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Hopefully, he'll get six weeks for that dog act.
Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2024, Part I
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Hopefully, he'll get six weeks for that dog act.
If only he played for Collingwood in a final, he'd get off.
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Even their best form is a heavy training drill
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Year true but I did want Sanders. I felt him with Bruhn/Clark/Holmes was a great combo. We probably needed a more mature player regardless but if we miss on Bailey Smith I don't see any others I'd consider
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If he played for Carlton the lawyer would make sure Simpkin got 5 weeks
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Just not built for it.
Hard to get much from that match, Saints looked good but inaccuracy was horrendous and the commentators talked up their superior endurance and runners yet they went an hour without a goal and were out on their feet. Having the wind in the end gave them easier goals and let them just get over the Roos.
North have talent, Larkey is elite, but christ some of their mids are aggravating. There were times they got the ball, had a 3 v 1 in the middle, 2 handballs bypasses the Saints set up and gives them a good forward entry. Instead they chose either the most difficult option, or the worst option and turned it over.
Kinda feels like if you have North early in the season they will be a challenge, and then then later in the year when they start to get gassed is where they will give up the sizeable losses. I guess the question for North is when does that drop off happen, from rd12 onwards, rd15 onwards or rd18 onwards.
North have talent, Larkey is elite, but christ some of their mids are aggravating. There were times they got the ball, had a 3 v 1 in the middle, 2 handballs bypasses the Saints set up and gives them a good forward entry. Instead they chose either the most difficult option, or the worst option and turned it over.
Kinda feels like if you have North early in the season they will be a challenge, and then then later in the year when they start to get gassed is where they will give up the sizeable losses. I guess the question for North is when does that drop off happen, from rd12 onwards, rd15 onwards or rd18 onwards.
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And it seems his injuries are always of a similar nature, and that he hasn't worked out that his relentless attack isn't doing him any favours
He's OOC this year, and I don't see an extension forthcoming at this stage
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Holy he'll that's disgusting. While family must have about 5 braincells too to be this blind
As good as he or a couple other were...I think we are being smart in drafting for the long term. Of course only time will tell ..but KPD are a much harder hole to fill than mids.... Admittedly super elite players in any position are probably the rarest commodity ...but realistically ..I cant see how we would have gotten in front of the Dogs anyway. They paid thru the nose to get that pick and had a Father Son to balance the cost
Families support their own ... Its a bit mehh to me. Id expect them to being crying foul when he gets 8 weeks. The AFL went hard at SPP now must keep up the trend. This act is something from the CTE playbook.
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Yeah but if you draft a Riley Sanders and trade in a capable KP then on paper you get the same long term investment but a much shorter payoff.
I love COS and I think we drafted well at the pick, but surely you'd want to trade KP players. If you're drafting for them with their failure rate then you're just playing a worse hand.
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Have you noticed how expensive kpps are to get in these days? Either you're putting super mega dollars for an ufa or how many rnd1 picks did we give up for Cameron? Maybe drafting Cos is the most cost effective way of doing it even if it's a slower burn.
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Yeah, but if you have to draft 3-4 to get one then it's cheap
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With what currency?
Let's be really optimistic and say at the draft the Dogs would've accepted a live trade of our 2023 and 2024 1st round picks for their pick 6 (so 10 + F1 for 6). They might not have accepted this and there's no chance they would've accepted less than this.
So we get Sanders and give up O'Sullivan, Mannagh and our future first.
We need to take 2x first rounders every 4 years. So our 2025 and 2026 picks wouldn't even be tradeable. What key position players are we trading in without giving up a first rounder?
That seems like a great way to be left with Mabior Chol, Jacob Koschitzke type trade ins.
Just think of Sanders like Reid or Daicos or Ashcroft. We would've loved them but they were never available to us.
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Why are people still talking about a Riley Sanders when he was gone before our pick? If they really wanted him they would have tried to trade up, those above obviously declined, move on.
Sanders was a special player , I think there was noise we liked him so.. iss there is a bit of strawman in your "but if you" ? ... its not like we went past Sanders. If the choice was Sanders V COS , my bet is we probably go Sanders and if we had then Id have been fine with that too.. but he was like by others as well , especially the dogs. I cant see how we get to Sanders when the Dogs traded P10, P17 and their Fr1 to get P4. Yes got three R3 picks as well but basically 3R1 picks to get Sanders. He might be good but he better be.
Let say we had gone past COS.. then we probably draft Wilson or Leake. I really liked Wilson but Im happy with what we did. Only time will tell if picked the right seed. Sure mids come to hand quicker but Im happy and willing to take a longer view.
As far as mid v KPD ... Mids are much easier to obtain ..so no I dont agree with a setup to trade for talls KPD/ruck as the prefered option. I prefer to develop and then supplement with trade...when , (as I feel) we have moved slightly off having the ripest chance at a flag.
FA and trade are a very limited market with a lot of competition for the player. Id prefer to do what we have..it does not preclude trading for a KPP if we wish to and/or if the right player is available. For example ..id imagine if Cadman or similar player had said he want in then thats what we would have done and then no Sanders , COS or anyone.
..but as our first preference I like the idea of trying to develop our own. Our history of not drafting our own rucks has now been turned and im happy that we have paid what we have to get a young KPD although at a substantial draft cost.
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I'm not saying we should have traded up for him, just lamenting he didn't slide. I don't think I would do anything different last year.
In any case, there's nothing really on the trade table I can see right now other than Bailey Smith who makes sense if we don't touch our 25 first
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Yeah, the quality of the talls in the draft had me hoping that no one went for him ahead of us. I actually think we'd have been a live shot if North went Curtin, Hawks may have gone Duursma, Dogs then go Wizard.
Still not unhappy with COS just wary of the timeline to have him impacting versus taking a mid and thinking of what might have been
What's up with these guys going for the big bumps knocking people out in pre-season games? They're muck-about games to get games into the legs, fellas. You don't need to be KO'ing people. It's not even the NAB cup where you would get a little trophy for winning at the end.
I havent watched 1 second of any preseason game for any club
However your bolded point by the sound of it they have turned back the clock 50-60 years
I heard Bob Davis say , early 60s or late 50s , right at the end of his career , and they were playing annually i think an SA club pre season , and they had to abandon the game midway through it because it was too rough - they walked off
And Footscray in the mid to late 60s , im pretty sure i heard Bernie Quinlan say this , they were annually playing annually pre season , and i think again it was an SA club , and again they had to stop/abandon playing them because it was just too rough - so they never played that club again preseason
Re StKilda chances in 2024 , i thought Ross Lyon did a very good qualifying them for the finals last year , given the talent at his disposal , and that 1st final they wernt disgraced against GWS , who franked that form in their remaining finals
However i did watch a Rich v Stk night game at the MCG last season about 2/3rds through the year , the Tigers were tearing them to bits , were 4 goals in front and would have won by 10 goals , but torrential rain came and that deadset saved the Saints from a belting , and the margin came back to a couple of goals
Thus the Saints in 2024 and the once famous Navy Blues are in the same boat - well its a bit like Geel pre 2007 , i will be a believer when it actually happens
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Sure, but if there is a guy available at your pick that you're confident can become a player you back yourself in to train him up no?
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