List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

[Keys]

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Trade period
In: 12, F1, F2, F3, 73, Baker, Owies, Graham*
Out: 3, 63, F4, Barrass, Darling

*Free agent

Done deals

• Jai Culley, Alex Witherden
  23

  Alex Witherden

  Age

  26

  Ht

  188cm

  Wt

  85kg

  Pos.

  Def

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  20.7

  5star

  K

  15.2

  5star

  HB

  5.5

  4star

  M

  6.2

  5star

  T

  1.8

  4star

  MG

  386.5

  5star

  D

  13.0

  3star

  K

  10.0

  4star

  HB

  3.0

  2star

  M

  7.0

  5star

  T

  0.0

  1star

  MG

  201.0

  3star

  D

  24.0

  5star

  K

  15.4

  5star

  HB

  8.6

  5star

  M

  5.8

  5star

  T

  2.2

  4star

  MG

  380.2

  5star

  and Coby Burgiel delisted
  • Burgiel to be considered as a train on player

• Tom Barrass traded to Hawthorn
  • In: F1, F2, F3 (HAW)
  • Out: Barrass, F4

• Liam Baker and Matt Owies join West Coast in Pick 3 trade
  • In: Baker, Owies, 12, 73
  • Out: 3, 63, 68

• Jack Darling traded to North Melbourne for Pick 67

• Jack Graham joins West Coast as UFA

• Jake Waterman re-signs with West Coast until at least 2029

• Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones
  31

  Jamaine Jones

  Age

  26

  Ht

  180cm

  Wt

  80kg

  Pos.

  D/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  9.0

  2star

  K

  4.8

  2star

  HB

  4.2

  3star

  M

  2.1

  2star

  T

  3.8

  5star

  MG

  159.6

  3star

  D

  10.5

  3star

  K

  6.5

  3star

  HB

  4.0

  3star

  M

  2.5

  3star

  T

  4.0

  5star

  MG

  196.5

  3star

  D

  9.0

  3star

  K

  4.2

  2star

  HB

  4.8

  4star

  M

  2.4

  3star

  T

  4.2

  5star

  MG

  166.0

  3star

  and Jordyn Baker delisted

• Archer Reid (2027), Loch Rawlinson (2025), and Coen Livingstone (2025) sign extensions

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I'll counter that with some of the best I ever saw - hockey, not footy. Just to try and restore your faith.

Under 11s hockey game and we had just scored a goal on the opposition. As me and other players were jogging back to our spots, post-goal, the goalie came up behind the bloke who scored the goal and whacked him in the back of the head.

The coach (and a parent of another kid) made him stand behind the goals for the remainder of the game, and didn't replace the goalie. Being merciless 10 year olds, we ended up piling on about 15 goals that day. Even as a kid I thought that was a remarkable way to show this kid the consequences of his actions on people he cared about (his teammates, not him personally).

There's teaching someone the consequences of their actions, then there's public humiliation and collective punishment that will lead to further victimisation from his friends.

He was 10 for christs sake.

Would not recommend this approach.

 

[Bender_]

Can't wait for Keys to chip in about the time his parents confiscated his hoop and stick game for not finishing his bowl of liver with onions and he's never been the same since.

 

[swingdog]

Kids these days. They don't know how unlucky they are not to have some alcoholic father yell at them for being shit, as he takes it out on them that he works in a dead end job and didn't make it to the AFL, despite being 5"8, having no discernible athletic traits and being overweight since he was in primary school.

I coach junior and women's soccer.

Believe me, there's still a lot of angry, frustrated men working out their issues on the sideline every weekend.

 

[Smotie2]

I was a manager in hospitality for 10 years before moving into IT and I worked in some high end properties with very accomplished chefs.

I was able to get the best out of my teams without screaming and yelling at them but rather I put the time in to understand how to get the best out of them, even if I myself respond better to direct criticism.

Younger generations simply don't give a shit when someone loses their lolly anymore, especially in hospitality, because it's so easy for them to get another job, whilst it's difficult to find good staff.

