Autopsy Positives and Negatives vs. Demons - Rd 22, 2018

[CM9000]

Geeez us eagles supporters make excuses, can’t we just admit we were the worse team?

Do you think if we had Gaff, Nic, JK and JD, we would've lost?

 

[WCE1698]

Do you base that comment on how many times he got the ball , or on what he did with it.
Because being at the game I thought he got a decent amount of the ball , but his production , more specifically his decision making was very poor.
He is a momentum killer and that stifles our game plan badly, when he does things instinctively he is better player because when he try to think his way through a situation then by God he is ******* woeful. I have said this before and been berated for it, never the less I stand by my opinion, but Dom's inability to use his right foot hurts his game and his effectiveness.

This is not true, he made the right call with ball in hand most times today, his DE was second best behind Masten and he had two goal assists and kicked a very nice goal. For me today it was evident that he had his confidence back and i think he will only improve from here.

 

[Cornelius Roy]

You realise we were missing our co-captain, CHB, and CHF, right?

You realise with those guys in we beat Richmond by 50 points, right?

 

[Monocle]

I love your posting usually Monocle, but do you honestly believe we aren't contenders this year?

I think its going to be difficult with out NN and Gaff as we don't win the clearances and contested possessions enough against better midfields.
Would love to be proved wrong but what I watched live today , I was again left convinced that our midfield is better than most but not quite up to the standard of the better teams. I happen to rate Richmond, GWS Collingwood, Sydney and Melbourne as having far superior midfields to ours , the game in the main is won and lost at stoppages and I think we are not at the same level as the teams that I have mentioned in that area.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Interesting sub-plot regarding nev and lecras. Genuinely looked like nev wanted to fight him after the game. Surely, and hopefully, not racially motivated.

Yeeeeah that would just about cover all negative press required for 1 season.

 

[Ishmael_]

Also, blaming the umpires is Port and Freo territory- it's a losers game. Players make dozens of decisions and skill executions that are worse than anything the umpires do.

We were in the game even with our injuries and we weren't good enough. I actually thought we played pretty well but Melbourne beat us. That's footy hey?

I agree, it was a good game. We did as well as could be expected given player availability and the early Darling injury. A couple of frustrating posters as well.

But I do think there was a directive this week Re the umpiring. It was a big game, with enormous ramifications for Melbourne. The worst look for the AFL would be Melbourne losing in a close one following soft decisions.

They put the whistle away and early we got the bad end of it. 50/50s weren't going to go our way.

That's life I spose.

 

[Quinz]

Do you think if we had Gaff, Nic, JK and JD, we would've lost?

Who knows or cares really? We had enough quality out there to win, we got in front in the last quarter and the dees were better than us.

Two of them aren't coming back so its a pointless exercise.

 

[Rowan18]

Sorry to disagree with your first statement, though we stand high chance to beat Brisbane next week.
We are only 0.1% and a game ahead of Collingwood. If we lost next week and Collingwood won, then Collingwood will have a higher percentage. Bear in mind 0.1 % is equivalent to about 1.7 points at the beginning of Round 23.( It will be as close as Collingwood won by one point and WCE lost by one point). In fact we are already behind the Collingwood in point/goal difference.

Fair call, I thought we were 4% ahead of them. I'd be pretty shitty if we lose to brisbane though.

 

[donkeypunchd]

You realise we were missing the players that made up the team that won 10 in a row including a 47 point flogging of Richmond right?
You had those players for most of the year and had to pull a win out of your arse with help from the umpires to make the finals
Plus we played a key forward down for most of the game
Stop pulling yourself cause you got 1 win against a top eight team.

The umpires help? You realise of course that WC won the free kick count (again)?

 

[The Stid]

Ah Chee isn't up to it. Today was his last game for the club. He showed that he can't impact.

Disagree.

He’s been played as a forward when given a game rather than midfield and today once Gov was swung forward he went down back. Can’t judge him on that. Certainly wasn’t his last game.

 

[wirra44]

Do you think if we had Gaff, Nic, JK and JD, we would've lost?

Do you think if we had Gaff, Nic, JK and JD, we would've lost?

You never know, we got spanked by the bombers with a few of them in the team?

 

[WCE Wizard]

How bad is Darling?

Not too bad mate, Simmo said he was in good spirit after the game

 

[Eagleboy68]

The umpires help? You realise of course that WC won the free kick count (again)?

You realise this is our .Board and it would be nice if you could **** off. This is akin to trolling after a loss.

Plus if you think it's about winning the free kick count your grossly mistaken

 

[Jeeves]

Sorry to disagree with your first statement, though we stand high chance to beat Brisbane next week.
We are only 0.1% and a game ahead of Collingwood. If we lost next week and Collingwood won, then Collingwood will have a higher percentage. Bear in mind 0.1 % is equivalent to about 1.7 points at the beginning of Round 23.( It will be as close as Collingwood won by one point and WCE lost by one point). In fact we are already behind the Collingwood in point/goal difference.

AND Collingwood are playing the Dockers. A massive win and percentage booster coming up.

 

[Monocle]

This is not true, he made the right call with ball in hand most times today, his DE was second best behind Masten and he had two goal assists and kicked a very nice goal. For me today it was evident that he had his confidence back and i think he will only improve from here.

