Changes vs Port

[rezagun]

When do we find out the final 22?

 

[Scorpus]

When do we find out the final 22?

Around 5.00pm AEST

 

[Tex Danger]

They've played under two coaches now and neither has ever looked like cementing a place in the best 22. They've been around for long enough now that they should be in the best 22 if they are ever likely to get there, noting that they're both midfielders (as distinct from talls who take longer to mature).

That comment is a fair way off the mark IMO.

not being able to crack the best 22 by now is probably a fair indicator they are unlikely to be top level talent, but to say because they haven't cracked the 22 now means they probably never will is juts plain wrong. There is no reason they can't. Ill use the CEY example again as the prime example of that.

In fact, they have cracked the best 22 a lot, its juts that a certain sub rule means that cracking the best 22 counts for little if you are in fact number 22.

 

[fabs33]

I think it was made abundantly clear to him that the coach wasn't happy with his performance against Melbourne. At the end of the day though, he was still selected in the 22, with Grigg/Lyons/Crouch all playing SANFL.

Of course it's based on whose selected and who's not.. Other than those who are MIA due to injury, it's the strongest indication we have of a player's standing at the club.

Crouch is a slightly different case to the other two. He missed a lot of the pre-season due to injury and he's only in his second year. I don't think he's overly talented - we'll certainly be downgrading if/when he does replace Thompson. However, he still has improvement left which should see him rise up the pecking order in the not too distant future.

Grigg & Lyons have been on the fringe ever since they arrived at the club. They've played under two coaches now and neither has ever looked like cementing a place in the best 22. They've been around for long enough now that they should be in the best 22 if they are ever likely to get there, noting that they're both midfielders (as distinct from talls who take longer to mature).

I have no problem if the coach pulls the trigger on a player like Wright, DMac or VB. These players are all relatively limited and I think they will only remain in the team until someone better comes along, much the same as Cameron's arrival last year spelled the end of Petrenko's career. Despite their limitations they are clearly preferred to Lyons/Grigg/Crouch.. The fact that these kids are unable to displace some fairly limited players says that they're not as good as many BigFooty fans seem to think they are.

I am not saying that guys like Lyons, Grigg and Crouch are at this very instant world beaters, but have you ever considered that Walsh during these early stages may be giving the senior (i.e. more experienced) players the first opportunity to put their case forward for staying in the 22, possibly even on the list? I can't stress enough that selection right now isn't all that you think it is, particularly when our coach has pointed towards 2017 being our target for challenging. I believe you're thinking way too much like our past administration and coaches who focused so much on winning the next game that they always selected the best available team for the day, which is why you'll always be surprised when someone like CEY who you've underestimated in the past pops up.

 

[Mattrox]

After the debacle last week I thought that talia may just go to the best forward this week Schulz.

It's been a while noe since Schulz has been best.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Considering Neither Lyons not Grigg are setting the world on fire you'd have to wonder if Crouch is really any good. If he is then why isn't he even getting a look in?

It's all about team balance ... If he was as good as he is but was an outside mid then he would play every week. If he was playing for a side with poor inside mids (Carlton for example) then he'd play every week. When he's 22 and thommo is retired he will play every week. Need to be careful judging players in their first or second year. Luke hodge prime example... He looked a dud as a pick 1 compared to Judd as a pick 3 but now you'd toss a coin , but probably select hodge

 

[Elite Crow]

you dismissed to easily the point I made about the number of goals conceded vs Kangaroos flattered his performance as our midfield dominance meant he wasn't tested a lot. When he was he was far from convincing IMO. As it was the midfield limited supply and certainly good supply.

Do you think he didn't concede many goals that day because of how good he was or because of the midfield dominance?

I honestly felt he was vulnerable that day

Of course it helped but your opinion of his vulnerability, is just that, an opinion. How little goals he has conceded in the first 3 games is a fact.

 

[Pugsley]

I respectfully go out of my way, to not endorse the PEAr in any way possible!

Had to throw out my INXS greatest hits, thats how bad it got

They've stopped me listening to that song ever again, I now have a new take on it.


Don't ask me what you know is true,
I love that you have choking down to an art
I was standing, you were there
Two goon bags colliding
Unless you have a carton of Winnie Blue,
You will never tear us apart.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It's been a while noe since Schulz has been best.

I'd get Cheney to shulz, although being taller shulz is not a high marker or pack marker , he's a lead up or 1 on 1 and I think Cheney can handle that part . Added to this shulz generally pretty deep and best to have talia at more contests so if have talia as the match up for Ryder where he can get to more contests

 

[MarcusP2]

I'd get Cheney to shulz, although being taller shulz is not a high marker or pack marker , he's a lead up or 1 on 1 and I think Cheney can handle that part . Added to this shulz generally pretty deep and best to have talia at more contests so if have talia as the match up for Ryder where he can get to more contests

Eh? Seen plenty of leaps from Schulz.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Eh? Seen plenty of leaps from Schulz.

