No Prison Bars for Heritage Round

[Malibu#27]

I would expect a statement from the club shortly.

Lets hope it is a good one ????



and if its not good lets hope its bloody loud.... and unwavering

 

[ClintEastwood]

I would expect a statement from the club shortly.

Why?

 

[A Warrior named Lica]

If Eddie/Collingwood had no say, why would the AFL even care if Port wore their rightful heritage jumper?

You'd have to ask them that Pred?
I think you are over rating Eddies influence. I know as fact that AD isnt the biggest fan of Eddie or his machinations, so I doubt he would bow to Eddie on this one.

The AFL has final say, imho.

Oh, and for the record, as a Port Magpies supporter, it wouldn't worry me.

 

[Paralowiepower]

Why?

Well they did when it happened last year.

The article by Rucci to me sounds like the AFL has made its final decision.

 

[Pinepower]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21617621-21543,00.html



One thing Rucci - if you read this, but so far my reading of the Crows fans on this subject amongst those I speak to, and those on this board "in the main" is supportive of us wearing the bars...... don't make this into another us versus then story when its not

I took this article to mean that the Crows people in official positions did not want Port to wear the prison bars.

SANFL should already have spoken out and supported the club and fans. their silence is deafening

 

[Exe Gesis]

I know I say it often, but seriously, it's time PAFC as revenge installed the PB Home guernsey full-time. And challenge the AFL in court to wear whatever a club chooses. For instance, we have black,white,teal,silver in our official colors, yet on our home guernsey for many years we never wore silver, and still don't. So in the same way, we can be those four colors, with the same logo, etc, but have black-white PB and not use or use sparingly teal/silver on the guernsey/shorts/socks as really really thin line somewhere.

Or, at worse, PB in black-silver. AFL cannot legislate against that.

Bottom line, it's time the PAFC borrowed a bit of backbone and bad-ass outlaw attitude like the Oakland Raiders and stand up for itself, thumb its nose at the AFL and Collingwood.

And for those saying it's not Eddie involved. It is. He's the one always voicing about it, he's the one using Ron Evans as the reason etc and the AFL are not keen to contest them either. And, at the same time, the AFL seems focused on re-enforcing the Vic-centricity of late in many other ways like father and son rules.

The good thing about that article is a) how they mentioned that clubs only joined the VFL in the 1920's yet the AFL recognizes their heritage decades before that in the VFA. A separate comp. Yet for PAFC, that same thing isn't done, and b) how they mentioned WHY Port Adelaide was a clear favorite to join the AFL due to their existing traditional historical presence, success and fanbase.

Anyway, I'm full of hate and rage right now about this whole thing, Heritage, PB, illegality of banning colors/designs, the AFL mickey-mouse comp, Collingwood insanity, Eddie, and...the apparent softness or obediance of certain PAFC admin and sponsors etc.

As some have said, why Scott doesn't open up publically as well?

For me, right now, if I were holding any power, if the AFL told me no etc, I'd be going out there right now and getting Reebok to manufacture PB guernseys for Heritage and for home next year. Black-Silver if need be. I'd have lawyers at the ready. I'd be bringing the debate out into the public, media. I'd be also suing the AFL for lost revenue from sales of Heritage Round guernseys for the last 3 years. Enough is enough. No more pussy-footing.

 

[shaz63]

To make a statement this week being the Anzac Game, we show our fighting spirit and all turn up in Prison Bars. This would not only get the message across to the AFL, but the club and Eddie Everywhere that we will not lie down and let them walk all over us.

Show the same strength and guts that our ANZACS did and declare war against the AFL.

 

[PortProudWA]

I know I say it often, but seriously, it's time PAFC as revenge installed the PB Home guernsey full-time. And challenge the AFL in court to wear whatever a club chooses. For instance, we have black,white,teal,silver in our official colors, yet on our home guernsey for many years we never wore silver, and still don't. So in the same way, we can be those four colors, with the same logo, etc, but have black-white PB and not use or use sparingly teal/silver on the guernsey/shorts/socks as really really thin line somewhere.

