List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Yes but cats into another prelim

On Pixel 6 Pro using BigFooty.com mobile app

Hence the gloat! I loathe Port!

 

[FKASC]

Why pay a huge pension to Baker or Graham ?

Because Pyke wants to ‘be aggressive’ this off season.

Anyone know what Adelaide’s recruiting was like while he was their coach? Worried he’ll get us to go all crazy Vossy on us

 

[Dark Sharks]

Baker is worth a mid 20's pick. Anything more, and you are being screwed.

Your pick 23 will be pushed out to pick 26 or 27, so that's about right.

Daresay that's the magic number which would annoy both parties and make them feel like they've been hard done by, so it's exactly where we'll end up.

Same with Dev for our 7th rounder. You'll push for our 6th and pay half his salary, but we'll hold firm.

 

[briztoon]

I don’t want us to be giving up picks in this draft, they need to be used on young talent

Use or F2 plus some steak knives if necessary but that needs to be what we give up, even if Baker is arguably worth more

I’m also not convinced Fremantle will make a better offer

That would be a preferable trade, but that would be screwing Richmond over.

Like it or not, it looks like your club has courted Baker, and you need to get the trade done.

Both sets of fans probably won't like your second round pick for Baker, so that probably makes it fair.

You need to get some genuine AFL talent on to your list, and as much as I don't rate Baker, he's the type you need for the next 5 years.

 

[eaglevision]

Because Pyke wants to ‘be aggressive’ this off season.

Anyone know what Adelaide’s recruiting was like while he was their coach? Worried he’ll get us to go all crazy Vossy on us

Both draft and trade was a disaster.

 

[briztoon]

Daresay that's the magic number which would annoy both parties and make them feel like they've been hard done by, so it's exactly where we'll end up.

Just said the same.

Same with Dev for our 7th rounder. You'll push for our 6th and pay half his salary, but we'll hold firm.

Nahhhh, I'd take that in a heart beat for Dev. He has no future on our list, and no trade value. But we won't pay any of his contract, you'll extend him for three more, beyond next year.

 

[eaglevision]

Just said the same.

Nahhhh, I'd take that in a heart beat for Dev. He has no future on our list, and no trade value. But we won't pay any of his contract, you'll extend him for three more, beyond next year.

Bailey Williams a late 1st or early 2nd do you think?

 

[Wild Kelly]

It's just indicative of the society we live in now.
I can't tell off the tradesmen I have under me anymore because one of them went literally crying to the boss and I got told off for it.

I have to be nice to him despite multiple **** ups.

Participation trophies, attendance certificates at school....shit Iike this has ****ed up kids so when they are adults all they think is necessary is to show up to get a reward.

Give them a bit of encouragement. A pat on the bum should do it!

 

[Matera92]

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That is ****ing nightmare fuel.

 

[twce13]

Hence the gloat! I loathe Port!

I've gotten over my distaste for port. Unless the team is freo, I'm always going interstate over the pricktorians (I say this as a pricktorian myself mind you).

 

[archiemoses]

The more successful Geelong are the less chance they have the draft assets or draft position in 2 years time to acquire Harley Reid

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I’m loving the idea of starting the discussions with Tigers and pick 3 for Baker

Here are the assumptions
Rioli to Suns for pick 6
Bolton to Freo for 10 and Port R1 pick say 15 and some later picks going back
Barrass with fully paid 2 years salary for R1 (12) and F1
Trade to Suns Hawks F1 for Doggies pick 16

Pick 3 and 23 to Tigers for 6 15 and Baker

Take to the draft 6 12 15 16 and anything we get for Ryan and or Darling


Lesson being. Stop pissing your pants about pick 3 and Baker. Look at the whole deal and truth is we collectively know SFA. Oh, and Jon Ralph is flog

 

[random260]

Wow Dev. Not even an emergency. You have to admit this might be his lowest point.

He stayed for finals to not even be named

 

[THE A5]

Port is essentially more successful Freo and their fans are the most feral in the league. Also whats funny is that port like to bring their history with the SANFL and etc but the Power and Magpies aren’t the same entity the two sides are in two different leagues (at least the prictorians have a ground the stand with their flag/history as the VFL turned into the AFL). I’ve lived in Adelaide and as much as I dislike crows, they’re billion times more likeable that Port.

 

[Dylan82]

Apparently the West Coast is desperate for L.Baker as it will struggle to meet minimum spend next year if Barrass leaves and other possible recruits don't eventuate.

Getting the feeling that the club will pay above value here to ensure that doesn't occur.

 

[ronpingwins]

Apparently the West Coast is desperate for L.Baker as it will struggle to meet minimum spend next year if Barrass leaves and other possible recruits don't eventuate.

Getting the feeling that the club will pay above value here to ensure that doesn't occur.

That is bonkers, surely there’s other ways to manipulate things to reach minimum spend.

Any other details on this or anything else that could be of interest to us that you’ve heard?

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Apparently the West Coast is desperate for L.Baker as it will struggle to meet minimum spend next year if Barrass leaves and other possible recruits don't eventuate.

Getting the feeling that the club will pay above value here to ensure that doesn't occur.

There’d have to be a million ways they can reach salary floor without doing anything too drastic with trade assets.

Waterman’s deal hasn’t been finalised yet - frontload the **** out of it to reflect an AA season and tack some years on.

Same concept with Allen, get to early work on a new deal that brings some $$$ forward.

Go big on Graham’s salary to get Richmond a better compo pick and grease the wheels for Baker.

There’s options that go beyond ‘we won’t meet the floor so trade overs to get him in’, surely.

