Player Watch Nick Daicos - Can he be the GOAT?

[Fadge]

I meant the Brownlow

You meant the Brownlow when you responded to a post about the Coaches Award?

Unsurprising.

 

[Worm4]

Good to see you changed it.

So if you want to go back to 2022, when Cripps had 86 votes and Daicos 30, Cripps outpolls Daicos by 19 votes over the three seasons:

• Daicos' first three years as an AFL player
• Cripps' best three year period in his career, at his peak where he won a Brownlow and is favourite for a second.

Does that make you feel better?

Or would you like me to go back 4 or 5 years?

Is that the only statistic you are going off ? Coaches votes ? Any actual data

 

[Fadge]

Is that the only statistic you are going off ? Coaches votes ? Any actual data

You asked for data, and despite there being an abundance of 'data' in this thread, Gone Critical mentioned Brownlow votes, and I've provided Coaches votes - which is indeed 'data'.

 

[Arr0w]

You asked for data, and despite there being an abundance of 'data' in this thread, Gone Critical mentioned Brownlow votes, and I've provided Coaches votes - which is indeed 'data'.

Votes are opinion, not data

 

[Fadge]

Votes are opinion, not data

OMFG.

Votes from the people who know the most about the game, and watch the game closer than anyone, are merely opinion.... (in your opinion)

 

[Arr0w]

OMFG.

Votes from the people who know the most about the game, and watch the game closer than anyone, are merely opinion....

It's opinion, of umpires for brownlow, coaches for AFLCA, journos for their outlets award

What analytics do they use?

 

[Worm4]

You asked for data, and despite there being an abundance of 'data' in this thread, Gone Critical mentioned Brownlow votes, and I've provided Coaches votes - which is indeed 'data'.

Not exactly data though is it ? Anything statistical , or just the rolling AFL coaches votes

 

[HairyO]

More data...

Coaches votes over past two seasons:
1. Daicos - 183
2. Bontempelli - 176
3. Serong - 167
4. Gulden - 166
5. Butters - 162
5. Neale - 162
7. Merrett - 146
7. Cripps - 146

We know how much McRae loves him.

Only gave Ginnivan 3 votes on Saturday too.

Plays favourites and bares a grudge. How old school of him.

 

[Gone Critical]

Selective stats. Love it.
Cripps got heaps in 2022

You asked for data you got it. There is no better data available. It just shouldn't be in question that he is very close to the best performed player of the last 2 seasons. He will end up with close to top of all awards, almost certainly 2x AA, almost certainly a B&F and 2nd in B&F (would have won 2023 except for missing last 3 games). Top 3 NS. premiership player.

You cant really argue against the data saying he is very close to the best of the last 2 years.

 

[Fadge]

Not exactly data though is it ? Anything statistical , or just the rolling AFL coaches votes

What 'statistics' would be more meaningful than the assessment of the people (coaches) who know the most about the game, and watch the game closer than anyone?

 

[EBERT THE KING]

lat 2 months he has had games with 9,8,7,8,2 votes in the coaches award so that claim seems doubtful. 3 weeks ago he was Brownlow fav and has dropped off and had an off 3. Happens to all players. Just looked at Heeneys 4 weeks prior to the susp has a 3 and a 4 in the AFLCA. They will both still be very high in either awards but have dropped from being the 2 favs.

P.S even though he has dropped off in the last 3 weeks he has still been Collingwoods best player through those weeks. He would have probably gone further ahead in our B&F through those games. Year 3 player drops off for a few weeks but still teams best player, not all doom and gloom.

Definitely not doom and gloom at all. He's a star player. He's just not winning the Brownlow this year.

Not his fault Cripps, Bont, Heeney and Merrett have all had the seasons they have had.

 

[Fadge]

We know how much McRae loves him.

Only gave Ginnivan 3 votes on Saturday too.

Plays favourites and bares a grudge. How old school of him.

And you've already been told, in this very thread, that the possible variation in votes given to Cripps by Voss is significantly greater than the possible variation in votes given to Daicos by McRae.

 

[Fadge]

We know how much McRae loves him.

Only gave Ginnivan 3 votes on Saturday too.

Plays favourites and bares a grudge. How old school of him.

How do you know McRae only gave Ginnivan 3 votes on Saturday?

Sicily got a single 5.

MacDonald and Ginnivan either got 4/4 or 5/3

What makes you assume Ginnivan received only 3 from Fly?