Or, at worse, PB in black-silver. AFL cannot legislate against that.

Bottom line, it's time the PAFC borrowed a bit of backbone and bad-ass outlaw attitude like the Oakland Raiders and stand up for itself, thumb its nose at the AFL and Collingwood.

And for those saying it's not Eddie involved. It is. He's the one always voicing about it, he's the one using Ron Evans as the reason etc and the AFL are not keen to contest them either. And, at the same time, the AFL seems focused on re-enforcing the Vic-centricity of late in many other ways like father and son rules.

The good thing about that article is a) how they mentioned that clubs only joined the VFL in the 1920's yet the AFL recognizes their heritage decades before that in the VFA. A separate comp. Yet for PAFC, that same thing isn't done, and b) how they mentioned WHY Port Adelaide was a clear favorite to join the AFL due to their existing traditional historical presence, success and fanbase.

Anyway, I'm full of hate and rage right now about this whole thing, Heritage, PB, illegality of banning colors/designs, the AFL mickey-mouse comp, Collingwood insanity, Eddie, and...the apparent softness or obediance of certain PAFC admin and sponsors etc.

As some have said, why Scott doesn't open up publically as well?

For me, right now, if I were holding any power, if the AFL told me no etc, I'd be going out there right now and getting Reebok to manufacture PB guernseys for Heritage and for home next year. Black-Silver if need be. I'd have lawyers at the ready. I'd be bringing the debate out into the public, media. I'd be also suing the AFL for lost revenue from sales of Heritage Round guernseys for the last 3 years. Enough is enough. No more pussy-footing.

Argree whole heartley GG...I have just emailed Greg Boulton direct to him telling him EXACTLY my thoughts!! It's up to the club and show some ****ing balls on this .....THEY KNOW HOW WE AS SUPPORTERS FEEL, its up to them to show some balls, and to stop rolling over on this.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Argree whole heartley GG...I have just emailed Greg Boulton direct to him telling him EXACTLY my thoughts!! It's up to the club and show some ****ing balls on this .....THEY KNOW HOW WE AS SUPPORTERS FEEL, its up to them to show some balls, and to stop rolling over on this.

Well done emailing him. What's his email? I want to express my opinion too.

 

[dreamkillers]

I wouldn't single out JJ for this one. The whole Board has been weak as water on this issue. This is the instance where you need one of those belligerent club presidents to make a stand - like Eddie does, or David Smorgon from the Bulldogs. Yes, Greg Boulton I'm looking at you.

Hell it wouldn't hurt the so called licence-owner to have a say, seeing as it's their heritage being denied too. But I guess they're really only interested in the fortunes of the fruit tingle flagship.

From what I have heard the paying off of the licence fee has been one of the reasons for the public silence on the matter although a lot of battling has been going on behind the scenes.

Now that's over I agree the club has to be more vocal and public on the issue........


As per what I posted in the Tarkyn Lockyer and Direct Approach threads there is also a lot more 'we' as supporters can do on the issue to ensure it's not hidden away by the VFL (they can't be called AFL with how they do things like this) and it's even more tragic that the SANFL continue their silence on the issue......but then the SANFL administration has only ever been interested in lining their own hip pockets instead of looking after the interest of the game in SA.

I really don't think the AFL appreciates how serious the club and it's supporters view our proud club's great history so lets come up with some practical ideas on what we can do to change this as there is only so much the club an do via 'official' channels........

For example lets get hold of the email and mailing address for Andy D, other senior AFL executives (including each and every club's CEO/General Manager) and all major sports media companies and publish them so we can bombard them with our concerns.

