Changes vs Port

[DJ75]

I dont mind Kane, but he does run his mouth a bit too much.....all in good fun I guess but he needs to check himself.

I'll help you;

1. He is a diver of the worst kind. Push, wait for the retaliation, take a dive like you have been shot. I hate tools like that.
2. He plays for the filth
3. He is a typical Cornes - full of their own importance
4. Like all Cornes' he likes to shoot his mouth off. Remember "Dream Final"?? Gotta love those Cornes boys.
5. His face is slowly morphing in to an exact replica of my left testicle

Does that help?

 

[Roo Lives Again]

Haven't gone through all 35 pages of this thread, so sorry if this has already been raised.

How could Matty Wright possibly be named in the team? I really like the guy and he was killing it in 2012 but his game since then has gone backwards.

Despite playing massive amounts of game time on the ball and half forward this year, he's only averaging just over 10 touches, 3 tackles and hasn't troubled the scorers. Talia, Hartigan and Browny have all had more touches. He's also averages a clanger every five touches. No wonder I shiver whenever he gets the pill. Jaenschy has had twice as much ball this season for one less clanger. How does this fit with Walshy's elite standards? At his age and level of experience and skill he should be getting 20 a game and dobbing a couple of goals every other week.

I can't see how he's keeping Matty Crouch out of the team. Lyons and maybe even Grigg should be ahead of him at this stage.

Like I said, I've got nothing against him personally but purely based on form he should be back gettin some touch in the Sanfull.

Am I missing something? Haven't noticed he's been tagging all that much - if he was surely his tackle count would be through the roof.

Considering Neither Lyons not Grigg are setting the world on fire you'd have to wonder if Crouch is really any good. If he is then why isn't he even getting a look in?

 

[Roo Lives Again]

I'll help you;

1. He is a diver of the worst kind. Push, wait for the retaliation, take a dive like you have been shot. I hate tools like that.
2. He plays for the filth
3. He is a typical Cornes - full of their own importance
4. Like all Cornes' he likes to shoot his mouth off. Remember "Dream Final"?? Gotta love those Cornes boys.
5. His face is slowly morphing in to an exact replica of my left testicle

Does that help?

And I still remember him holding McLeod a hundred metres off the ball in every showdown. What a w***er

 

[Vader]

Vader, as much as I love you, and you know I do, you were completely blindsided by the dropping of Reilly last year. In fact we could just change the names and you were saying the exact same thing. Just because a player is selected this week doesn't mean that he's not one poor game away from getting dropped.

Honestly, I'm not trying to defend the incumbents or argue that they deserve to continue being picked. The fact is that there are several players in our team who are living on borrowed time - when someone better comes along they should find themselves in the SANFL. The fact that none of them show any sign of being displaced by the likes of Lyons/Grigg/Crouch says more about the youngsters than it does about the incumbents.

 

[Roo Lives Again]

He also said teams copy the 'good' sides...you're so vain I bet you think this song is about you don't you

 

[Bring back Bas]

Agreed, I haven't seen anything for a long time from Lyons at an AFL level that says he's worthy of a spot in the team. M Crouch has never really impressed me (admittedly he hasn't had any AFL time this year though) and Grigg appears to have taken a step backwards. I thought he was great in 2013! Put money on him for the rising star.

I think it is a bit unfair to put M.Crouch in the same category as Lyons and Grigg. Lyons and Grigg are in their 5th and 4th years on the list respectively and are still struggling to play regular senior football. M.Crouch is only 4 rounds into his second season and possibly would have been playing if it weren't for his preseason injury. His year form last season was very good for a first year player. At the moment all three are giving similar outputs but generally 2nd year players have a lot more development in them than players in their 4th and 5th seasons.

 

[DJ75]

And I still remember him holding McLeod a hundred metres off the ball in every showdown. What a ******

I don't mind that - it's his job and if it helps his team win then fine. What I do hate is when you know what you are doing is being a prick and then someone goes you a slight bit back and you squeal to the ump like a little bitch. It's pathetic. If you can't take it, don't give it out.

 

[Tex Danger]

Besides Bulldogs how many goals has he conceded and who is our second tall defender?

did you not read what you quoted

it isn't just about how many goals he has conceded. He has big problems with what he does when he has the ball that also cost us goals/momemtum.

He didn't concede many goals vs the Roos because we were so dominant. Whenever he was 1-on-1 he was far from convincing IMO.

He conceded a heap vs the dogs. Fair call that people want to say the supply made it hard for him, it did. But it also made it easy for him rd 1 so it goes both ways.

Every game he has had at least 1 terrible moment with ball in hand.

