List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Post Season

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Latest news and rumours:

  • Oscar Allen and Jake Waterman are set to sign new deals (Code Sports)
    • Allen is due to become a free agent at the end of next season, but is working on a six-year extension
    • Waterman will sign a four year deal, which is "heavily incentives based" and could see him earn up to $1m per year


  • Zane Trew, Jamaine Jones and Jordyn Baker delisted

  • List Manager Matt Clarke appeared on Gettable - Click spoiler below for summary
    On the draft: "We predicted that the draft was strong, but it's probably gotten stronger during the year."

    On top end of draft: "You could probably make five or six different choices and get it right."

    On Pick 3: "I reckon there's five (players) around that mark."

    On splitting: "I think you want to hold an early selection if you can. The depth of this group allows you to maybe have some movement there, and see what you can do to bring in more talent in the first 20-25 picks. Easier said than done, and I think most clubs would be saying the same thing. We'll see what we can do."

    On Liam Baker: "He's still yet to make a decision. They're still weighing up a few things. We'd love to get Liam on board from what he offers from a talent and leadership point of view. We understand where we're at as a group, we're rebuilding our group, we need to add some guys in the middle tier to support our young group."

    On Jack Graham: "We've got a number of players that we're speaking to. A bit of a wait and see on that one as well. We'll talk to a number of guys."

    On Shai Bolton: "I think it will be difficult for anybody, really. He's heavily contracted and a high quality player."

    On James Peatling: "He's heavily involved in a finals series at the moment so I don't want to comment too much on it, but I think there's a number of guys that have been playing really good footy this year that could suit what we do and what other clubs do. He's taken his footy to another level this year."

    On Tom Barrass: "We've had an early discussion with Hawthorn about it, they understand where we're at. He's nominated Hawthorn as his ideal destination. We want what we think he's worth, as a genuine key back in the competition that can do what he can do. We're obviously mindful of getting an appropriate deal for West Coast."

    On Tom Clurey: "Maybe (note: sounded very non enthused). We'd probably need some key back depth, whether that's through the draft or trade and free agency."

    On Jack Darling: "We've had initial discussions with his management group about (moving). We're open to talking, as we are with all of our players, but Jack's contracted with us."

    On Liam Ryan: "I expect him to be at West Coast next year, yes." (The most definitive answer of the day by a mile, a non-starter of a talking point.)

    On out of contact players e.g. Rotham, Witherden, Jones: "We're still working through what it looks like from a list point of view, and how many selections we'll want to have, and players that may come in and potentially may go out. You might want to give a coach an opportunity to look at these guys."

    On Harley Reid: "We've had discussions most of the year with his management group. I think it sits in a really good place. We're open to doing really whatever they want to do to be honest. We're really confident in building the right system around Harley, on and off field, to make sure that he's really comfortable, that he's going to play his best footy, and his long term future."

    On Jake Waterman's new deal: "Yep, really close. We're working really closely with his management on that. I expect that we'll have something done pretty soon."

    On Oscar Allen: "We've been talking with Oscar and his manager most of the year on that one. We're going through some stuff at the moment. I think we'll be ok with that one."






 
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Schoey is friends with current Eagles players like Barrass and Darling so it makes sense that he would have the correct info about their movements.

He has no info about our coach appointment or drafting/trading as his only sources (current Eagles players) don't have that info either.
Didn't Schofield say there's no way we're getting a 1st rounder for barrass?

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Geelong delisting 7 players less than a week after missing a grand final by a whisker. That's how they do it.
They have a coach and they know that they are getting Bailey smith.
We haven't a coach or any ufa players who are committing to us at the moment or what our final picks are.
Why the hurry. I would like to see who might be available before i gut the list like some want.
 

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Do we draft Duursma next year so he can play next to his brother-in-law Harley?
Ofc not. He's a tall FWD. We have literally no space.

We aren't running with a FWD line of 5 KPF (Oscar, Waterman, Archer, Williams) with Duursma LOL.

I'm licking my lips at cody curtin though (KPD)
 
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Ofc not. He's a tall FWD. We have literally no space.

We aren't running with a FWD line of 5 KPF (Oscar, Waterman, Archer, Williams) with Duursma LOL.