Lets just say that the two of us have very different ideas of what constitutes being a good midfielder.
He doesn't work hard enough with out ball in hand and his lack of a right side hurts because it impacts his decision making.

 

[bh90210fan]

Do you base that comment on how many times he got the ball , or on what he did with it.
Because being at the game I thought he got a decent amount of the ball , but his production , more specifically his decision making was very poor.
He is a momentum killer and that stifles our game plan badly, when he does things instinctively he is better player because when he try to think his way through a situation then by God he is ******* woeful. I have said this before and been berated for it, never the less I stand by my opinion, but Dom's inability to use his right foot hurts his game and his effectiveness.

Thought in the first half he got us back into the game after a bad start. If he can get on his left he is a very good ball user. He’s also not afraid to pull the trigger with an aggressive kick option. He has the ability to break the play open but his downfall is that he’s a slow decision maker when under the pump and is a bit of a plodder across the ground. He’s still best 22 imo now without Gaff

 

[WCE Wizard]

We were well beaten today, we spent too many petrol tickets getting back into it. You cannot give top 8 sides 26 point leads and play catch up footy every week.
Darlings loss hurt yes. Not all is lost. We will beat Brisbane and then finals
+ Sheed 31 touches and a goal playing well
+ Rioli
+ Cripps and Ryan
+ Masten

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Dumb footy, simple fumbles fix
Turnovers that killed us and all of their goals were out the back
they wanted it more than us

 

[Quinz]

The umpires help? You realise of course that WC won the free kick count (again)?

Not the board to argue about the umpiring.

Feel free to discuss the game.

 

[Godfather32]

This is not true, he made the right call with ball in hand most times today, his DE was second best behind Masten and he had two goal assists and kicked a very nice goal. For me today it was evident that he had his confidence back and i think he will only improve from here.

Say what now? He was 14th in DE on our team. And considering that only 5 of his 31 possessions were contested I'd say that's pretty poor.
He's not an AFL quality mid, he's too slow, can't tackle, makes poor decisions with the ball in hand (when he does actually make a decision because he's so slow with the ball in hand too) and hurts us so many times by running into positions to receive the ball where his best option is to kick on his right foot when he can't kick for shit with his right foot.

 

[Altum Volantes]

Not too bad mate, Simmo said he was in good spirit after the game

Well isn’t that nice haha..

 

[madfx]

The umpires help? You realise of course that WC won the free kick count (again)?

**** off. You'll get bounced week one

 

[CM9000]

I think its going to be difficult with out NN and Gaff as we don't win the clearances and contested possessions enough against better midfields.
Would love to be proved wrong but what I watched live today , I was again left convinced that our midfield is better than most but not quite up to the standard of the better teams. I happen to rate Richmond, GWS Collingwood, Sydney and Melbourne as having far superior midfields to ours , the game in the main is won and lost at stoppages and I think we are not at the same level as the teams that I have mentioned in that area.

I disagree, the level of quality between us and other midfields isn't as stark as you make it out to be. Sure, we've lost two from our top end, but you only have to cast your mind back to the Collingwood game when we beat the Pies at home without Nic, with Lycett beating the second best ruck in the game. We did have Gaff then, but I think he's replaceable.

Who knows or cares really? We had enough quality out there to win, we got in front in the last quarter and the dees were better than us.

Two of them aren't coming back so its a pointless exercise.

Fair enough on Gaff and Nic, but Darling and JK are pretty substantial outs. You gotta cover them, of course, but you can't just ignore the fact our 2 best goal kickers were out.

You never know, we got spanked by the bombers with a few of them in the team?

And that was an outlier. We won 10 in a row with them in the team, it's a valid point.

 

[WCE1698]

Say what now? He was 14th in DE on our team. And considering that only 5 of his 31 possessions were contested I'd say that's pretty poor.
He's not an AFL quality mid, he's too slow, can't tackle, makes poor decisions with the ball in hand (when he does actually make a decision because he's so slow with the ball in hand too) and hurts us so many times by running into positions to receive the ball where his best option is to kick on his right foot when he can't kick for shit with his right foot.

I said out of our mids, not the whole team. Which is pretty good considering he got it 30 times, which is also pretty good. You are massively over exaggerating nearly everything in his game making it out like he's not up to AFL standard which he clearly is. Not sure if you saw Simmo's presserhttps://twitter.com/WestCoastEagles/status/1031098140139503617. He certainly disagrees with you as well mate.

 

[Godfather32]

I said out of our mids, not the whole team. Which is pretty good considering he got it 30 times, which is also pretty good. You are massively over exaggerating nearly everything in his game making it out like he's not up to AFL standard which he clearly is. Not sure if you saw Simmo's presserhttps://twitter.com/WestCoastEagles/status/1031098140139503617. He certainly disagrees with you as well mate.

No you didn't, you didn't say anything about mids.
No I'm not, he's not a good player for the reasons I've previously stated.

 

[WCE1698]

Lets just say that the two of us have very different ideas of what constitutes being a good midfielder.
He doesn't work hard enough with out ball in hand and his lack of a right side hurts because it impacts his decision making.

he worked hard today he found space a lot and used the ball well. he's clearly playing a slightly different role to Redden/Yeo/Shuey so i think the criticism he's receiving if heavily unwarranted after todays game.