Ill put it out there that I didn't expect him to be dropped as I didn't think we had the luxury/option because I agree, who is our 2nd tall. Obviously it will be cheney and I think Hendo then has to be 3rd tall (maybe Kelly). While its not ideal people putting it down as a knee jerk are IMO underrating our coaching staff to think they would make the decision on a whim

 

[Draft Bored]

I think it is a bit unfair to put M.Crouch in the same category as Lyons and Grigg. Lyons and Grigg are in their 5th and 4th years on the list respectively and are still struggling to play regular senior football. M.Crouch is only 4 rounds into his second season and possibly would have been playing if it weren't for his preseason injury. His year form last season was very good for a first year player. At the moment all three are giving similar outputs but generally 2nd year players have a lot more development in them than players in their 4th and 5th seasons.

Yep. Agree with you. Would rather see him in the team than Lyons.

 

[Elite Crow]

did you not read what you quoted

it isn't just about how many goals he has conceded. He has big problems with what he does when he has the ball that also cost us goals/momemtum.

He didn't concede many goals vs the Roos because we were so dominant. Whenever he was 1-on-1 he was far from convincing IMO.

He conceded a heap vs the dogs. Fair call that people want to say the supply made it hard for him, it did. But it also made it easy for him rd 1 so it goes both ways.

Every game he has had at least 1 terrible moment with ball in hand.

Ill put it out there that I didn't expect him to be dropped as I didn't think we had the luxury/option because I agree, who is our 2nd tall. Obviously it will be cheney and I think Hendo then has to be 3rd tall (maybe Kelly). While its not ideal people putting it down as a knee jerk are IMO underrating our coaching staff to think they would make the decision on a whim

I read but you dismissed too easily his primary role as a defender is too stop goals. He conceded a heap against WB on the wrong match up but before that he has been ok.

Yes he has brain fades but given we don't have anyone else with suitable height against tall forwards I will take a punt on that rather than having undersized defenders being monstered by taller forwards. Cheney got killed last year by tall forwards and he was beaten by Butcher this year.

 

[bigdaddymuff]

Phil is giving Wrighty, vB and DMac every chance to show that they can play their role in the new game plan.

VB and DMac are clearly playing their roles better than Wright.

VB is a hard nut who leads the club in tackles (24), DMac is 5th (19), Wright (12) is behind Kelly and Thompson, who've only played two games.

DMac is a massive 2-way gut-runner - he's second at the club on combined rebound and inside 50s (30). Only behind Brodie Smith, who is an All-Australian machine. He's played some average games, but at least he killed it against Melbourne.

Wright used to be a fierce tackling, goalkicking forward cum midfielder. But no tackles, no goals and no possies tells the story.

 

[bigdaddymuff]

generally 2nd year players have a lot more development in them than players in their 4th and 5th seasons.

Unless you're yo yo man, but he's a one off.

 

[Tex Danger]

I read but you dismissed too easily his primary role as a defender is too stop goals. He conceded a heap against WB on the wrong match up but before that he has been ok.

Yes he has brain fades but given we don't have anyone else with suitable height against tall forwards I will take a punt on that rather than having undersized defenders being monstered by taller forwards. Cheney got killed last year by tall forwards and he was beaten by Butcher this year.

you dismissed to easily the point I made about the number of goals conceded vs Kangaroos flattered his performance as our midfield dominance meant he wasn't tested a lot. When he was he was far from convincing IMO. As it was the midfield limited supply and certainly good supply.

Do you think he didn't concede many goals that day because of how good he was or because of the midfield dominance?

I honestly felt he was vulnerable that day

 

[Tex Danger]

Yep. Agree with you. Would rather see him in the team than Lyons.

If the reasoning for that is because Crouch is younger and therefor has more time/room to improve then following that would mean CEY is kicking around in the SANFL (and not many would question it either). No reason why Lyons can't do what CEY has done and finally breakthrough with a combination of further development and luck (which he then grabs with both hands like CEY)

 

[VSTone]

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His face is slowly morphing in to an exact replica of my left testicle

you need to get those prunes checked...

 

[knobby]

I'll help you;

1. He is a diver of the worst kind. Push, wait for the retaliation, take a dive like you have been shot. I hate tools like that.
2. He plays for the filth
3. He is a typical Cornes - full of their own importance
4. Like all Cornes' he likes to shoot his mouth off. Remember "Dream Final"?? Gotta love those Cornes boys.
5. His face is slowly morphing in to an exact replica of my left testicle

Does that help?

Your left testicle looks like Graham ?

 

[Bicks]

People keep saying this, despite all evidence to the contrary. We get a new coach.. expectations are that Lyons, Grigg & Crouch will become fixtures. What happens? CEY goes past them like a rocket and they still find themselves on the outer.

It may just be that the players in question aren't as good as people seem to think they are. There is no indication at all that any of them is getting closer to displacing a Wright/VB/Mackay/(insert your favourite whipping boy here) from the senior team. Two coaches have left them on the outer - there has to be a reason for this.

No mention there that M. Crouch was in a moon boot for 4 weeks and unable to do any training for 6 weeks from mid January with an ankle ligament tear that severely interrupted his pre-season. I don't recall Lyons, CEY or Grigg as having had any such pre-season setbacks??

 

[Bicks]

Your left testicle looks like Graham ?

Graham's probably got more wrinkles!!

Edit: In his face!

