Review Positives and Negatives vs Demons

[DanWCE]

Well this is ****ed. Really hope it wasn't an Eagles fan, but more than that I hope this shit stops happening at all

 

[its_dave]

Mate, you're basically entering "fold the club" territory now. You want; the players, the coaches, the medical staff and the recruitment staff gone. It's nonsensical.

Secondly, you state you want all these changes and I've asked how they are going to happen and you still can't give a viable solution. No one is offended - stop making sh*t up - you're heading the same direction that got you banned a week ago because you seem unable to discuss things reasonably or deal with a difference of opinion.

w

Mate, I wouldn’t beat up on the Gambler too much. He’s showing solid interest and making suggestions of improvement. I once suggested racing injured aged superstars straight back in six weeks ago wasn’t so intelligent. Got slagged by a heavy poster but we lost that game and have replicated that activity since. We should look at the positives from posters. Not getting much improvement from the team. Loosing to North Melbourne! That sits ok with you mate does it? I don’t read the Gambler saying fold the club. In fact I’m disappointed in some of my favourite posters. We’ve won some premierships! Wow. We just lost to North Melbourne and Collingwood. I just find that unacceptable with our list.

 

[Bender_]

w

Mate, I wouldn’t beat up on the Gambler too much. He’s showing solid interest and making suggestions of improvement. I once suggested racing injured aged superstars straight back in six weeks ago wasn’t so intelligent. Got slagged by a heavy poster but we lost that game and have replicated that activity since. We should look at the positives from posters. Not getting much improvement from the team. Loosing to North Melbourne! That sits ok with you mate does it? I don’t read the Gambler saying fold the club. In fact I’m disappointed in some of my favourite posters. We’ve won some premierships! Wow. We just lost to North Melbourne and Collingwood. I just find that unacceptable with our list.

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying what he's suggesting is not feasible. It's all well and good to be passionate and demand changes be made at the footy club, but to say get rid of the coaches. And the medical staff. And the recruiters. And the players. But to have no plan whatsoever on how to do so, who to recruit in their place and then think that it's going to turn around fast enough to keep him happy? LoL. We'd be cellar dwellers for years. We'll review at season's end and I think tweaks in all sections of the club HAVE to be made for us to improve, not demolishing the club and starting from scratch which is essentially what he's suggesting, but with zero plan on what to do afterwards.

 

[Ishmael_]

There’s been a recent trend of new or posters thats rarely post that jump on here to only post negative feedback about the playing group or coach.

If you see someone post after a bad loss with like 50 posts and a join date 10 years ago, expect them to keep the review thread going for at least a week with low-tier rage posting and then disappear. Like boorish mayflies.

I don't get it, I tend to avoid BF after a string of deflating losses.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying what he's suggesting is not feasible. It's all well and good to be passionate and demand changes be made at the footy club, but to say get rid of the coaches. And the medical staff. And the recruiters. And the players. But to have no plan whatsoever on how to do so, who to recruit in their place and then think that it's going to turn around fast enough to keep him happy? LoL. We'd be cellar dwellers for years. We'll review at season's end and I think tweaks in all sections of the club HAVE to be made for us to improve, not demolishing the club and starting from scratch which is essentially what he's suggesting, but with zero plan on what to do afterwards.

It's all well and good for you to sit and say it's not feasible just to sack the coach, and football department, and fitness staff, and players, and recruiters. But to say Gambler has no plan is entirely unfair on him.

He said put an ad in the paper and think outside the box. That's solved. Do you expect him to do all the work for the club?

 

[The_Gambler]

When you go against the grain of the cool crowd on this site you certainly cop a hard time. Just because someone doesn’t post everyday and hasn’t done so for a decade probably means they have a job and doesn’t make their opinions any less.

