List Mgmt. Contract, Trade & Draftee Discussion - 2022 Off Season Edition

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Contract status of all players now fully updated

The Contracts Thread

2024 List Changes : Out: Retired- Gaff Delisted - Jones, Trew(R), Baker(R), Witherden, Burgiel, Culley(R), Rotham, L Edwards Traded - Darling (NM) Barrass (Hawthorn) In: Trade/FA acquisitions - Graham (Richmond) Baker (Richmond) Owies (Carlton) Draft - Allan (Pick 16) Shanahan (Pick 30) Gross...

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[briztoon]

Sure, but we are talking about elite (or attempting to be elite) athletes here.

Constant travel & specific dietary requirements aren't cheap. Unlikely they can live in a small town and commute to training and the airport - they would likely need to live near or around the more expensive city areas to make it viable.

Maybe they get by, but it isn't very much money

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I won't pretend I know all the ins and outs of a G league team, but they are attached to, and supported by an NBA team. The players get free accomodation and free medical. They get $50 a day living expenses when they're on the road (that's on top of the free accomodation and transport).

A lot of these players, as in ~50% of the players in the G League, earn significant bonuses throughout the season. If they are added on to a NBA teams preseason roster, they get $50k (plus accomodation, meals, transport, etc). If they get called up during the season, they can earn up to $175k for a 10 day contract (minimum is about $60k).

The average income across the G league, when bonuses are added in, is approximately $250k.

Even on a base wage of $40k, the G League only runs for 5 months. That's $8k a month, with barely any actual living expenses.

Many of these players will play two seasons in a year. They'll play overseas, then come back to the USA and play for a G League team. Or they play in local tournaments.


A couple of these teams are specifically set up for kids who opt not to go to college and chase their NBA dream, but to chase the dream through the development league.

Yes, there's a base salary. But the players are looked after, and have the potential to earn more.

 

[briztoon]

You could live in a share house as a single bloke on that sort of coin but you still wouldn't be living much of a life. Not even clearing a grand a week.

Yeah, see my reply above.

 

[bzparkes]

You could live in a share house as a single bloke on that sort of coin but you still wouldn't be living much of a life. Not even clearing a grand a week.

I career changed during Covid and was on just over $50k for the past 2 years (plus family tax benefit of $460 per fortnight) living in a 2 bedroom apartment in Kangaroo Point in Brisbane, whilst supporting my wife (FT study) and a (soon to be 6yo) daughter.

Pretty easy to afford a comfortable life and still save money and I wasn't even trying that hard.

With Centrelink included, it was approximately $1050pw, after tax. Very livable.

 

[kempy]

For a single kid/man?

Yes it’s below the national average income, but there are a lot of people on this type of income.

I’m no statistician but that’s the thing about an average though. There will be incomes above and below the average. Some much higher and some much lower. Maybe someone could plot the standard deviation of income in Australia?


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[Bender_]

Go to the economics board, nerds.











Just kidding BTW

 

[briztoon]

I’m no statistician but that’s the thing about an average though. There will be incomes above and below the average. Some much higher and some much lower. Maybe someone could plot the standard deviation of income in Australia?


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Last time I googled the average Aussie income, it was ~$87k, but that was before covid.

That's about what the nurses at my work earn. Probably about what a third year teacher earns in QLD. (again before covid, a teacher in QLD with 10 years experience earnt ~$100k).

But we were specifically talking about living on $58k.

I've lived my whole life earning below the Australian average income. I saved $100k in 4 years when earning $1k a week, renting and paying for life's necessities, then bought a house. I still have the same job, even though the pay has obviously gone up, but I still earn well below the national average.

 

[briztoon]

Alex Condon this week named in the Australian Boomers Squad (as a train on) for a pair of upcoming World Cup Qualifiers.
Also starred for WA's winning team in the National Champs last week!

think Basketball is going ok for him at this point...

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/basketball/fiba-world-cup-qualifiers-boomers-urged-to-blood-rocco-zikarsky-in-melbourne-games/news-story/9dc5a4cf5dc745cca3e3b382fddeb9b1

Not on Johnathan Givony's radar for 2024 (well not mentioned in his top 59 prospects). So might still be looking for an AFL career once college is done with.

 

[bzparkes]

Last time I googled the average Aussie income, it was ~$87k, but that was before covid.

That's about what the nurses at my work earn. Probably about what a third year teacher earns in QLD. (again before covid, a teacher in QLD with 10 years experience earnt ~$100k).