 

[fabs33]

Honestly, I'm not trying to defend the incumbents or argue that they deserve to continue being picked. The fact is that there are several players in our team who are living on borrowed time - when someone better comes along they should find themselves in the SANFL. The fact that none of them show any sign of being displaced by the likes of Lyons/Grigg/Crouch says more about the youngsters than it does about the incumbents.

So it says more about those players than the incumbents? What do you call Wright being selected as the sub against Melbourne then, an endorsement?

You often determine player's values based on that mythical pecking order of yours which seems almost exclusively based on who's selected and who's not. As supporters we may get passionate to the point that we want the trigger pulled sooner rather than later, but just because a player gets selected doesn't mean that they're not well and truly in the coach's cross-hairs as well.

 

[fabs33]

No mention there that M. Crouch was in a moon boot for 4 weeks and unable to do any training for 6 weeks from mid January with an ankle ligament tear that severely interrupted his pre-season. I don't recall Lyons, CEY or Grigg as having had any such pre-season setbacks??

Or that Lyons was doing a Spiderman impersonation during the preseason.

 

[Bring back Bas]

VB and DMac are clearly playing their roles better than Wright.

VB is a hard nut who leads the club in tackles (24), DMac is 5th (19), Wright (12) is behind Kelly and Thompson, who've only played two games.

DMac is a massive 2-way gut-runner - he's second at the club on combined rebound and inside 50s (30). Only behind Brodie Smith, who is an All-Australian machine. He's played some average games, but at least he killed it against Melbourne.

Wright used to be a fierce tackling, goalkicking forward cum midfielder. But no tackles, no goals and no possies tells the story.

With well considered posts like that you really should post more often than 4 times every 6 years.

Wright was one of our better players last week and therefore doesn't deserve to get dropped but before that he looked very close to being out of the side, hence him being subbed out in round 2 and the starting sub in round 3. He will want to put some good games together because it appears he has been one of the last picked in the last three games.

Unless you're yo yo man, but he's a one off.

Excuse my ignorance. Yo yo man?

 

[Cleric]

Hope Wright gets dropped for this game. If not I just dont get it.

 

[Jack is Back]

VB and DMac are clearly playing their roles better than Wright.

VB is a hard nut who leads the club in tackles (24), DMac is 5th (19), Wright (12) is behind Kelly and Thompson, who've only played two games.

DMac is a massive 2-way gut-runner - he's second at the club on combined rebound and inside 50s (30). Only behind Brodie Smith, who is an All-Australian machine. He's played some average games, but at least he killed it against Melbourne.

Wright used to be a fierce tackling, goalkicking forward cum midfielder. But no tackles, no goals and no possies tells the story.

I said Phil was giving him the opportunity to play his role, I didn't say I knew what the role was . I was too busy enjoying the Kangas match to work it out. I did try and check his match ups in the Collingwood and Melbourne matches and he didn't seem to be "tagging" a particular defender. I didn't see the Doggies match live but he seemed to be playing the same role as our other forwards (waving goodbye to the Doggie backmen as they ran past him). I will try and check it out on Sunday providing I do not have to retire to the Bar to lessen the pain.

 

[Vader]

So it says more about those players than the incumbents? What do you call Wright being selected as the sub against Melbourne then, an endorsement?

I think it was made abundantly clear to him that the coach wasn't happy with his performance against Melbourne. At the end of the day though, he was still selected in the 22, with Grigg/Lyons/Crouch all playing SANFL.

You often determine player's values based on that mythical pecking order of yours which seems almost exclusively based on who's selected and who's not. As supporters we may get passionate to the point that we want the trigger pulled sooner rather than later, but just because a player gets selected doesn't mean that they're not well and truly in the coach's cross-hairs as well.

Of course it's based on whose selected and who's not.. Other than those who are MIA due to injury, it's the strongest indication we have of a player's standing at the club.

Crouch is a slightly different case to the other two. He missed a lot of the pre-season due to injury and he's only in his second year. I don't think he's overly talented - we'll certainly be downgrading if/when he does replace Thompson. However, he still has improvement left which should see him rise up the pecking order in the not too distant future.

Grigg & Lyons have been on the fringe ever since they arrived at the club. They've played under two coaches now and neither has ever looked like cementing a place in the best 22. They've been around for long enough now that they should be in the best 22 if they are ever likely to get there, noting that they're both midfielders (as distinct from talls who take longer to mature).

I have no problem if the coach pulls the trigger on a player like Wright, DMac or VB. These players are all relatively limited and I think they will only remain in the team until someone better comes along, much the same as Cameron's arrival last year spelled the end of Petrenko's career. Despite their limitations they are clearly preferred to Lyons/Grigg/Crouch.. The fact that these kids are unable to displace some fairly limited players says that they're not as good as many BigFooty fans seem to think they are.

 

[Vader]

Hope Wright gets dropped for this game. If not I just dont get it.

Pretty much no chance of that happening, given that he has been named in the starting 18. The 3 omissions always come from the extended bench.