Review Good/Bad vs Gold Coast, R14 2022

[Crow till I die]

That is ******* s**t and I know where this should be posted

But also and we bang on about it on these boards, look at the draft position of their big 3. Rowell pick 1, anderson pick 2 and miller pick 29. For us the 'big 3' crouch pick 23, laird rookie pick and keays delisted from another club and a freebie.

It says more about our misses in the draft looking at it as had the picks worked out, it would be jones pick 9, pedlar pick 9 and mchenry pick 16 as the starting 3. That jones is likely never going to make it as a mid, mchenry is lucky to be on our list still and pedlar is coming from a long way back fitness wise is either horrendous drafting OR horrendous player development

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Good
Parnell - Went passed 3.5 years of Chayce Jones

1

Chayce Jones

Age

24

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.9

4star

MG

178.6

3star

D

8.9

2star

K

4.9

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

1.4

2star

T

1.6

3star

MG

143.3

3star

D

9.4

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

1.8

4star

MG

175.0

3star

in 2 games
Soligo - Gone past Sholl in 5 games
Berry - Think he's going to be the our best mid in 3 years, hell he was our best today. Is smart around stoppage, would often run and carry at the front of stoppage instead of jamming it on the boot. Hes tracking like Serong in his first and second year.
Dawson - Outrageously good, need to clone him for HF, Wing and HB. Did catch the fumbles late from Doedee and Smith...
Fog - Needs to do it for 4 quarters but showing signs of what he can be more often.

Bad
Skills - Doedee and Smith.
Crouch - I cant anymore
Keays - He's been well off his first month of form, fumbly today.
Hamil - I'm sorry but 5 disposals at this point is unacceptable. A good 5 disposals but this is getting tiring.
Murrary - Not the solution. Find another KPD in the draft. Is Borlase ready?

Were people watching the same game? Dawson was unusually poor in his disposal, and caused a few goals direct from intercept/turnover. Also burned a few goal opportunities. Fair enough he was far from out worst, but to say he had a great game isn’t accurate either.


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[Bearded Clam]

The best thing about this potentially game winning act was how he almost ruined it by giving away a free kick?

I think he was lucky the onfield ump had his view of it blocked by another suns player..

Although the boundary ump couldve said something!..

 

[Sanders]

Were people watching the same game? Dawson was unusually poor in his disposal, and caused a few goals direct from intercept/turnover. Also burned a few goal opportunities. Fair enough he was far from out worst, but to say he had a great game isn’t accurate either.


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Not for the first time, you’re completely on your own

 

[kirky]

The entire story of the game:

Gold Coasts top 3 midfielders in Anderson, Rowell, Miller combined for 71 disposals (48 kicks, 23 handballs) 8 clangers and 20 inside 50's.

Adelaides top 3 midfielders in Laird, Keays, Crouch combined for 100 disposals (35 kicks, 65 handballs) 24 clangers and 5 inside 50's.

Just wow.

Can someone email that to the AFC!

We don’t care if a player gets 30+ possessions, we want quality possessions that hurt the opposition.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Not for the first time, you’re completely on your own

You serious? The poster I responded to insinuated that Dawson ‘caught the fumbles’ late on from Doedee and Smith, like they had a cold or something. Bizarre. He had several glaring mistakes throughout the game

He wasn’t great yesterday at all, still not as bad as Doedee and Smith but he caused 2 goals directly himself, he doesn’t get a pass mark.


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[Hodgy]

The entire story of the game:

Gold Coasts top 3 midfielders in Anderson, Rowell, Miller combined for 71 disposals (48 kicks, 23 handballs) 8 clangers and 20 inside 50's.

Adelaides top 3 midfielders in Laird, Keays, Crouch combined for 100 disposals (35 kicks, 65 handballs) 24 clangers and 5 inside 50's.

So basically our midfield is taking 20 possessions and 5 clangers to achieve 1 inside 50.
we really need to take this into consideration when we judge our forwards.

BTW how is it that we have 592 coaches working full time and they obviously aren’t aware of this basic fact, and so we keep picking the same midfield with the same results.

 

[CrowBloke]

1) I think what nicks was articulating was that had we not given them 4 goals outright from horrendous skill errors in defense under no pressure and not missed a bunch of simple shots at goal, we could have won the game.
2) Going forward, parnell has good footskills. Jones generally has good foot skills. Cook has good footskills, hinge has good footskills. Those 4 should now be playing every week.