it’s a very conservative club and site. Multiple thrashings and losses to cellar dwellers and the only response from the club is we will review and learn. My observation is either review hasn’t occurred or they haven’t learned given the apparent patterns of losses and game style. Cool crowd will say let them review over the off-season but there are multiple full time professionals who day today job is to perform a root cause analysis and implement change. At a minimum this should occur between games, but surely coaching staff should be capable of doing this within a game. This has been my big criticism. Dour game style that has been worked. No plan b. No flexibility and no tactical changes to counteract teams adapting to us or to beat the oppositions style. I see our tactics from full back kick ins at an under 12 level. Long to the right to the big guy. I see our young midfield development deplorable. They stay on the list for years, play the odd game of wing or HFF, and 4-5 years later get cut. For new players to the club, why does it take years to learn the west coast way? They kick a football and train essentially every day, something is going wrong if they’re not developing. Then I think criticism of the fitness staff is fair. Objectively: high rate of muscle strains, high rate of recurrence, players given approval to play after extended lay offs when clearly lacking match fitness. Then the January 2km trial - really looked like a bunch of fat school kids who are forced to run cross country.

my solution is for a review and change. I suggest the patterns for coaching limitations have been present for 2-3 years. I don’t think they can improve much further. No doubt we are better served with new blood and new ideas. There’s no evolution at WCE. Whether we lose money out of the soft cap or not shouldn’t be the reason not to change. Clearly we need to look at the fitness side of things. Can’t run out game and injuries. All good excuses for losing, but a lot of this is preventable.

sorry if I’m rocking the cool crowd, I’m not happy with the mediocrity we’ve been demonstrating, and you can only rest on the laurels of the past for so long. A premiership in 92 and 94 doesn’t justify to me what will be a rapid drop if changes aren’t made to game plan, tactics, leadership, internal motivation, strength and conditioning and player recruitment and development.

 

[Bender_]

When you go against the grain of the cool crowd on this site you certainly cop a hard time. Just because someone doesn’t post everyday and hasn’t done so for a decade probably means they have a job and doesn’t make their opinions any less.

it’s a very conservative club and site. Multiple thrashings and losses to cellar dwellers and the only response from the club is we will review and learn. My observation is either review hasn’t occurred or they haven’t learned given the apparent patterns of losses and game style. Cool crowd will say let them review over the off-season but there are multiple full time professionals who day today job is to perform a root cause analysis and implement change. At a minimum this should occur between games, but surely coaching staff should be capable of doing this within a game. This has been my big criticism. Dour game style that has been worked. No plan b. No flexibility and no tactical changes to counteract teams adapting to us or to beat the oppositions style. I see our tactics from full back kick ins at an under 12 level. Long to the right to the big guy. I see our young midfield development deplorable. They stay on the list for years, play the odd game of wing or HFF, and 4-5 years later get cut. For new players to the club, why does it take years to learn the west coast way? They kick a football and train essentially every day, something is going wrong if they’re not developing. Then I think criticism of the fitness staff is fair. Objectively: high rate of muscle strains, high rate of recurrence, players given approval to play after extended lay offs when clearly lacking match fitness. Then the January 2km trial - really looked like a bunch of fat school kids who are forced to run cross country.

my solution is for a review and change. I suggest the patterns for coaching limitations have been present for 2-3 years. I don’t think they can improve much further. No doubt we are better served with new blood and new ideas. There’s no evolution at WCE. Whether we lose money out of the soft cap or not shouldn’t be the reason not to change. Clearly we need to look at the fitness side of things. Can’t run out game and injuries. All good excuses for losing, but a lot of this is preventable.

sorry if I’m rocking the cool crowd, I’m not happy with the mediocrity we’ve been demonstrating, and you can only rest on the laurels of the past for so long. A premiership in 92 and 94 doesn’t justify to me what will be a rapid drop if changes aren’t made to game plan, tactics, leadership, internal motivation, strength and conditioning and player recruitment and development.

Appreciate the attempt, though the "cool crowd" jibes for referring to people that don't agree with you are unnecessary.

Here's what I think is realistic and possible:

- 2021 season finishes. If I recall correctly the Eagles do a review of the club every 2 year, so that may be this year. If not I'm certain they will anyway after the disastrous end to the season.

- Simpson is backed but told changes need to happen to the game-plan. Yes it's outdated and slow and it's time to move forward. There's still some of it we can keep, but a overhaul needed in most areas. Sharp, fast corridor based ball movement has always been the way to win and we look a million bucks when we play this way.