But we were specifically talking about living on $58k.

I've lived my whole life earning below the Australian average income. I saved $100k in 4 years when earning $1k a week, renting and paying for life's necessities, then bought a house. I still have the same job, even though the pay has obviously gone up, but I still earn well below the national average.

Weekly average is now $93k, which is absolutely nowhere near what the majority of Australians are actually earning. It's completely inflated by the very high salaries of CEO's, mine workers, specialised IT workers, lawyers, etc, who earn many times the 'average'.

I would say that the majority of working Australians, who didn't go to Uni and study an in-demand field, such as STEM/mining related, would earn $50k-$75k. If you want to earn more than that, you need to study/specialise in an industry, or spend years climbing the ladder.

 

[shooshka]

Weekly average is now $93k, which is absolutely nowhere near what the majority of Australians are actually earning. It's completely inflated by the very high salaries of CEO's, mine workers, specialised IT workers, lawyers, etc, who earn many times the 'average'.

I would say that the majority of working Australians, who didn't go to Uni and study an in-demand field, such as STEM/mining related, would earn $50k-$75k. If you want to earn more than that, you need to study/specialise in an industry, or spend years climbing the ladder.

$90k annual average salary - but $63k is the median (which, in this case is a much better measure as you say the average is inflated by higher figures).

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Thought studying 17-18 year old boys from around the country would have been lucrative.

 

[WCErevival]

AFL median would be interesting.

 

[FKASC]

AFL median would be interesting.

Yeah. Average figure is skewed by Mutimer’s salary

 

[DanWCE]

Weekly average is now $93k, which is absolutely nowhere near what the majority of Australians are actually earning.

93k per week, that's juicy!!! Where do I sign?

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

briztoon how did Dev Rob go today?

 

[briztoon]

briztoon how did Dev Rob go today?

At work unfortunately, only just having lunch now, so missed the whole game.

 

[briztoon]

briztoon how did Dev Rob go today?

Did a quick search in the thread. All positive comments for Dev. Kicked a goal, worked very hard defensively, one poster said he’s a smart player constantly doing the team thing.

 

[Kegs15]

There are teachers in the USA on $40k. As a straight conversion, that’s approximately AUS$58,500.

There are lots of Aussies who live on $58k.

Was just over in the US (only did 4 states though) and we found the conversion deceptive - the flat price numbers seemed the same or more to what they'd be in Aus eg a drink or a grocery item that'd be $12-15 here was 12-15 there. Some stuff cheaper but other stuff like medication/food way more expensive. Especially how they factor in tax and often a 15-20% tip on top of things.

You're right about his travel expenses/medical stuff being paid for though - that'd be massive and it's likely 40k would be his spending money. But I'd struggle big time if I had kids and was only earning 40k as an average joe over there.

 

[JackOutback]

How would he look in blue and gold?

 

[BeornJ]

At work unfortunately, only just having lunch now, so missed the whole game.

He missed the whole game because of work? WTF are you lot paying him?! And what's the median?!

 

[ziad]

93k per week, that's juicy!!! Where do I sign?

Maths school

 

[ziad]

Weekly average is now $93k, which is absolutely nowhere near what the majority of Australians are actually earning. It's completely inflated by the very high salaries of CEO's, mine workers, specialised IT workers, lawyers, etc, who earn many times the 'average'.

I would say that the majority of working Australians, who didn't go to Uni and study an in-demand field, such as STEM/mining related, would earn $50k-$75k. If you want to earn more than that, you need to study/specialise in an industry, or spend years climbing the ladder.

Loverly generalisations. I found myself in a quite
expensive suburb in Sydney - most home owners are tradies.

 

[bzparkes]

Loverly generalisations. I found myself in a quite
expensive suburb in Sydney - most home owners are tradies.

Good for them.

 

[briztoon]

Loverly generalisations. I found myself in a quite
expensive suburb in Sydney - most home owners are tradies.

Successful tradies making $150k+. Lots where I live, and thanks to covid inflation, near impossible to find a house under $1.2m. Plenty over $2m.

 

[Micki Free]

On ballers, key forwards, goal kickers needed next draft

Time to sign off on sheed, gaff, shuey, SPS, west, Clarke sooner rather than later.

 

[briztoon]

On ballers, key forwards, goal kickers needed next draft

Time to sign off on sheed, gaff, shuey, SPS, west, Clarke sooner rather than later.

You just drafted two on-ballers. And a third 5 months before those two.