 

[Gone Critical]

We know how much McRae loves him.

Only gave Ginnivan 3 votes on Saturday too.

Plays favourites and bares a grudge. How old school of him.

OMG of all the really bad arguments in this thread this is the worst. McRae manipulates votes

What we can glean from the coaches votes

Sicily got 5 from 1 coach
Moore got 3 from 1 coach
Nash got 2 from both coaches
D'Ambrosio got 1 from 1 coach
Impey got 1 from 1 coach

McDonald got votes from both coaches, either 4,4 or 5,3
Ginnivan got votes from both coaches , either 4,4 or 5,3

Thats all you can know. 50:50 that Ginny got 4 from each yet you go tin hat

If you had any question to ask you would say its interesting one coach gave Sicily 5 and the other none. But that doesnt fit your conspiracy.

 

[Gone Critical]

OMG of all the really bad arguments in this thread this is the worst. McRae manipulates votes

What we can glean from the coaches votes

Sicily got 5 from 1 coach
Moore got 3 from 1 coach
Nash got 2 from both coaches
D'Ambrosio got 1 from 1 coach
Impey got 1 from 1 coach

McDonald got votes from both coaches, either 4,4 or 5,3
Ginnivan got votes from both coaches , either 4,4 or 5,3

Thats all you can know. 50:50 that Ginny got 4 from each yet you go tin hat

If you had any question to ask you would say its interesting one coach gave Sicily 5 and the other none. But that doesnt fit your conspiracy.

Posted too late. Fadge on the money

 

[Walshawk]

OMFG.

Votes from the people who know the most about the game, and watch the game closer than anyone, are merely opinion.... (in your opinion)

Yes, by definition they are opinions.

 

[Worm4]

You cant really argue against the data saying he is very close to the best of the last 2 years.

No, I'm actually arguing the claim that he currently is the best according to your mate.
I'm refuting that claim

 

[Fadge]

Yes, by definition they are opinions.

So people would prefer to see 'statistics' to support a comment that Player A is the best player (or one of the best players) in the competition, as opposed to assessments from the people who know the most about the game, and watch the game closer than anyone?

 

[Fadge]

No, I'm actually arguing the claim that he currently is the best according to your mate.
I'm refuting that claim

Use your 'statistics' to prove that he isn't...

And be sure to understand the statistics you're using to support your claim this time.

 

[Worm4]

Use your 'statistics' to prove that he isn't...

And be sure to understand the statistics you're using to support your claim this time.

Use your statistics to prove that he is the best coz what you've rehashed doesn't put him in the greatest category particularly this season.

 

[Arr0w]

So people would prefer to see 'statistics' to support a comment that Player A is the best player (or one of the best players) in the competition, as opposed to assessments from the people who know the most about the game, and watch the game closer than anyone?

No no, let's take the opinion of an umpire, in fact 4 of them, rather than statistical analysis

Then pitting a coach v another, who vote differently watching the same game, as they have different cognitive bias, priority levels

Statistical analysis on its own if flawed, unless it's parallel with vision, but it's more accurate than a number of people's "opinion" watching the same event

Hence, why I don't rate awards as the best indicator of player rating

 

[Fadge]

Use your statistics to prove that he is the best coz what you've rehashed doesn't put him in the greatest category particularly this season.

'Show your data to prove it!'

[Data shared to support the claim]

'I meant statistics' (even though the data shared was the most appropriate data available)

 

[Worm4]

'Show your data to prove it!'

[Data shared to support the claim]

'I meant statistics' (even though the data shared was the most appropriate data available)

Shall I bring out the AFL coaches award rolling votes for this year? What you consider appropriate data to support your extremely weak argument to try and validate daicos being the best current player in the game as we speak ....

 

[Arr0w]

'Show your data to prove it!'

[Data shared to support the claim]

'I meant statistics' (even though the data shared was the most appropriate data available)

Fadge, it's easy, timestamp this moment, he isn't leading the coaches award, and if he isn't leading the Brownlow after the last round, the current player ratings also mirror that he isn't the best player in the competition this season

 

[Fadge]

Shall I bring out the AFL coaches award rolling votes for this year? What you consider appropriate data to support your extremely weak argument to try and validate daicos being the best current player in the game as we speak ....

More than the 4 weeks you're proposing....

Gone Critical and I have proposed the last two seasons in our earlier posts, which is more than reasonable.