- 2 assistants are moved on. My choices would be Webster and Pratt and we target people to come back to WA who have a history from here such as Pyke and Schofield. Asking Victorians to uproot their families and lives to come to WA in the Covid era is just not going to happen without us spending money over the soft cap.

- Medical staff are fine. "Why do our 33 year olds keep getting soft tissue injuries?" - it's because they're 33. Petch is a speed player so no surprise his hamstring issues. Some of the early returns are on the coaches and we need to give our stars time to recover before being brought back and get fitness back in the WAFL. One game in the seconds for Yeo and Shuey was not enough. It's not hard.

- List management & recruitment; I love Hurn, Shuey and Kennedy, but they're time on the list is almost up, if not over. We need to develop leaders and players in their positions. I don't mean to be disrespectful but something needs to be done now, not round 9 next season when all 3 retire at the same time. Straight away you can say Witherden, Edwards and Allen can all slot straight into their spots for now. I don't like shopping around players. If players ask for a trade then trade them, I'm pretty sure that's what our list managers have been doing all along anyway. Cull some deadwood as usual and hit the draft with all of our picks. Pick a midfielder with our first 3 picks, then start to look at what best available is left.

- No more credits in the bank. Start to reward or punish players for their form instead of sitting by with lazy performances. A culture of hunger from below will drive better performance from the top.

A healthy list, updated game-plan, motivated staff and players and a massive home-ground advantage and I believe Simpson can turn things around next year. Salting the Earth so we can become the next Carlton is not the answer.

 

[Freomaniac]

Except for 2015 which was Pyke and 2018 which was Mitchell.

Obviously.

Don Pyke is underrated and under appreciated to be honest.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

When you go against the grain of the cool crowd on this site you certainly cop a hard time. Just because someone doesn’t post everyday and hasn’t done so for a decade probably means they have a job and doesn’t make their opinions any less.

it’s a very conservative club and site. Multiple thrashings and losses to cellar dwellers and the only response from the club is we will review and learn. My observation is either review hasn’t occurred or they haven’t learned given the apparent patterns of losses and game style. Cool crowd will say let them review over the off-season but there are multiple full time professionals who day today job is to perform a root cause analysis and implement change. At a minimum this should occur between games, but surely coaching staff should be capable of doing this within a game. This has been my big criticism. Dour game style that has been worked. No plan b. No flexibility and no tactical changes to counteract teams adapting to us or to beat the oppositions style. I see our tactics from full back kick ins at an under 12 level. Long to the right to the big guy. I see our young midfield development deplorable. They stay on the list for years, play the odd game of wing or HFF, and 4-5 years later get cut. For new players to the club, why does it take years to learn the west coast way? They kick a football and train essentially every day, something is going wrong if they’re not developing. Then I think criticism of the fitness staff is fair. Objectively: high rate of muscle strains, high rate of recurrence, players given approval to play after extended lay offs when clearly lacking match fitness. Then the January 2km trial - really looked like a bunch of fat school kids who are forced to run cross country.

my solution is for a review and change. I suggest the patterns for coaching limitations have been present for 2-3 years. I don’t think they can improve much further. No doubt we are better served with new blood and new ideas. There’s no evolution at WCE. Whether we lose money out of the soft cap or not shouldn’t be the reason not to change. Clearly we need to look at the fitness side of things. Can’t run out game and injuries. All good excuses for losing, but a lot of this is preventable.

sorry if I’m rocking the cool crowd, I’m not happy with the mediocrity we’ve been demonstrating, and you can only rest on the laurels of the past for so long. A premiership in 92 and 94 doesn’t justify to me what will be a rapid drop if changes aren’t made to game plan, tactics, leadership, internal motivation, strength and conditioning and player recruitment and development.

Have you had time to think of a club in the AFL that has a “culture of excellence” that we don’t qualify for?

Even if you believe it’s all required, do you think it’s realistic to overhaul the coach, football dept, S/C department, players and recruiters in one fell swoop? Essentially starting next season as an expansion club for the sake of it, before you get to the astronomical cost which would cripple our club and put us in breach of the salary cap.

Do you really think “put an ad in the paper and see who applies” is a method of chasing this excellence we apparently fail to pursue?

