List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[JackOutback]

So he has formed that opinion based on rubbish, you can argue that.

But you can’t tell him his opinion is not his opinion.

You can't tell him his opinion is not his opinion but you can tell him his opinion is wrong. If it's my opinion that the earth is flat, my opinion is wrong. Not all of Miguel Sanchez's examples were ideal ones, but some opinions can be wrong if they don't correlate with fact.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Not all of Miguel Sanchez's examples were ideal ones,

In my opinion they were, so there.

 

[eaglevision]

You can't tell him his opinion is not his opinion but you can tell him his opinion is wrong. If it's my opinion that the earth is flat, my opinion is wrong. Not all of Miguel Sanchez's examples were ideal ones, but some opinions can be wrong if they don't correlate with fact.

No you can’t. You can say that opinion has been formed poorly and not based on fact, but you can’t say it’s wrong. It’s his opinion.

 

[eaglevision]

In my opinion they were, so there.

Exactly!

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Read this morning that Hawk's pick 12 will be enough to get the deal done for Barrass, and then we're trading that on to get Baker from Richmond.

So essentially Barrass for a mediocre 27 year old mid who will be retired by the time the Eagles get near the 8.

And it wasn't even satire.

You'd be happy with this hey twce13 ? Master stroke of list management.

Not sure your source but Ralph in HUN wrote in today’s trade wrap that the general view in AFL experts is that 12 and 27 is about right for Barrass and I tend to agree with that. Ralph then wrote that in his opinion, Eagles should give up 12 for Baker. Ralph was the protagonist that reported numerous times last year that West Coast would 100% split the No 1 pick for local WA talent so his track record is crap

So maybe go and re read the article or get greater sources because you are starting to panic and cast judgement yet you know SFA on the specifics.

 

[Altum Volantes]

That would be valid if

The first time he got a real, extended shot at playing the position he was drafted for, not being stuck behind out two most prolific goalscorers... ever, he didn't perform so well he was a serious Coleman contender for a significant portion of the year (and is still fourth). In a bottom four team.

But he did.

Very happy to see him continue to perform at a high level moving forward…

 

[JackOutback]

No you can’t. You can say that opinion has been formed poorly and not based on fact, but you can’t say it’s wrong. It’s his opinion.

If it's my opinion I can flap my arms and fly, can I fly?

If the answer is no, then my opinion was not based on fact and it turns out my opinion was, wait for it, wrong. The idea that everyone's opinion is valid and needs to be respected is absurd. We can acknowledge their opinion and then point out that it's ****ing stupid and factually wrong.

 

[bzparkes]

If it's my opinion I can flap my arms and fly, can I fly?

That's a belief, not an opinion.

I mean, the song's literally called "I believe I can fly", not "My opinion is that I can fly".

 

[KBLT]

If I disagree with someones opinion based on my own subjective belief, like say which flavour of Smith's chips are the best (salt and vinegar), that's just a clash of opinions. If I tell them they're empirically incorrect based on that, then I'm acting overly argumentative.

If I tell someone that their opinion is wrong based on factual evidence, for instance that no, the Earth isn't flat, then that's facts vs opinion, and I'm completely within my rights to tell them they're wrong. Doesn't mean they have to listen, but that doesn't make their opinion correct.

 

[Keys]

My opinion is that this opinion discussion is tiresome and boring

I am also of the opinion that I should start applying thread bans for people who want to keep posting their opinion about opinions

And that opinion is a fact

 

[KBLT]

Yeah, enough of getting sucked into stupid arguments.

Anyway, journalist number 1125487 said we should trade 12 for Baker, I'm gonna go burn my membership, be back in a jiffy.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

My opinion is that this opinion discussion is tiresome and boring

I am also of the opinion that I should start applying thread bans for people who want to keep posting their opinion about opinions

And that opinion is a fact

Was waiting for your entrance.

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[Elite Pete]

Would hope this is the lowest standard this thread would get to but remembered last game coming up this weekend and 6 weeks before trade period begins.

 

[Goomba1973]

In this draft we must address our biggest issues. Ruck and Midfield.
If Hewett can overcome his foot injury and become an AFL midfielder, that would be a huge plus, 50/50 if he’ll ever get over the problem.
We must plan though as if he won’t.
Draft the best mid available with our 1st pick, and be aggressively looking to trade for a ruckman from another club.
If we don’t get a decent ruckman for 2025, it could be Groundhog Day.
I have a bit of faith in Pyke and list management, I’m sure they’ll be doing all in their power to make it happen.
Disappointing that the highly touted Barnett has given us zero to get enthused about.

