dropped Hill for him.

Our selections continually baffle me. And to be honest, I lost all faith when they played Brown in the final last year.

 

[BartBart]

I think Barrass going out is a bit of an acknowledgement that the defensive setup is out of whack. Basically 4 intercepting defenders (McGovern, Barrass, Yeo and Sheppard - who did it a few years ago when most of our defenders were injured) is a recipe for disaster when teams decide to run at us and not bomb into our forward line.

 

[frenchconnection]

Don't tell me Redden hasn't busted his gut!!! Wasn't one of his injuries a hernia?

Tough game, we are lucky they are away and prone to be lazy. I am not penciling in a win.

Not sure what you seek too be proved

just a figure of speech! I'm surprised you haven't heard it being used before? Anyway to be truthful I will be nervous before the match, and I will say they should win but anything is possible

 

[frenchconnection]

This season could get away from us not really keen on the ins but we can't put up with that effort last week. If we can get to the bye with win againest GWS and GC then we can be in good shape for top 4. But really are we a threat I think not hope Im wrong.

For some reason the hunger doesn't appear to be there anymore, either this year or last. They really wasted not turning up on GF day in 2015, as that was their chance. I think we have too many players on our list now who are on the decline. Age does catch up with you eventually, and I do believe in 2015 that many of our players were at their peak but unfortunately have been on a gradual decline ever since. Some changes are needed at years end.

 

[lewigie]

Masten has been okay this year, but has went to absolute water in games where we need our leaders to stand up - he's 29 now, he's got to be a leader in the team, "leadership group" or not. That's why people want him dropped. He epitomises flat track bully

 

[eaglesfan84]

I told yous all this would be their changes

 

[06Premiers]

I told yous all this would be their changes

Sure did! Thanks mate.

 

[Grahame]

Anyone help me identify the leadership group?

 

[CM9000]

Anyone help me identify the leadership group?

This should help.

 

[Moose1414]

Anyone help me identify the leadership group?

I think Shannon Hurn is our captain though I'm yet to see any evidence of it. Other than that... not too sure

Edit: evidence below, there was an article written about it

 

[Moose1414]

This should help.

Very helpful, thanks. For those averse to google this was the 2nd hit

http://www.westcoasteagles.com.au/news/2017-02-22/hurn-to-lead-again

Respected leader Shannon Hurn has been emphatically endorsed by the club to captain the team for a third successive season after the West Coast Eagles board last night ratified a football department recommendation.

First the players were asked to vote on the composition of the leadership group, the Football Department executive supported their views and finally the club’s board offered their stamp of approval.

Hurn, a straight-shooter who has excelled in the role of captain, will lead the playing group with a couple of subtle changes to the support network around him.

Most notably, 2016 John Worsfold medallist Luke Shuey has been elevated as a joint vice-captain alongside dual Coleman medallist Josh Kennedy, while Brownlow medallists Matt Priddis and Sam Mitchell complete the leadership group with all-Australian defender Jeremy McGovern and 2015 Club Champion Andrew Gaff.

Mitchell, who joins the club after 307 games, five best and fairest awards and four premierships with Hawthorn, was a natural fit for a leadership role – particularly with his playing career planned to morph into a coaching role at the club.

 

[CM9000]

Hey Grahame, I had a bit of a read through the thread and realised you're actually being sincere, so I apologise if that came off badly.

But anyway, refer to Moose's post.

 

[Coasters7]

Only one im not annoyed about is the karpany one because at least they're giving someone different a go. All the others have had their chance, time to see what the young guys are made of. Honestly, would've still been happy if parto or lamb were in the emergencies at least.

Our MC are constantly trying to justify **** trades or picks for years after theyve happened. No one has the balls to admit they messed up and maybe try a different approach. They're continually held to ransom by how good a player was previously or how good a player "should" be, rather that how good he actually is at this moment.

Actually didn't mind that mutimer didn't impact the game very much to begin with, not many do. You can usually cover a quiet draftee in his first game if the rest of the team is any good, he just stood out more because no one else was doing much either.

20 year old learning the intensity of the top level and going missing a couple of times is a heck of a lot better than a 28 year old, who has been there for 10 years, going missing regularly and continuing to get selected because he "had potential" 10 years ago..

 

[bzparkes]

I feel there may be some significant change in the way we draft and manage our list going forward with Rawlings now in charge. Think Simmo may actually get the changes he wants, hence my surprise at actually taking Rioli last year and acknowledging the need for a small forward last week. Haven't had a real crumber since Sampi.

 

[squashface]

To be fair, even though I still think that Redden will be a good player for us eventually, it probably should have been Hutchings in Redden's spot and Redden pushing from East Perth from the get go.

 

[ziad]

I think Barrass going out is a bit of an acknowledgement that the defensive setup is out of whack. Basically 4 intercepting defenders (McGovern, Barrass, Yeo and Sheppard - who did it a few years ago when most of our defenders were injured) is a recipe for disaster when teams decide to run at us and not bomb into our forward line.

I think you have nailed it.

 

[Winky]

Oh seriously, drop it.

Masten has had one bad game, that was last week. He has been very good for us this season and if you can't see it then you've got egglants on your eyes.

Seriously, ffs.

Regarding todays selection:

Lecca OR Priddis should have made way. OMITTED, not sore, not injured OMITTED.That is a message. They've been poor, Lecca has had some shiny lights, Priddis has been woeful with one or two, possibly 3 good qtrs this season.

This week, Lecca will kick 3 off 12-15, Priddis 27 touches in a good win and we all move on to Metricon.

RINSE AND ******* REPEAT.

Dare I say it, I've nearly had a gutful.

....

Apologies, salt just covered my keyboard. I'll pipe down.

You do realise that the main problems with WC have been less contested ball and lack of inside 50s. Priddis plays 100% midfield while LeCras is a forward. It's a lot harder for a forward to apply tackles when they are the one leading and trying to get separation on their opponents so that the upfield players can deliver the ball so you can't expect midfield like stats. Then of course you have the situation where the forwards lead away from each other to create space so if the ball does come to ground they are not always in the immediate vicinity. If you drop anyone it has to be where the problem is and the number one problem is the midfield where there is a distinct lack of pace. Of course there are also justifications where there is a lack of effort as demonstrated by Jetta. The 2 copping a lot of flack on here are Darling and LeCras. Both of these certainly put the effort in and aren't the problem.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Barrass out is hopefully only a short term thing, he's our up and coming KPD tyro and probably the biggest positive at the end of last season.

Mackenzie still looks cooked. Hasn't he been playing FWD for East Perth lately? Last time he played on the giants forwards he was an absolute gimp, and was pushed around like he'd never played football before. Be interesting to see how he bounces back against the same forwards.



On another note if Karpany doesn't make the cut i'll be ropeable, he's the one shining light out of those changes

 

[MrKK]

Our selection philosophy is arse backwards - we focus on WAFL and demand young players meet super high standards before getting promoted; we should be focusing on the AFL and dropping players who consistently aren't meeting standards. You can justify it if the senior players have delivered a premiership or two, but hot with our current lot.