Simmo would have

drunk homer simpson GIF
 
Ofc not. He's a tall FWD. We have literally no space.

We aren't running with a FWD line of 5 KPF (Oscar, Waterman, Archer, Williams) with Duursma LOL.

I'm licking my lips at cody curtin though (KPD)
Curtin kicked 12 goals in two games as a forward at Colts level this year.

Will end up as a KPF LOL:drunk:
 
Ofc not. He's a tall FWD. We have literally no space.

We aren't running with a FWD line of 5 KPF (Oscar, Waterman, Archer, Williams) with Duursma LOL.

I'm licking my lips at cody curtin though (KPD)
Will Duursma is 191 cm. Only 1 cm taller than Zane who is considered a high half forward who can take a run in the midfield

Recent midfielders we have drafted
Hewett 186 cm
Harley 187 cm
Ginbey 191 cm

He is the same height as Yeo, 1 cm shorter that Waterman who is a 3rd tall and 4 cm shorter than Patrick Cripps who is a midfielder

Against WA in the carnival, he played wing for a large % of the game.
 
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Ofc not. He's a tall FWD. We have literally no space.

We aren't running with a FWD line of 5 KPF (Oscar, Waterman, Archer, Williams) with Duursma LOL.

I'm licking my lips at cody curtin though (KPD)
Duursma is not a tall forward. He plays HBF and wing at times.
Here's a shot I took of him the other week:
Willem Duursma (1 of 1).jpg
 
More wasted rookie list spots. If we did get extra spots from the AFL why waste them if we can have main list and rookie list spots. For what it's worth Jamieson to the rookie list for the year to see if something clicks is fine, we won't have much kpd depth anyway but sheed,no way.
We'll have the money to spend, buy him out

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The salary cap spend this year unless some very creative restructuring has happened is full. The club can't pay Sheed out. His injury still allows him to play football even if he will never be the same player. My last word was the foot & ankle condition is essentially incurable. He can't feel his foot properly and has no explosive power out of it. He is rehabbing after seeing multiple specialists in one last aim to be fully right for preseason and next year.

If it was to happen it would have to happen after final list lodgement and then he would need to retire opening up an SSP spot. That puts the contract money into next years cap.

If the club wanted to get really creative (They don't treat premiership heroes this way) then they would delist, hope someone picks him up (highly ****ing doubtful) and if not then take him with last rookie pick in the draft.

That then gives you an extra main list spot before the draft if the club needs spots and or wants to go that deep.

It's not a small contract.
 
They might end up losing someone to fit him in. Wouldn't be at all surprised if Brayshaw left should Freo nab Warner. He would become 4th banana at best and I don't know how that would sit with him at his age when he wants to lead and others to follow. He'll be up for contract around the same time, too.
No chance Brayshaw leaves

Where would he go? Family's all in WA.
 

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If we got 2 x extra rookie list spots we could move both sheed and Jamo to the rookie list . We then have 2 extra senior list spots for cheap depth players in trade like Garcia / Robertson / carroll

Both sheed and jamo still play for the beagles .

Its important for beagles to become more competitive and successful so all our young developing guys start enjoying their footy .

Not getting pumped is important too
It's a bit disheartening watching Peel play off in prelims and grandfinals every year with young Freo players getting good exposure whereas we are stand alone and getting pumped with our kids learning nothing.
 
The salary cap spend this year unless some very creative restructuring has happened is full. The club can't pay Sheed out. His injury still allows him to play football even if he will never be the same player. My last word was the foot & ankle condition is essentially incurable. He can't feel his foot properly and has no explosive power out of it. He is rehabbing after seeing multiple specialists in one last aim to be fully right for preseason and next year.

If it was to happen it would have to happen after final list lodgement and then he would need to retire opening up an SSP spot. That puts the contract money into next years cap.

If the club wanted to get really creative (They don't treat premiership heroes this way) then they would delist, hope someone picks him up (highly ****ing doubtful) and if not then take him with last rookie pick in the draft.

That then gives you an extra main list spot before the draft if the club needs spots and or wants to go that deep.

It's not a small contract.
How is the salary cap full for 2025? Gaff, Darling and TBs contracts will be off the books.
 