 

[Bacchus]

I don’t want us to be giving up picks in this draft, they need to be used on young talent

Use our F2 plus some steak knives if necessary but that needs to be what we give up, even if Baker is arguably worth more

I’m also not convinced Fremantle will make a better offer

They won’t.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Was interesting to hear the footy podcast with Schofield and Skeeter Readings this arvo and they brought up the hypothetical trade of Baker and 10 for pick 3 and they both said they'd take it in an instant

 

[Bacchus]

The more successful Geelong are the less chance they have the draft assets or draft position in 2 years time to acquire Harley Reid

Not if they are able to get Bowes and #7 off GC for nothing but money which they wangled.

 

[Keys]

Was interesting to hear the footy podcast with Schofield and Skeeter Readings this arvo and they brought up the hypothetical trade of Baker and 10 for pick 3 and they both said they'd take it in an instant

One thing I’ve noticed with Will, and this is an observation rather than a criticism, is that he’s not really a draft watcher and doesn’t have a good handle on trade values. I get the feeling it’s not really something he’s all that interested in

Pick 3 for Baker and 10 is a horrid trade

 

[Bacchus]

Was interesting to hear the footy podcast with Schofield and Skeeter Readings this arvo and they brought up the hypothetical trade of Baker and 10 for pick 3 and they both said they'd take it in an instant

Bizarre.

Schofield is very critical about the lack of talent on WC’s list.
A moments thought enables the realisation that you are far more likely to get a good player with #3 than #10.

I will be ropable if we cash in #3 for #10 and Baker. Getting to the point where I don’t want Baker at all.
Please Fremantle take him and save us from ourselves.

 

[THE_GUN]

There’d have to be a million ways they can reach salary floor without doing anything too drastic with trade assets.

Waterman’s deal hasn’t been finalised yet - frontload the **** out of it to reflect an AA season and tack some years on.

Same concept with Allen, get to early work on a new deal that brings some $$$ forward.

Go big on Graham’s salary to get Richmond a better compo pick and grease the wheels for Baker.

There’s options that go beyond ‘we won’t meet the floor so trade overs to get him in’, surely.

Excuse the intrusion but i posted similar thoughts on our board

e.g Eagles have made Graham a 4 year deal on say $500k a year
Richmond has matched and lets say increased the offer to $650k x 4 years
Eagles feel that he is a great leader and the perfect fit culturally to lead younger player based on your list managers advise
Decide to up Graham contract to $950k x 4 years ensuring Band 1 for Richmond

Richmond & Eagles cannot agree on a suitable trade for Baker eagles offer F2 and Richmond rightfully reject and demand #12 you get from the Hawks. this goes on until the last day and AFL get called into mediate
No success and Richmond walk out of the negotiations and trade period ends
Baker enters the PSD withonly wanting to go to the eagles

Win / Win just costs West Coast $400k a year more for Graham contract

If Frawley & McKay & Battle get Band 1 no reason to think Graham cant

* Probably let Blight just leave as a delisted free agent as well

 

[THE_GUN]

Was interesting to hear the footy podcast with Schofield and Skeeter Readings this arvo and they brought up the hypothetical trade of Baker and 10 for pick 3 and they both said they'd take it in an instant

I have a sneaky feeling this is the preferred for Blair & Clarke

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Excuse the intrusion but i posted similar thoughts on our board

e.g Eagles have made Graham a 4 year deal on say $500k a year
Richmond has matched and lets say increased the offer to $650k x 4 years
Eagles feel that he is a great leader and the perfect fit culturally to lead younger player based on your list managers advise
Decide to up Graham contract to $950k x 4 years ensuring Band 1 for Richmond

Richmond & Eagles cannot agree on a suitable trade for Baker eagles offer F2 and Richmond rightfully reject and demand #12 you get from the Hawks. this goes on until the last day and AFL get called into mediate
No success and Richmond walk out of the negotiations and trade period ends
Baker enters the PSD withonly wanting to go to the eagles

Win / Win just costs West Coast $400k a year more for Graham contract

If Frawley & McKay & Battle get Band 1 no reason to think Graham cant

* Probably let Blight just leave as a delisted free agent as well

You have made some fundamental errors with your post

1. You did not come in peace, you asked to be excused

2. Your maths is wrong. $950k is $450k above the supposed offer not $400k. In other words it is pretty close to double what we supposedly offer because he is a nice guy. The Nice Guy excuse only works for Brisbane and Cameron.

3. To pay a spud that much and give you pick 2, thereby moving us back to pick 4 plus a further drop back of 12 to 13, the 2 clubs would need to be in cahoots. Yet your scenario suggest we are arguing on the Baker trade.

4. If we generate pick 2 for Graham, I would expect your club would give us a share of the bounty. Using your logic, the suitable counter would be that you say thank you for 2 and 24 (23 now 24) and hand over Bolton and Baker as well. Tigers should be happy with 2 and 24 for those 2 players and Eagles happy we get Bolton and Baker for the cost of a 1 place push back on our picks and the loss of pick 23.

5. Nothing stopping Norf from picking Baker in the PSD. Baker is already in Melbourne and Norf could benefit from him. Why not test his resolve and call his bluff. If he refuses to adhere to the draft rules, he will be banned by the AFL and miss out on a multi million dollar deal.

6. In what world is Baker worth pick 12?


I checked the date and comfortable it is not April Fools Day

Therefore my only explanation for your post is thinking you must be Jon Ralph’s nephew.

Next time you think you have another deal like this one, save the embarrassment and keep on your own board