 

[squashface]

When you go against the grain of the cool crowd on this site you certainly cop a hard time. Just because someone doesn’t post everyday and hasn’t done so for a decade probably means they have a job and doesn’t make their opinions any less.

it’s a very conservative club and site. Multiple thrashings and losses to cellar dwellers and the only response from the club is we will review and learn. My observation is either review hasn’t occurred or they haven’t learned given the apparent patterns of losses and game style. Cool crowd will say let them review over the off-season but there are multiple full time professionals who day today job is to perform a root cause analysis and implement change. At a minimum this should occur between games, but surely coaching staff should be capable of doing this within a game. This has been my big criticism. Dour game style that has been worked. No plan b. No flexibility and no tactical changes to counteract teams adapting to us or to beat the oppositions style. I see our tactics from full back kick ins at an under 12 level. Long to the right to the big guy. I see our young midfield development deplorable. They stay on the list for years, play the odd game of wing or HFF, and 4-5 years later get cut. For new players to the club, why does it take years to learn the west coast way? They kick a football and train essentially every day, something is going wrong if they’re not developing. Then I think criticism of the fitness staff is fair. Objectively: high rate of muscle strains, high rate of recurrence, players given approval to play after extended lay offs when clearly lacking match fitness. Then the January 2km trial - really looked like a bunch of fat school kids who are forced to run cross country.

my solution is for a review and change. I suggest the patterns for coaching limitations have been present for 2-3 years. I don’t think they can improve much further. No doubt we are better served with new blood and new ideas. There’s no evolution at WCE. Whether we lose money out of the soft cap or not shouldn’t be the reason not to change. Clearly we need to look at the fitness side of things. Can’t run out game and injuries. All good excuses for losing, but a lot of this is preventable.

sorry if I’m rocking the cool crowd, I’m not happy with the mediocrity we’ve been demonstrating, and you can only rest on the laurels of the past for so long. A premiership in 92 and 94 doesn’t justify to me what will be a rapid drop if changes aren’t made to game plan, tactics, leadership, internal motivation, strength and conditioning and player recruitment and development.

Differing opinions are fine and encouraged on this hellsite but when you hit us with things like literally wanting sack everyone with no solution as to how we even think about affording that and bringing an entirely new football and medical department in one offseason then it's pretty warranted that you get pushback.

 

[Doashuey]

- 2 assistants are moved on. My choices would be Webster and Pratt and we target people to come back to WA who have a history from here such as Pyke and Schofield. Asking Victorians to uproot their families and lives to come to WA in the Covid era is just not going to happen without us spending money over the soft cap.

I would argue this is the ideal time to uproot families from a state that has been plagued by Covid and is currently in its 6th lockdown. If I were living in Melbourne and was offered a great job at one of the biggest clubs in the league to live in a State that has experienced a total of 3 days lockdown in the past 12 months I'd jump at it.

 

[Chad in Vegas]

Don Pyke is underrated and under appreciated to be honest.

Going alright at Sydney this year for sure. The stink of the Crows camp will hang around for a while and make clubs second guess him for senior coach roles but he has some serious runs on the board outside of that **** up. I would jump at the chance to take him as an assistant. Would be a good get for your mob as well.

 

[Bender_]

I would argue this is the ideal time to uproot families from a state that has been plagued by Covid and is currently in its 6th lockdown. If I were living in Melbourne and was offered a great job at one of the biggest clubs in the league to live in a State that has experienced a total of 3 days lockdown in the past 12 months I'd jump at it.

Yeah I considered this, and then thought that having leaving elderly relatives behind with the risk of infection then not being able to get back to them would be a big turn off. Arguments for both sides really.

 

[southcoast]

David Teague

David Teague

Age

43

Ht

186cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.4

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.0

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.0

3star

may (will) be looking for a new job.

Any takers? - seemed to go ok as an assistant here and in Adelaide?


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[Karim Abdul Yeo]

I see we’ve reached the “Chris Scott has cost his team flags and therefore is a good coach” argument again.

I wasn’t talking about any of that but go off. I was just saying if we can’t expect an overhauled gameplan to catch on in one offseason, how is the answer get a new coach to overhaul the gameplan in one offseason?

anyway.

Oh, dear. God bless you and take care.

