List Mgmt. Official 2016 trade period discussion

[OzeSparky]

Steele is a very good player.

Hasn't proven himself yet.

 

[David the Cat]

We got Wojo AND SJ at 24....whatever.....who got picked at 24 over the last ten years is irrelevant. Its whose on the table in 2016 that counts.

 

[Moggy]

...I had a chat with someone inside our recruitment team about the Caddy trade and I feel vindicated that the club has lost their way, and actually don't know as much as seemingly normal footy fans/have a complete difference in opinion with the entire Geelong supporting base. For instance, I'd say Pure Ownage knows more and would be better working at the club than some of the recruitment staff who are actually making decisions.

Basically when quizzed why he was traded the following was said:

• Geelong was happy to take 27 initially even for Caddy but 'went for' 24 when it was available.
• Don't rate Caddy highly internally (not in the 3 best mids was said)
• Said Caddy has a poor attitude. I asked what do you mean, he said well, the coach believes he's a better forward than mid whereas Caddy thinks he's a better mid than forward. - this is particularly concerning as 99% of anyone with a footy brain knows he's better as a mid - not our coach. AND that doesn't mean his attitude is poor at all. I said he is much better than Blitz, why isn't he playing mid ahead of blitz, response was Caddy doesn't run defensively enough.
• Caddy was actually happy to stay but Geelong preferred to get into the draft - in other words, Geelong rated a mid 20s pick above Caddy
• Wanted more salary cap flexibility
• I asked why didn't we hold out for more as a 20s pick is unders - response was along the lines of "nothing else was available and we think we can get a good player at 24"

Basically that was it. It shows that we willingly thought 24 > Caddy which is astounding and extraordinary. Caddy is clearly worth more especially as we need mature good players in this flag tilt. Basically the entire footy world cannot understand this trade, it is only our recruitment staff and no one else, that believe 24 > Caddy.

#makespaceforpureownage

 

[Art Vandelay_]

We got Wojo AND SJ at 24....whatever.....who got picked at 24 over the last ten years is irrelevant. Its whose on the table in 2016 that counts.

If you go through every draft pick number you'll find duds and studs.
Agreed. Only what Wells does with this pick 24 matters.

 

[Moggy]

Big titted? #norks

Seriously?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Big titted? #norks

lol Duncs actually hashtagged norks.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So it's fine for clubs to lose players for unders all the time because a great Hawthorn team once lost Franklin and still won the flag? That's sound logic. Might as well have given up Selwood and Dangerfield for picks in the 20s, too, because Hawthorn lost Franklin in 2013 and Geelong lost Ablett in 2010 so obviously losing best 22 players doesn't matter at all. You can trade out whoever you want and still win the flag because of those two examples.

We could have lost an oily rag and you would be telling us how the sky is also falling.

Teams lose players of caddys ability all the time and they are fine. We aren't going to win a premiership with caddy in our centre set up, he is not up to the silk that premiership midfield a are made of. The idea was he had the potential to be a great midfielder, but let's all be honest, he has not gotten close to it yet at all at 24 going on 25 and 100 games?? By his same age Bartel had already won a Brownlow and gaz Jnr was the AFLS best player.

It isn't the end of the world loosing caddy, I think we will be just fine, he is more than replaceable

 

[nananana catman]

We could have lost an oily rag and you would be telling us how the sky is also falling.

Teams lose players of caddys ability all the time and they are fine. We aren't going to win a premiership with caddy in our centre set up, he is not up to the silk that premiership midfield a are made of. The idea was he had the potential to be a great midfielder, but let's all be honest, he has not gotten close to it yet at all at 24 going on 25 and 100 games?? By his same age Bartel had already won a Brownlow and gaz Jnr was the AFLS best player.

It isn't the end of the world loosing caddy, I think we will be just fine, he is more than replaceable

I don't quite agree with that. We could absolutely win a flag with Caddy in our midfield setup. But we could also easily win one without him and a different style of player in the team too.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

We could have lost an oily rag and you would be telling us how the sky is also falling.

Teams lose players of caddys ability all the time and they are fine. We aren't going to win a premiership with caddy in our centre set up, he is not up to the silk that premiership midfield a are made of. The idea was he had the potential to be a great midfielder, but let's all be honest, he has not gotten close to it yet at all at 24 going on 25 and 100 games?? By his same age Bartel had already won a Brownlow and gaz Jnr was the AFLS best player.

It isn't the end of the world loosing caddy, I think we will be just fine, he is more than replaceable

We actually didn't seem the same team without caddy in it. If I recall he injured himself in the Bulldogs game and we Defibitely missed him and it left a bit of a hole in our structure and play.

He was one of our very few midfielders who also hit th scoreboard regularly with a goal or two, something people under rate in him.

I think losing him will damage our structure and team moving forward, he is needed to be kept

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Biggy please, quoting past references over a year is not a good one for you to venture down, you have hardly gotten a prediction right all year. Not interested in getting into that stuff.