It's really not that difficult to manage them without losing your cool.

You obviously think telling someone off means losing your cool.

I'm not advocating being a campaigner or screaming at people although it may have helped our footy team at times.

Just talking about addressing the errors and highlighting the **** ups and asking them to comply with regulations and do a better job.

Some don't like that at all and go to water because they have been raised with padding their entire lives and rewarded for showing up thinking that's all you have to do.

People who pay you a wage expect results

 

[bzparkes]

You obviously think telling someone off means losing your cool.

I'm not advocating being a campaigner or screaming at people although it may have helped our footy team at times.

Just talking about addressing the errors and highlighting the **** ups and asking them to comply with regulations and do a better job.

Some don't like that at all and go to water because they have been raised with padding their entire lives and rewarded for showing up thinking that's all you have to do.

People who pay you a wage expect results

Oh I'd tell people off all the time but it's how you do it that's important.

People are generally far more receptive if you explain to them their mistake, why it was bad and how they can avoid it next time.

Obviously if they're consistently ****ing up the same thing then that's an issue and they need to understand that's unacceptable and there will be consequences but it's not necessary to be a dick about it, unlike some people I've seen in my time.

 

[pantskyle]

Can't wait for Keys to chip in about the time his parents confiscated his hoop and stick game for not finishing his bowl of liver with onions and he's never been the same since.

Was the hoop invented? Barely had the wheel I heard.

 

[pantskyle]

Don't wow me bender.

 

[Bender_]

Was the hoop invented? Barely had the wheel I heard.

The hoop, stick and his shoes were made of stone.

 

[Bender_]

Don't like me pants

*inb4idont

 

[THE A5]

There's teaching someone the consequences of their actions, then there's public humiliation and collective punishment that will lead to further victimisation from his friends.

He was 10 for christs sake.

Would not recommend this approach.

Yeah take him home and get out that old leather belt

 

[Bacchus]

Excuse the intrusion but i posted similar thoughts on our board

e.g Eagles have made Graham a 4 year deal on say $500k a year
Richmond has matched and lets say increased the offer to $650k x 4 years
Eagles feel that he is a great leader and the perfect fit culturally to lead younger player based on your list managers advise
Decide to up Graham contract to $950k x 4 years ensuring Band 1 for Richmond

Richmond & Eagles cannot agree on a suitable trade for Baker eagles offer F2 and Richmond rightfully reject and demand #12 you get from the Hawks. this goes on until the last day and AFL get called into mediate
No success and Richmond walk out of the negotiations and trade period ends
Baker enters the PSD withonly wanting to go to the eagles

Win / Win just costs West Coast $400k a year more for Graham contract

If Frawley & McKay & Battle get Band 1 no reason to think Graham cant

* Probably let Blight just leave as a delisted free agent as well

Graham getting band one free agent compensation and pick12 for Baker are equally absurd propositions.

If Graham is allowed band 1 compensation then that will be the end of that system, possibly for the better.
Average players like Ben McKay and Battle and Graham being taken as elite.

Very few people here would be happy handing over a first round pick for Baker, we would rather he just remain in Melbourne.

Looks like a pretty bitter trade period coming up.

 

[flyinghi64]

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Graham getting band one free agent compensation and pick12 for Baker are both equally absurd ideas.

If Graham is allowed band 1 compensation then that will be the end of that system, possibly for the better.
Average players like Ben McKay and Battle and Graham being taken as being elite.

Very few people here would be happy handing over a first round pick, we would rather he just remain in Melbourne.

Looks like a pretty bitter trade period coming up.

The AFL set a rod for it's own back with McKay. They wanted North to have that band 1 compo in lieu of giving them priority picks, so they set the benchmark to ensure it happened. So we now have players who have never been AA, and wouldn't be considered top 10 for their position are getting Band 1. Just diabolical.

 

[ziad]

There's teaching someone the consequences of their actions, then there's public humiliation and collective punishment that will lead to further victimisation from his friends.