I think we need 2 more mids a bull and a magnet and skip the ruck this off season. I think we wait a year and throw the kitchen sink at Tom DeKoning next year, .... start sounding him out now and make a hard play at him. If we went hard at a ruck this off season who would we go after that is better that Flynn? not much on offer at the moment via trade or draft. Rucks take time, Barnett was only drafted in 2022 and is starting to show a bit more output in the second half of this season. We should start seeing what he is touted for mid to late next season . Us punters are notoriously impatient with rucks.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Pick 12 for Liam Baker

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Liam Baker

Age

26

Ht

173cm

Wt

72kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.7

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

7.9

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

2.6

4star

MG

222.2

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.9

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

3star

MG

191.9

3star

D

14.4

4star

K

6.2

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

224.2

4star

and the rights to microwave memberships due to dumb decisions and its a deal.

We might not get it, but we should ask for the right to dump chicken poop out the front of the club as well.

 

[Elite Pete]

I think need 2 more mids a bull and a magnet and skip the ruck this off season. I think we wait a year and throw the kitchen sink at Tom DeKoning next year, .... start sounding him out now and make a hard play at him. If we went hard at a ruck this off season who would we go after that is better that Flynn? not much on offer at the moment via trade or draft. Rucks take time, Barnett was only drafted in 2022 and is starting to show a bit more output in the second half of this season. We should start seeing what he is touted for mid to late next season . Us punters are notoriously impatient with rucks.

Next to no chance of TDK. His family are always in the rooms and would have plenty of suitors in Vic and paying big cash as well.

Barnett looks more suited to CHB imo.

Reidy in the one this year but sounds like he is happy to stay at Freo on a 1 year deal. Would need to get in his ear asap.

AFL ruck back ups ain’t setting the world on fire atm. Options for us look pretty empty imo. I think we may have to go a state league ruck and hope Flynn comes good. Just his numbers he had at GWS would do.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Not sure your source but Ralph in HUN wrote in today’s trade wrap that the general view in AFL experts is that 12 and 27 is about right for Barrass and I tend to agree with that. Ralph then wrote that in his opinion, Eagles should give up 12 for Baker. Ralph was the protagonist that reported numerous times last year that West Coast would 100% split the No 1 pick for local WA talent so his track record is crap

So maybe go and re read the article or get greater sources because you are starting to panic and cast judgement yet you know SFA on the specifics.

Maybe he just typed 27 wrong?

I could sort of live with 27 for Baker. 12 would be burn the club down level.

 

[Elite Pete]

Not sure your source but Ralph in HUN wrote in today’s trade wrap that the general view in AFL experts is that 12 and 27 is about right for Barrass and I tend to agree with that. Ralph then wrote that in his opinion, Eagles should give up 12 for Baker. Ralph was the protagonist that reported numerous times last year that West Coast would 100% split the No 1 pick for local WA talent so his track record is crap

So maybe go and re read the article or get greater sources because you are starting to panic and cast judgement yet you know SFA on the specifics.

Ralphy said it on MWT last night.

Hase responded on SEN WA today with Eagles 2nd Rd pick should be enough for an OOC player like Baker.

Goss said what most can see and he would bring a lot the Eagles need

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Ralphy said it on MWT last night.

Hase responded on SEN WA today with Eagles 2nd Rd pick should be enough for an OOC player like Baker.

Goss said what most can see and he would bring a lot the Eagles need

You can take the boy out of Richmond, but you can't take Richmond out of the boy

Who does Jon Ralph support?

Always wondered. Anyone help me out?

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[stylish]

My opinion is that this opinion discussion is tiresome and boring

I am also of the opinion that I should start applying thread bans for people who want to keep posting their opinion about opinions

And that opinion is a fact

Thank f**k - my head hurts reading this drivel. Complete waste of cyber-ink.

 

[WA footy mad]

Pick 12 for baker Nah, we dont want Richmonds leftovers. Maybe a pick around 40 at best.

 

[shooshka]

Maybe he just typed 27 wrong?

I could sort of live with 27 for Baker. 12 would be burn the club down level.

23 or 27 or F2.

All are about right (I mean we should still be pushing for 12 + F1 from Hawks, but that’s unlikely. I think I prefer 27 in a deep draft to F1 for F2 swap next year as that is likely what they will ask for).

Baker would improve our side, puts in every week, and can play almost any segment of the ground. He’s no star, but no slouch either. Graham + Baker for say 23 + cap space is good business.


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[Barrybran]

12 for Baker doesn't make any sense. Assuming Richmond are targeting the low- first round value that has been reported, we'd be looking at pick 54 coming across with Baker, which is walk away from the table stuff.

I'd rather give them 23 + F2 for Baker + F3 and let them figure out how to get a first rounder themselves.

 

[Elite Pete]

12 for Baker doesn't make any sense. Assuming Richmond are targeting the low- first round value that has been reported, we'd be looking at pick 54 coming across with Baker, which is walk away from the table stuff.

I'd rather give them 23 + F2 for Baker + F3 and let them figure out how to get a first rounder themselves.

Both teams will have nearly 6 weeks to have it sorted so it’s a day one trade. Along with the TB, get them done and move on to the other targets if that’s picks or players. But let’s be honest it won’t.

 

[bzparkes]

Thank f**k - my head hurts reading this drivel. Complete waste of cyber-ink.

We're close to running out of magenta after that.