 

[The_Gambler]

Differing opinions are fine and encouraged on this hellsite but when you hit us with things like literally wanting sack everyone with no solution as to how we even think about affording that and bringing an entirely new football and medical department in one offseason then it's pretty warranted that you get pushback.

You’re being dramatic. I said Simpson should go. You lose a head coach and assistants fall out as a new coach always wants to bring their own. Tactically and motivationally something is very wrong. You tell me the last time you felt inspired by anything coming out of simpsons mouth? Imagine listening to him every day for years. I stand by the strength and conditioning coach to go. Soft tissue injuries, younger players unable to put on muscle, fatties, we can’t run out a game . These guys get paid a fortune they’re not a $60 per hour PT’s. I also stand by the head of recruiting being average. We’ve had 5-10 years to reflect on the lack of ability to identify and draft a midfielder of quality. Yes I’ll give you shuey and gaff. I think you take out sheeds 2018 finals series and he’s not a guy to build a team around. Then everyone else has been bought: yeo, redden, Kelly… throw in wellingham, Jetta. Hutchings mature age from st Kilda. No wonder we give away our draft picks. Then you need to ask why 1/3 of our list are HBFs. Do we really need 5 replacements for Hurn? Never have I said sack the players, but clearly there is turnover when you’ve been on the list 3-5 years snd not getting games + retirements. There is a really cultural problem of players dodging hard work all preseason. We laugh about McGovern and the beers, but beer culture had a professional club flows on. Too much getting down the coast and hitting the piss. What leaders do we have setting the example of being the best on the track? That flows on.

and for the guys suggesting waiting 1-2 years for a review. This should be a dynamic and ongoing process. Why concede a season? Every thumping… “ we will review and learn.” I doubt there’s learning. We seem lost. How you defend how bad we’ve been the last 2 months? Our plan a has been “get the troops back”. Well that didn’t work. What’s plan b? What’s-our strategy when the opposition to run and gun from the backline and take risks through the middle? What’s our change in plan when the opposition numbers flood back, stop our switch, stop our ability to bomb in to tall forwards and cause us to give up territory? Everyone can see it and we’ve come up with nothing. Yes an end of season review is needed but we need done independent thought and ideas. It’s too clicky atm. You can’t tell me that if we got a new coach, say clarkson wildly hoping, that every player wouldn’t come back with a reputation to prove? There goes your favorites and credits in the bank. You kind of need to fear day 1 back. I don’t think we do

and if you want clubs with better recent culture I’m happy to throw up Richmond, Geelong, Sydney, Brisbane.

 

[squashface]

You’re being dramatic. I said Simpson should go. You lose a head coach and assistants fall out as a new coach always wants to bring their own. Tactically and motivationally something is very wrong. You tell me the last time you felt inspired by anything coming out of simpsons mouth? Imagine listening to him every day for years. I stand by the strength and conditioning coach to go. Soft tissue injuries, younger players unable to put on muscle, fatties, we can’t run out a game . These guys get paid a fortune they’re not a $60 per hour PT’s. I also stand by the head of recruiting being average. We’ve had 5-10 years to reflect on the lack of ability to identify and draft a midfielder of quality. Yes I’ll give you shuey and gaff. I think you take out sheeds 2018 finals series and he’s not a guy to build a team around. Then everyone else has been bought: yeo, redden, Kelly… throw in wellingham, Jetta. Hutchings mature age from st Kilda. No wonder we give away our draft picks. Then you need to ask why 1/3 of our list are HBFs. Do we really need 5 replacements for Hurn? Never have I said sack the players, but clearly there is turnover when you’ve been on the list 3-5 years snd not getting games + retirements. There is a really cultural problem of players dodging hard work all preseason. We laugh about McGovern and the beers, but beer culture had a professional club flows on. Too much getting down the coast and hitting the piss. What leaders do we have setting the example of being the best on the track? That flows on.