With hindsight as a brilliant ability to assess a players worth and what has transpired since, I easily can put menegola above him Now. He was also very unimpressive in the finals, played quite poorly, he could barely get his hands on the ball. This changes things up quite a bit.

Is replaceable and will be replaced no issues come 2017.

 

[Partridge]

Awesome. The predictable 180 degree turn in opinion instead of admitting the club might have stuffed up.

In their own words too. Well played.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Biggy please, quoting past references over a year is not a good one for you to venture down, you have hardly gotten a prediction right all year. Not interested in getting into that stuff.

With hindsight as a brilliant ability to assess a players worth and what has transpired since, I easily can put menegola above him Now. He was also very unimpressive in the finals, played quite poorly, he could barely get his hands on the ball. This changes things up quite a bit.

Is replaceable and will be replaced no issues come 2017.

A year? That quote is from 10 days ago. Your opinion on how valuable Caddy is to the side has completely changed since he was traded.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't quite agree with that. We could absolutely win a flag with Caddy in our midfield setup. But we could also easily win one without him and a different style of player in the team too.

Do you believe at the level he is as of now he is starting midfield premiership standard? I don't.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Awesome. The predictable 180 degree turn in opinion instead of admitting the club might have stuffed up.

In their own words too. Well played.

Don't paint us all with the GC brush mate.

 

[Partridge]

Don't paint us all with the GC brush mate.

Not directed at you at all.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

A year? That quote is from 10 days ago. Your opinion on how valuable Caddy is to the side has completely changed since he was traded.

People aren't allowed to change their opinions about a player?.

Look at his finals performance, he was terrible.

the Geelong football club can more than afford to lose a B grade 24 year old.

 

[pussygalore]

Thoughts on getting Barlow to GFC?

 

[Biggy_Boy]

People aren't allowed to change their opinions about a player?.

Look at his finals performance, he was terrible.

the Geelong football club can more than afford to lose a B grade 24 year old.

But you're not changing your opinion on the basis of his finals performance. You're changing it on the basis of him being traded out of the club. That's the only thing that could have changed your opinion on him in the last week.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Awesome. The predictable 180 degree turn in opinion instead of admitting the club might have stuffed up.

In their own words too. Well played.

Do you believe caddy will be an A grade player?

I think a lot of us myself included thought caddy sounded better on paper in the line up than he actually was on the field... All potential and optimism, he never produced really.

When you detach from that you really start to get a dose of reality a bit as to what he is.

He is a B grade 24 year old, nothing of a big loss other than the idea of potential

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Don't paint us all with the GC brush mate.

GC is right on one thing. No matter what happened this trade period the sky is not falling.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

Thoughts on getting Barlow to GFC?

As a DFA I'd do it every day of the week.

 

[Biggy_Boy]

Do you believe caddy will be an A grade player?

I think a lot of us myself included thought caddy sounded better on paper in the line up than he actually was on the field... All potential and optimism, he never produced really.

When you detach from that you really start to get a dose of reality a bit as to what he is.

He is a B grade 24 year old, nothing of a big loss other than the idea of potential

Maybe we should reserve judgement on Caddy until the end of 2017.

Like this fellow suggested 10 days ago:

We will see, will reserve my judgement for 2017. I think over the pre season the coaching team is going to work hard on a midfield plan which involves a lot more collaboration and involvement from the other brigade outside of Selwood and Dangerfield, trying to take the reliance and load off of two main players.

Will reserve judgement on caddy Duncan Blicavs Guthrie till end of 17. If this is still the output then the evaluation will be required. For now I say keep them

Think we will see the balls game tossed to a lot of those middle aged players this year to be put in the spotlight and show they have it or they don't. So I will wait and see what happens, and hopefully they take the next step

 

[geelong_crazy26]

But you're not changing your opinion on the basis of his finals performance. You're changing it on the basis of him being traded out of the club. That's the only thing that could have changed your opinion on him in the last week.

Like I just posted, a lot of rose coloured glasses were being worn about caddy, myself included in that camp as to his potential to live up and become a great player. You take that away, put him in another jumper and reality does kick in as to what he really is. Just a B grade solid senior nature footballer.

You sleep on it and reflect what he achieved and his performances especially the finals, and you realise he was way off the standard of an A grader. Much like reflecting on a relationship after dating, you see reality more for what it is.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Maybe we should reserve judgement on Caddy until the end of 2017.

Like this fellow suggested 10 days ago:

Hey happy to reserve judgment see what he does for Richmond, best of luck

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Awesome. The predictable 180 degree turn in opinion instead of admitting the club might have stuffed up.

In their own words too. Well played.

The people at the club know more about list management than posters on bigfooty.

Any reasonable person can see how ridiculous it is for someone with a layman's understanding of the game to be passing judgement on one of the most respected list managers in the game .