He was 10 for christs sake.

Would not recommend this approach.

Adult leaders praise in public and correct in private. It's an immutable rule.

 

[Bacchus]

We aren't getting 2 first rounders for a 30 year old. Just isn't happening

His age keeps going up. Years pass in days.

 

[KBLT]

Was the hoop invented? Barely had the wheel I heard.

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[TY24]

The hoop, stick and his shoes were made of stone.

I heard Keys' family portraits were etched into stone tablets.

 

[WCE_authentic]

Excuse the intrusion but i posted similar thoughts on our board

e.g Eagles have made Graham a 4 year deal on say $500k a year
Richmond has matched and lets say increased the offer to $650k x 4 years
Eagles feel that he is a great leader and the perfect fit culturally to lead younger player based on your list managers advise
Decide to up Graham contract to $950k x 4 years ensuring Band 1 for Richmond

Richmond & Eagles cannot agree on a suitable trade for Baker eagles offer F2 and Richmond rightfully reject and demand #12 you get from the Hawks. this goes on until the last day and AFL get called into mediate
No success and Richmond walk out of the negotiations and trade period ends
Baker enters the PSD withonly wanting to go to the eagles

Win / Win just costs West Coast $400k a year more for Graham contract

If Frawley & McKay & Battle get Band 1 no reason to think Graham cant

* Probably let Blight just leave as a delisted free agent as well

How does it look for culture when you ship out an underpaid Barrass who broke his back for the side. To bring in a couple of go home mummies boys from a failing club and pay 4x more than Harley is getting.

 

[THE_GUN]

How does it look for culture when you ship out an underpaid Barrass who broke his back for the side. To bring in a couple of go home mummies boys from a failing club and pay 4x more than Harley is getting.

Probably the same way it looks when you let Barrass go for not giving him a 100k increase
if its about getting assets then this is exactly the same.

In a perfect world we would have both but when you are where our teams are you need to grab any opportunity you can

 

[mitchzz]

So, does Hawks post season success have any impact on their first round pick and where that falls?

I always thought it was purely based on regular season ladder standing at the end of the season

 

[RanaNaved]

I don't see how we get a single 1st round pick for Barrass because he turns 40 in ten years

 

[Dylan82]

So, does Hawks post season success have any impact on their first round pick and where that falls?

I always thought it was purely based on regular season ladder standing at the end of the season

Draft pick positions are based on post-finals results, so it definitely does impact.

Depending on results, it could theoretically fall anywhere between 11 and 18.

 

[mattyc75]

Graham getting band one free agent compensation and pick12 for Baker are both equally absurd propositions.

If Graham is allowed band 1 compensation then that will be the end of that system, possibly for the better.
Average players like Ben McKay and Battle and Graham being taken as elite.

Very few people here would be happy handing over a first round pick for Baker, we would rather he just remain in Melbourne.

Looks like a pretty bitter trade period coming up.

Naive much?

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[WCE_authentic]

Barrass was pushed out for the pick, that is understandable in our situation (I dont know what he was promised). However it is much harder to logically process if they bring in Baker or Graham. Richmond and WCE should not be dealing because they are both in the same situation and so they cant get a mutually beneficial outcome.

 

[Coasters7]

There’d have to be a million ways they can reach salary floor without doing anything too drastic with trade assets.

Waterman’s deal hasn’t been finalised yet - frontload the **** out of it to reflect an AA season and tack some years on.

Same concept with Allen, get to early work on a new deal that brings some $$$ forward.

Go big on Graham’s salary to get Richmond a better compo pick and grease the wheels for Baker.

There’s options that go beyond ‘we won’t meet the floor so trade overs to get him in’, surely.

The Graham one being the most obvious. Huge front ended deal for a short/mid term play, that gets Richmond a good compo pick, which should also reduce the price of Baker.

Really can’t be that hard to work that out with Richmond. Abuse the system to get a win for everybody