and for the guys suggesting waiting 1-2 years for a review. This should be a dynamic and ongoing process. Why concede a season? Every thumping… “ we will review and learn.” I doubt there’s learning. We seem lost. How you defend how bad we’ve been the last 2 months? Our plan a has been “get the troops back”. Well that didn’t work. What’s plan b? What’s-our strategy when the opposition to run and gun from the backline and take risks through the middle? What’s our change in plan when the opposition numbers flood back, stop our switch, stop our ability to bomb in to tall forwards and cause us to give up territory? Everyone can see it and we’ve come up with nothing. Yes an end of season review is needed but we need done independent thought and ideas. It’s too clicky atm. You can’t tell me that if we got a new coach, say clarkson wildly hoping, that every player wouldn’t come back with a reputation to prove? There goes your favorites and credits in the bank. You kind of need to fear day 1 back. I don’t think we do

and if you want clubs with better recent culture I’m happy to throw up Richmond, Geelong, Sydney, Brisbane.

A lot of words there for not much content. Again, how do we replace Simpson, all his assistants, the fitness staff and the recruiting staff all in one go whilst staying inside the salary cap and overhauling the game plan in one preseason so that we are challenging for a flag immediately?

Positives:
A day closer to Simpson walking out and taking his stagnant group of assistants with him, along with fitness staff and head of recruiting

 

[Rowan18]

I would argue this is the ideal time to uproot families from a state that has been plagued by Covid and is currently in its 6th lockdown. If I were living in Melbourne and was offered a great job at one of the biggest clubs in the league to live in a State that has experienced a total of 3 days lockdown in the past 12 months I'd jump at it.

We haven't had it too bad here, but we've had three lockdowns this year for around 10-12 days total I think.

 

[Slash136]

We should just go over the soft cap and pay the tax. If any club can afford it we can. Spend an extra 4 mill and give 3 mill in tax to the AFL.

 

[The_Gambler]

We should just go over the soft cap and pay the tax. If any club can afford it we can. Spend an extra 4 mill and give 3 mill in tax to the AFL.

amen. Best person for the job and rebuild. Either you do that or blow some soft cap like hawthorn and collingwood are going to do. Likely Carlton with the turnover that’s going to happen there. Mistakes have been made if all these people have long term contracts. That needs reviewing.

 

[The_Gambler]

A lot of words there for not much content. Again, how do we replace Simpson, all his assistants, the fitness staff and the recruiting staff all in one go whilst staying inside the salary cap and overhauling the game plan in one preseason so that we are challenging for a flag immediately?

game plan not hard to change.

but we keep your attitude and 2022 is going to be worse than 2021 which is worse than 2020. Then we definitely lose Kennedy, shuey, Hurn, redden, and nicnat, shep, gaff, McGovern, darling all over 30 and it’s looking grim. But yes let’s pretend everything is rosey, we’ll wake up tomorrow and all credit will be paid back, and we will be the eagles of old

 

[squashface]

game plan not hard to change.

but we keep your attitude and 2022 is going to be worse than 2021 which is worse than 2020. Then we definitely lose Kennedy, shuey, Hurn, redden, and nicnat, shep, gaff, McGovern, darling all over 30 and it’s looking grim. But yes let’s pretend everything is rosey, we’ll wake up tomorrow and all credit will be paid back, and we will be the eagles of old

I mean I definitely said that the gameplan needs changing and the list needs a rejig but I just don’t think that sacking everyone in the football department is the way to go about it.

 

[Bender_]

Drop $3m, no sweat. Jesus Christ.

 

[WCErevival]

Why do people take what Simmo says in press conferences as any sort of indicator of whats going on? Its the same watered down dribble that players come out with when they're interviewed. Nothing speak to keep the media happy.

 

[The_Gambler]

I mean I definitely said that the gameplan needs changing and the list needs a rejig but I just don’t think that sacking everyone in the football department is the way to go about it.

do you know how many are in the football department? Casting 3-5 aside is fairly inconsequential. Staying with the same old is worse than creating change.it’s not job for life you know, this is a performance industry. And if 3-5 go over the next 1-2 years that’s fine, we just don’t know how dumb the club may been signing everyone up long term. Why would you? What’s the threat, they leave it someone else pinches them?

everyone blowing up about can’t move coaches, fitness staff or recruiters on because soft cap. Well if they have another year m their contract keep them. Sign someone new up with a backended deal, this stuffs not rocket science. You can’t tell me there aren’t high level ex players, coaches, exercise physiologists that wouldn’t kill to be at the eagles?