1) others have pointed out that Nicks blamed the players, forward and back, but with no mention of the dysfunctional midfield.
Yet I blame Nicks.
The players are confused and scared of making mistakes which (ironically) makes them fumble and make more mistakes. I'd say there is no clear message coming through to them from the Coaches ie "In this situation, do this ...".
2) Jones, I dunno. Jones is the square peg they've tried to put in a couple round holes without the obvious square ie the centre square. Little wonder he's confused.
I agree re: Parnell, Cook, Hinge and Soligo, too. ALL of the Crows would benefit from watching Dawson, at training and in games. His ability to find a teammate by foot is elite and worth emulating.
Why Nicks continues to select Crouch and persists with the unimaginative, ineffective Crouch/Laird/Keays combo is unfathomable to us all, yet Nicks cannot see it. Or won't.

I'm starting to lose confidence in Nicks, who sounded a lot like Shaw when talking about supporter disappointment and player shortcomings.

 

[kirky]

So basically our midfield is taking 20 possessions and 5 clangers to achieve 1 inside 50.
we really need to take this into consideration when we judge our forwards.

BTW how is it that we have 592 coaches working full time and they obviously aren’t aware of this basic fact, and so we keep picking the same midfield with the same results.

Because they have played at the highest level and know better than us who have only watched the game for years.

Interesting that I heard Charlie Dixon say over the weekend he doesn’t watch any other football. I wonder if most AfL players are like that and if it is is norm. Personally, if I wanted to be the best I would be watching more football not less.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

The club was never going to have the patience for a proper rebuild

The biggest concern with this attitude is that at this point, any complaints about an unsuccessful rebuild can be dismissed as impatience.

 

[FR0GGY]

The club was never going to have the patience for a proper rebuild

Not when they know a lot of the supporters just like to make the 8, because anything can happen.

 

[bigman]

Frampton has gone back to the SANFL and is once again proving he shouldn’t have been dropped. He got absolutely no help from the other defenders against Carlton, and plenty of other teams have been smashed by Curnow/McKay.

Butts and Murray are far too similar, and neither help with any creativity down back


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Sorry weeds but billy is not the answer. Cannot defend and panics any time the ball is on the ground and when he is under pressure. Delist material

He is a lovely kick out of defence though

 

[DJ75]

“Stacked”

I was about to post the exact same comment.

Nick's has dug his own grave with that comment. So dumb.

 

[FR0GGY]

The entire story of the game:

Gold Coasts top 3 midfielders in Anderson, Rowell, Miller combined for 71 disposals (48 kicks, 23 handballs) 8 clangers and 20 inside 50's.

Adelaides top 3 midfielders in Laird, Keays, Crouch combined for 100 disposals (35 kicks, 65 handballs) 24 clangers and 5 inside 50's.

This would make a great banner for the team to run through next week.

 

[rocket18]

Nix has already had half a year more than Robert Shaw and the genius’ up top have given him another 2 after this….. can’t see Adelaide breaking out the bottom 4 the next 2 years either.


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Serious?? Two more after this year.

Wow, got to love his blame game to the players and not his coaching.

He's just following the AFC playbook, that's how we roll, he wouldn't have got the job if he thought any differently.

BTW how is it that we have 592 coaches working full time and they obviously aren’t aware of this basic fact, and so we keep picking the same midfield with the same results.

It's quite simple, they are not up to the job, it happens - people are put in roles they should not be in.

Off field is equally as poor by extending Nicks contract and people think Olsen is doing a great job, seems more of the same to me.

Surely if Olsen was doing a half decent job he could've at least put the contract extension on hold till the end of this season, no one was ever going to poach him!!

 

[Scorpus]

The biggest concern with this attitude is that at this point, any complaints about an unsuccessful rebuild can be dismissed as impatience.

IMO the club is trying to retroactively convince supporters they started rebuilding in 2018 to fool them into thinking finals is on the horizon. This is so they don't give up on the club and keep showing up, because there's hope, it'll turn around quickly.