We can have standard letter/email drawn up so that we keep things clear and precise without any abuse as well as allowing people to add their own comments so that the rest of the country can see how serious we are about this issue as at the moment I really don't think they have any idea......especially those outside of SA who tend to have no respect at all for our great club.


That's just 1 small idea and I'm sure there are many other good ones out there that we can discuss and put the best ones into action ASAP to ensure everyone knows our thoughts and the total stupidity of the current situation with the AFL,

So lets get the email addresses of important people at our club, the AFL and SANFL and ensure they know our thoughts on the matter and how they continue to kill off the traditions of our great game and the clubs that made it so great.

 

[dreamkillers]

SANFL should already have spoken out and supported the club and fans. their silence is deafening

Not really the only time you hear from them is when they put their hand out for money from someone else........that's why the SANFL competition still has 9 teams as they wouldn't spend 1 cent of their own money to make it a better competition or football park a better ground.

 

[maccas_no1]

I think you wont find any AFC supporter that is not behind Port wearing there right gurnsey for AFL heritage round, the AFL want this, the AFL set the era and this is just blantant denial to what the AFL themselves want, I think the whole of SA needs to push the AFL to say 'screw you Eddie' and allow the PAFC to wear the gurnsey they wore in the 1970's which is what the AFL want.

 

[marcus]

I think you wont find any AFC supporter that is not behind Port wearing there right gurnsey for AFL heritage round, the AFL want this, the AFL set the era and this is just blantant denial to what the AFL themselves want, I think the whole of SA needs to push the AFL to say 'screw you Eddie' and allow the PAFC to wear the gurnsey they wore in the 1970's which is what the AFL want.

thanks

 

[SuperPower]

I think you wont find any AFC supporter that is not behind Port wearing there right gurnsey for AFL heritage round, the AFL want this, the AFL set the era and this is just blantant denial to what the AFL themselves want, I think the whole of SA needs to push the AFL to say 'screw you Eddie' and allow the PAFC to wear the gurnsey they wore in the 1970's which is what the AFL want.

Good on ya

 

[ClintEastwood]

I think you wont find any AFC supporter that is not behind Port wearing there right gurnsey for AFL heritage round

Agreed, at least not any AFC supporters that matter.

Thanks for your support.

 

[Ported]

The most frustrating thing is that I still haven't read a single reason why we can't wear it. Even if there was an agreement, why did there need to be an agreement.

We'll lose another $100,000 in revenue. Just wear the damn thing.

 

[Exe Gesis]

The most frustrating thing is that I still haven't read a single reason why we can't wear it. Even if there was an agreement, why did there need to be an agreement.

We'll lose another $100,000 in revenue. Just wear the damn thing.

Supposedly there was a verbal agreement, but Bucky has denied there ever was. Supposedly Port agreed to wear PB in 2003 under conditions of wearing teal away clash for ALL games against Cwood...that was what Bucky said was agreed on. Not sure IF there might or might not have been an inclusion forbidding the PB for 3 years as well. But clearly that's the line that we've been told for 3 years now.

Then 2007 is the beginning of the end of the verbal. So we're all told. But Ron Evans dies and suddenly Eddie is back again claiming he had a verbal agreement with him. How that even relates to the AFL anymore is invalid. Whatever Eddie could claim being a verbal agreement is outside of AFL jurisdiction. Ron Evans is no longer AFL boss. AD can do as he pleases, change laws, rules, and old verbal agreements that no one can even validate. If I took someone to court suing them over a will their father left them. I couldn't claim a verbal agreement with the dead man giving me all his money instead unless there was solid proof otherwise - like invoices, or other people confirming it, etc etc.

Last year AFL denied us saying we could wear black-white, just not black-white stripes. Given how ferocious Eddie has been publically about Collingwood never wearing anything but black-white stripes etc etc, and hands off, etc, then it's CLEAR that Collingwood and the money/power/influence from within it is twisting the AFLs hand on the issue. Even to the point where they could go out and ban Fremantle from wearing their heritage just to avoid giving Port any further loopholes etc.