Yes he takes the odd hanger , but that's on any opponent. I don't think the height difference will make a massive difference v Cheney compared to Cheney v Ryder . If talia plays on shultz port win by dragging talia out if the play ... We have taken a risk so need to take another risk for it to come off

 

[Mattrox]

I'd get Cheney to shulz, although being taller shulz is not a high marker or pack marker , he's a lead up or 1 on 1 and I think Cheney can handle that part . Added to this shulz generally pretty deep and best to have talia at more contests so if have talia as the match up for Ryder where he can get to more contests

Took mark of the year or close to it on a pack (behind the goal line).


He is exactly that.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Took mark of the year or close to it on a pack (behind the goal line).


He is exactly that.

If he takes mark of the year then he will do it on anyone , if he plays consistently well then he will need to take 8 mark of the years on Cheney compared to playing on talia ... On the goal line - exactly why talia needs to be further up the ground

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If he takes mark of the year then he will do it on anyone , if he plays consistently well then he will need to take 8 mark of the years on Cheney compared to playing on talia ... On the goal line - exactly why talia needs to be further up the ground

Just an opinion if this is going to work ... I would have kept hartigan otherwise for Ryder but that option not available now

 

[Scorpus]

In other words

In: Cameron, Cheney
Out: Hartigan, Lyons

For Port:

In: Gray
Out: Ah Chee

 

[Bay62]

I am not saying that guys like Lyons, Grigg and Crouch are at this very instant world beaters, but have you ever considered that Walsh during these early stages may be giving the senior (i.e. more experienced) players the first opportunity to put their case forward for staying in the 22, possibly even on the list? I can't stress enough that selection right now isn't all that you think it is, particularly when our coach has pointed towards 2017 being our target for challenging. I believe you're thinking way too much like our past administration and coaches who focused so much on winning the next game that they always selected the best available team for the day, which is why you'll always be surprised when someone like CEY who you've underestimated in the past pops up.

Yeah Phil has brought in a new plan which is doing two things, improving those who can do it and finding out those who can't.

He's said he's working out who's interested in playing for AFC and those who are committed. I'd add "and capable"

Time will tell

 

[hey shorty]

So those who believe in the mythical gold pass system, does Charlie Cameron possess one ? We sure as hell aren't picking on form.

Disappointed for Lyons too, he is the next best but not quite there yet.

 

[Cap]

Lyons has been dropped because he wants to go to Brisbane....

 

[Cleric]

If people go and look at M Crouchs stats and performances in his first year as an 18 year old both in the SANFL and AFL and they say he doesnt have enough to make it they have no idea frankly.
The fact that we have plenty of inside mids is the reason he hasnt been getting consistant AFL games. Blind freddy can see this.

 

[hey shorty]

If people go and look at M Crouchs stats and performances in his first year as an 18 year old both in the SANFL and AFL and they say he doesnt have enough to make it they have no idea frankly.
The fact that we have plenty of inside mids is the reason he hasnt been getting consistant AFL games. Blind freddy can see this.

He and Lyons are very unlucky that its the ONLY area we have lots of.

 

[Cleric]

Im starting to think selection is not one of Walshs strong points.
He went on all preseason that to get a spot in the side you would need to perform in the preseason. So he picks Cameron who didnt perfrom and then drops him a couple of weeks later because he is out of form. He then spends some time in the SANFL where he continues to have poor form and he then brings him back into the side for his pace. What good is pace when he only gets the ball an average of 8 times a game?
He brings in Grigg and Lyons, puts them as sub. Then drops them as he wont play them two games in a row. He then drops Wright to sub as he has been playing poorly, he then plays poorly as a sub, and gets promoted to the starting side again, where he plays a poor game again. He then doesnt get dropped but Lyons does.
He really isnt keeping firm to his stance of players needing to perform to keep their place.

 

[spenze]

So those who believe in the mythical gold pass system, does Charlie Cameron possess one ? We sure as hell aren't picking on form.

Think we are picking on a needs basis, he has a skill we are in very short supply of.

 

[Scorpus]

Im starting to think selection is not one of Walshs strong points.
He went on all preseason that to get a spot in the side you would need to perform in the preseason. So he picks Cameron who didnt perfrom and then drops him a couple of weeks later because he is out of form. He then spends some time in the SANFL where he continues to have poor form and he then brings him back into the side for his pace. What good is pace when he only gets the ball an average of 8 times a game?
He brings in Grigg and Lyons, puts them as sub. Then drops them as he wont play them two games in a row. He then drops Wright to sub as he has been playing poorly, he then plays poorly as a sub, and gets promoted to the starting side again, where he plays a poor game again. He then doesnt get dropped but Lyons does.
He really isnt keeping firm to his stance of players needing to perform to keep their place.

If we actually had ready-to-go replacements for positions other than inside mids we would probably see more changes. Cameron and Wright are not inside mids, and there is basically no-one in the reserves to replace them with

 

[hey shorty]

Think we are picking on a needs basis, he has a skill we are in very short supply of.

Im not saying dont pick him, I wouldn't have dropped him in first instance. But he has to earn his spot regardless of what he might do well, which he failed to do at SANFL level last week.

 

[spenze]

He really isnt keeping firm to his stance of players needing to perform to keep their place.

The fact Matty Wright and Footsteps Henderson are getting games says he isn't