The reality is we spent a full two years chasing finals with a cooked squad and failing, which delayed the rebuild. Then we hit rock bottom in 2020 which is when the real rebuild started and now we're only 3 years in to a likely 7-10 year process. We are nowhere near done with the rebuild even if we got all our decisions right. Likely 12-15 years away with the decisions we did make

 

[Hodgy]

Serious?? Two more after this year.




He's just following the AFC playbook, that's how we roll, he wouldn't have got the job if he thought any differently.



It's quite simple, they are not up to the job, it happens - people are put in roles they should not be in.

Off field is equally as poor by extending Nicks contract and people think Olsen is doing a great job, seems more of the same to me.

Surely if Olsen was doing a half decent job he could've at least put the contract extension on hold till the end of this season, no one was ever going to poach him!!

Unfortunately I think you’re right. What really gets me though is that the guy who puts those people in roles, is still our director of football through all the horrendous decisions, purely because he is a club legend as a player. Seriously Roo’s nickname should be mr Teflon, as nothing seems to stick to him.

 

[AFC979810]

Interesting that I heard Charlie Dixon say over the weekend he doesn’t watch any other football. I wonder if most AfL players are like that and if it is is norm. Personally, if I wanted to be the best I would be watching more football not less.

Watching AFL games on national television isn't really gonna teach someone like Charlie Dixon to be a better player.

The hours in the film room with coaches and film catered to his opponent / his own performance will do that.

 

[Redline]

I’m actually more comfortable with milera in the side now..

He’s been poor for most of the year but in the last 3-4 games he’s start showing glimpses of the Milera we all loved..

Those silky evasive and foot skills are returning and he’s looking like he’s getting back up to the speed of the game.

After being out for two whole years I reacon it could take an entire season.. but i think we have nothing to lose from persisting because we need to prioritise blokes that can actually kick a footy effectively.

I'd agree with this, I think there could be improvement to come from Milera. Not sure when or if we will see it but happy to play guys if they are going to get better. The Coaching staff need to make it happen.

No point playing anyone who has peaked and still not AFL standard.

 

[arsene wenger1]

On a positive note, how strange does it feel to have a wingmen with toughness and courage. Been so used to spaghetti arm wingmen for so long. Soligo is a breath of fresh air

 

[Jetsteam]

So basically our midfield is taking 20 possessions and 5 clangers to achieve 1 inside 50.
we really need to take this into consideration when we judge our forwards.

BTW how is it that we have 592 coaches working full time and they obviously aren’t aware of this basic fact, and so we keep picking the same midfield with the same results.

Totally agree. Einstein said ...the definition

 

[CrowBloke]

Interesting that I heard Charlie Dixon say over the weekend he doesn’t watch any other football. I wonder if most AfL players are like that and if it is is norm. Personally, if I wanted to be the best I would be watching more football not less.

I wouldn't pay much attention to anything Dixon said, but that's just my anti-PA bias kicking in.

If I was playing AFL, I'd watch as much footy as possible to see what the best players/teams are doing, then practice like hell.

 

[jackster83]

Sorry weeds but billy is not the answer. Cannot defend and panics any time the ball is on the ground and when he is under pressure. Delist material

He is a lovely kick out of defence though

He probably could play the role Dawson is playing currently, and then Dawson gets pushed up to the wing.

He is not and never will be a KPD.

 

[Anzacpaul]

The entire story of the game:

Gold Coasts top 3 midfielders in Anderson, Rowell, Miller combined for 71 disposals (48 kicks, 23 handballs) 8 clangers and 20 inside 50's.

Adelaides top 3 midfielders in Laird, Keays, Crouch combined for 100 disposals (35 kicks, 65 handballs) 24 clangers and 5 inside 50's.

Send that in an email to every person at the AFC.

 

[CrowBloke]

I've been thinking about this:

I think what nicks was articulating was that had we not given them 4 goals outright from horrendous skill errors in defense under no pressure and not missed a bunch of simple shots at goal, we could have won the game.

Hmmm ... ... so, in his third year, Nicks is saying that if they hadn't played so badly, they might have actually won the game?
Wow .
Nicks hasn't mentioned (his) selection mistakes or (his) catch-as-catch-can game plan which changes by the week or his faith in Crouch etc etc etc.

If Nicks said once, just once,
"Clearly, I am going to have to make some changes", I'd have some hope.

Right now, I wish I didn't but I want him gone.