It's all about Collingwood/Eddie demanding the right to own black-white stripes. Eddie becoming megalomaniac about Collingwood and stripes like they invented them or something. But there are no sustainable laws really that can ban designs or colors of sporting teams. It's quite insane actually.

Early on this year, it was reported by an Outer Army guy on PFP.com that we WERE being rejected still, told we could wear black-white training type top, just not PB due to the stripes. Everyone said no no, not true, we're fighting for the PB. We may well have been, but early on we were obediently submitting all these alternate designs to the AFL. That should show SOME form of insincerity by the PAFC in regards to their bloodlust insistence on wearing nothing but the PB. It would seem that's a popular stance to take but secretly obediently or meekly trying to convince the AFL with soft words and pleas.

F'ck that BS. Time for a stand. No more. Enough is enough. We keep letting them d'ick us around and we'll NEVER progress.

 

[Grave Danger]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if one day it was discovered that Eddie McChins had bribed the Animal Farm League...?

 

[Paralowiepower]

Maybe if Collingwood attack us on this, we need to attack them on another issue. Get with the other 14 clubs and get Collingwood removed from the Anzac day fixture, with us leading the way.

Gee if Mike Rann can stand up to the bigger states and John Howard, why can't we stand up to the bigger clubs and the AFL.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if one day it was discovered that Eddie McChins had bribed the Animal Farm League...?

I seriously think/suspect that that could be a possibility. If there was ever an external independent audit done (not just financially, but operations etc), I wouldn't be surprised to see some skeletons like favoritism, bribing, etc to be exposed....that hopefully would cause a revolution inside the AFL back to where it was SUPPOSEDLY originated - as a guardian and guiding-light to the game NATIONALLY, upholding that integrity.

That's all in its official charter. It's clear thru father-son rules, heritage round, etc, that it's gone amiss, been corrupted. What about the ownership of the Swans by the AFL? Got to be some suspect things in that, and the hiring of Roos over Wallace and the supposed hush-hush compensation payment. What about the demise of the Fitzroy football club under dubious circumstances by the AFL. There's potentially many instances.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

I've sent off an email to Mike Sheahan and Caroline Wilson. I reckon if we can get this into the focus of the Victorian football media rather than it being played out off stage as it were here in SA, or under the lid of the AFL, then it may actually draw some national attention as an issue. If we can get the Victorian media to run with it then we get the chance of national exposure - and they're not all subservient to Eddie and co.

 

[PowerKat]

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Last year AFL denied us saying we could wear black-white, just not black-white stripes. Given how ferocious Eddie has been publically about Collingwood never wearing anything but black-white stripes etc etc, and hands off, etc, then it's CLEAR that Collingwood and the money/power/influence from within it is twisting the AFLs hand on the issue. Even to the point where they could go out and ban Fremantle from wearing their heritage just to avoid giving Port any further loopholes etc.

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Well this is one point that really needs further clarification. My understanding is that Fremantle FC were a newly created entity when they joined the AFL, not an existing club from a state-based competition granted entry. The PAFC est 1870 however was not a newly created entity, but an existing SANFL club that was granted entry.

So, the question should also be asked... how can Freo be approved to wear the jumper of an entirely different club, that they did not originate from in any formal sense whatsoever, yet the PAFC cannot wear a jumper that actually was worn for many years by the actual PAFC that is now part of the AFL?

Effectively Freo is being permitted to perpetuate a myth about their heritage, and the PAFC is being prevented from celebrating/representing their actual, real, factual heritage.

IMO, every time the Freo example is used to support the heritage jumper argument, the distinction should be made.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Well this is one point that really needs further clarification. My understanding is that Fremantle FC were a newly created entity when they joined the AFL, not an existing club from a state-based competition granted entry. The PAFC est 1870 however was not a newly created entity, but an existing SANFL club that was granted entry.