Plenty of players with ‘family all in one state’ leave and set up to play elsewhere. What makes Andy particularly unique to that? Does Gus still live in Melb?
Dunno about Gus but when Hamish was asked a while back if Andrew would leave to go 'home' he said "Go where? Everyone's here."

Considering he was a Port fan and they spent their early childhood in SA, he could consider going back there, I guess.
 
How is the salary cap full for 2025? Gaff, Darling and TBs contracts will be off the books.

He means the salary cap is full for this year (2024) so retiring/delisting Sheed now isn’t an option. Doing so would mean any payout would fall into the current year for which there’s no room

We would be able to carry Sheed into 2025 and then retire him if his foot doesn’t come good. A player could then be selected as a SSP because we’d have the salary cap space in 2025 to do so
 
He means the salary cap is full for this year (2024) so retiring/delisting Sheed now isn’t an option. Doing so would mean any payout would fall into the current year for which there’s no room

We would be able to carry Sheed into 2025 and then retire him if his foot doesn’t come good. A player could then be selected as a SSP because we’d have the salary cap space in 2025 to do so
Thanks! That's a crazy rule, I don't think a club could ever afford to pay someone out in the current year, unless they were banking salary credits for future years.
 
The salary cap spend this year unless some very creative restructuring has happened is full. The club can't pay Sheed out. His injury still allows him to play football even if he will never be the same player. My last word was the foot & ankle condition is essentially incurable. He can't feel his foot properly and has no explosive power out of it. He is rehabbing after seeing multiple specialists in one last aim to be fully right for preseason and next year.

If it was to happen it would have to happen after final list lodgement and then he would need to retire opening up an SSP spot. That puts the contract money into next years cap.

If the club wanted to get really creative (They don't treat premiership heroes this way) then they would delist, hope someone picks him up (highly ****ing doubtful) and if not then take him with last rookie pick in the draft.

That then gives you an extra main list spot before the draft if the club needs spots and or wants to go that deep.

It's not a small contract.
How on earth can we not have any money? Are we paying all of darlings and barrass's
Contracts?
Just read what Keys wrote. Still highly disappointing. Sheed shouldn't even get games with the beagles and I doubt he'd even want to considering his injuries


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Good point although I do think 3,6,13,20,23 and Champion would be fine from a development point of view. Perhaps we could look to trade 20 or 23 into next year for a F1 on draft night and get the best of both worlds.
I like it from sgio.

Keeping Hawks F1 next year enough. I recon to access picks next year we will be able to trade a F26/27 to get back into it if needed.

3 Draper/FOS
6 trevaglia
13 Lindsay/allen
20 berry/Tauru
23 Whitlock/Mraz
Champion

I honestly recon this is the draft to bring in the kids. Using our F1 to get into it and maintaining Hawks F1 is the play. We just need to hold firm with Hawthorn about 13 F1 without much going back



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Dunno about Gus but when Hamish was asked a while back if Andrew would leave to go 'home' he said "Go where? Everyone's here."

Considering he was a Port fan and they spent their early childhood in SA, he could consider going back there, I guess.

Yeah I like Hammer, but he does say a lot of things! - I guess circumstances might change or there’s the chance a player becomes a bit disillusioned at their club for whatever reason. I don’t know him personally, but players certainly have been known to pack up for a fresh start interstate
 
He means the salary cap is full for this year (2024) so retiring/delisting Sheed now isn’t an option. Doing so would mean any payout would fall into the current year for which there’s no room

We would be able to carry Sheed into 2025 and then retire him if his foot doesn’t come good. A player could then be selected as a SSP because we’d have the salary cap space in 2025 to do so

I think we could still delist him and rerookie him. Same outcome except we free up a senior list spot.
 
Having read an interview with Chad Warner I don’t think he plans on going anywhere.
He’s talking to Swans recruiting staff about his two youngest brothers. He wants them in Sydney to play with him. Does that sound like somebody planning on leaving??
That could also strengthen the argument that he is homesick if he’s reaching out to the club to put more family support around him?

Assuming that all the family except Chad and Corey are still based in WA, then surely Don can find some work for them. Not sure how good the younger brothers are but as long as they can kick then they can probably get a game for the Beagles with ease.
 

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