So, the question should also be asked... how can Freo be approved to wear the jumper of an entirely different club, that they did not originate from in any formal sense whatsoever, yet the PAFC cannot wear a jumper that actually was worn for many years by the actual PAFC that is now part of the AFL?

Effectively Freo is being permitted to perpetuate a myth about their heritage, and the PAFC is being prevented from celebrating/representing their actual, real, factual heritage.

IMO, every time the Freo example is used to support the heritage jumper argument, the distinction should be made.

Actually, you make an excellent point PowerKat. Fremantle isn't strictly a pre-established club from the WAFL that gained entry into the AFL. It is more the East and South Fremantle football clubs who have some vested interest in the Dockers? Or similar, but not actually merged or otherwise.

Yet, they were allowed to don the white and red V.

This is another clear example of why it IS Eddie and Collingwood that is preventing Port wearing PB. Because otherwise, the AFL doesn't seem to care too much. I can imagine the AFL as like a father with 16 children, with Collingwood treated as the eldest or favored son. Anyway, as teams squabble between themselves, the AFL sorts it out. Otherwise, if the kids are happy between themselves then the father is happy. But with Cwood raising so much stink, always whining like a spoilt brat, they always defer to scolding Port (the youngest) about upsetting Cwood. Bad analogy but it's like that.

Anyway, the thing is, Fremantle v Swans in Sydney for this years Heritage. That seems like a suspiciously scheduled match-up to me. Possibly forcing Fremantle to do away with the guernsey. And therefore, as some gradual trickery, outlawing Fremantle in future from also recognizing it's WAFL heritage. As in, a new AFL agenda to remove any non-Vic celebrated heritage? Seems a bit harsh. But possible. Wait and see what Fremantle's guernsey will be or what the AFL do to them in 2008 re Heritage. But definitely Port, it's all Collingwood.

 

[shaz63]

Actually, you make an excellent point PowerKat. Fremantle isn't strictly a pre-established club from the WAFL that gained entry into the AFL. It is more the East and South Fremantle football clubs who have some vested interest in the Dockers? Or similar, but not actually merged or otherwise.

Yet, they were allowed to don the white and red V.

This is another clear example of why it IS Eddie and Collingwood that is preventing Port wearing PB. Because otherwise, the AFL doesn't seem to care too much. I can imagine the AFL as like a father with 16 children, with Collingwood treated as the eldest or favored son. Anyway, as teams squabble between themselves, the AFL sorts it out. Otherwise, if the kids are happy between themselves then the father is happy. But with Cwood raising so much stink, always whining like a spoilt brat, they always defer to scolding Port (the youngest) about upsetting Cwood. Bad analogy but it's like that.

Anyway, the thing is, Fremantle v Swans in Sydney for this years Heritage. That seems like a suspiciously scheduled match-up to me. Possibly forcing Fremantle to do away with the guernsey. And therefore, as some gradual trickery, outlawing Fremantle in future from also recognizing it's WAFL heritage. As in, a new AFL agenda to remove any non-Vic celebrated heritage? Seems a bit harsh. But possible. Wait and see what Fremantle's guernsey will be or what the AFL do to them in 2008 re Heritage. But definitely Port, it's all Collingwood.

The Dockers are the combination of the two Freo based WAFL teams.. South Freo are red and white and known as the Bulldogs with East Freo being blue and white with the nickname the Sharks.

With the two teams coming together to form the Dockers, they still to this day have teams in the WAFL and are still bitter rivals.

When the Dockers induct players into their hall of fame, they are taken from both Freo clubs.

Therefore, I see no reason why this club is permitted to wear the red and white for heritage round and we are denied the rights to wear the PB's.

This should be brought up to the AFL within the discussions regarding the use of the PB's for heritage round each year.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

I don't understand how two bitter rivals came together to form one club as such. It would have been like Norwood and Port coming together to form a team.