disagree. we learnt that Hickey relishes being a solo ruckmanUnfortunately we gained nothing by not playing him either.
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disagree. we learnt that Hickey relishes being a solo ruckmanUnfortunately we gained nothing by not playing him either.
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I hate statements like this. So misleading. Ok, yeah we "won" the clearances, but how many were Gaff blindly banging it on the boot to a Geelong player in front of his opponent? They set up for this scenario and reaped the rewards. Redden out hurt us greatly.Interesting observation made by Mead over at EFH, and if this goes against any rules, please dekete my post.
"After a crushing loss like that there's a tendency to resort to easy responses like questioning effort of players but here's the awkward statistical fact- our on ball unit actually did ok, they won the clearances 41-39.
But even with our mids getting a decent amount of first use Geelong utterly dominated us in possession 2:1, and put the ball inside 50 2:1.
That screams to me that the problem is structural rather than effort based. Good teams have figured out how to totally shut down our ball movement between the arcs, I think by setting up a fairly flat zone 20-30m ahead of the ball carrier and double teaming/playing.in front of JK/Darling behind that.
I am hoping against hope that narrow grounds function like wet grounds in terms of making this possible, but honestly I think we are in the shit big time."
Yes but they didnt pick a player that was going to add the run we shouldve been looking for by dropping vardy.they just added another tall,albeit one thats played some midfield on occassion.disagree. we learnt that Hickey relishes being a solo ruckman
Yep i was right lucky i never watched that rubbishPositives - Hickey
Negatives - many more posts from Figure09 over the coming weeks
I have noticed this in a few gamesAnother thing I noticed, Geelongs warm up before the toss was high intensity sprints etc while our blokes just ambled half heartedly through the drills. We did the same last year as well but could be a factor in us getting off to slow starts.
yeah but you also harped on all last year about how crap we were yet we still won the flag to go 4-0 over your beloved Dockers...
Even Big Footy knows you are a Docker, your Avatar is purple!I don't follow the Dockers but they are way better than us atm.
What is crap about this is we are getting flogged when we lose.
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The game was a total and utter disaster.
It gave us nothing. NOTHING. Usually there's a couple tid bits or positives to take away from a shocking loss, but that was just an absolute nightmare game.
Hickey was obviously a shining light, but you can argue that even his performance was blighted by the fact Stanley bad pretty much the exact same influence for them.
- Darling has reverted back to being a mentally weak, disinterested wet blanket.
3 marks and 1 tackle in his past 2 games. Has not taken a contested mark in his last 3 games. In 2018 he averaged 2.6 per game.
- Kennedy really does look like an ageing bloke these days. Gets beaten by his opponent more often than not, no matter who it is. We can't rely on him now.
- Schofield shouldn't be in the team. Cole has been in poor form for quite some time.
- Cripps... yikes. Maybe he just plays like a spud when Darling and Kennedy do too. Another beneficiary of us having no forward depth to make him accountable.
- Brander and Petch quiet. Other than Petch's goal we couldn't even get any shining lights from our young players.
- Almost feinted when Gaff kicked a decent drop punt to a leading player, and almost had a stroke when that player was Darling who actually marked it. Only took till 4th quarter.
I hate statements like this. So misleading. Ok, yeah we "won" the clearances, but how many were Gaff blindly banging it on the boot to a Geelong player in front of his opponent? They set up for this scenario and reaped the rewards. Redden out hurt us greatly.
totally agree. having Gaff receive the hard ball get then bomb is a bad tactic, he doesnt even look to handball it back to a free eagle. And if that is our tactic, why aint the players clued onto it and front and center when we do bomb it out? We were behind in most contests yesterday.Not just Gaff sadly. Plenty were kicking around corners from clearances.
I keep hearing that we are losing the 'contest', but to me that is far too simplistic. Gut feel (waiting for stats to make a fool of me) is that we are getting beaten in our forward and backlines on ground ball and CP's - but our midfield is ok... not winning it, but close to matching it.
I saw some analysis from David King a couple of weeks back - focused on CB clearances but still relevant - that when a team handballs more than twice during a clearance they score close to 50% of the time from that clearance chain. Our clearance work seems to focus on getting it forward as quickly as possible, which is the opposite of what is working this season.
I'm just not sure of the value of what we are trying to do at the moment. We play Masten (not getting into the debate on his place in the side specifically) and he takes the opposite wing at a stoppage - allowing Gaff to roll into the stoppage as our 'extra' in a quarterback position. But then the plan seems to be to shovel it out to him under pressure so he can kick around his body. Of course the opposition just sit their spare 40m away behind the play and intercept, switch, goal, rinse, repeat.
We have quite a few players who are seriously damaging when given time and space to deliver inside 50 (notwithstanding the numerous dropped marks yesterday) - but seem so intent on not allowing the opposition any space that we rob ourselves of it. Newsflash - we are currently getting killed on the outside anyway, and creating more space around a contest couldn't possibly make it any worse (and may actually allow our attacking player to also be defensive if we lose the clearance).
I know that's only one area of our issue, but positioning is quite easy to change (gamestyle is much harder to adjust) - hopefully we see some improved positioning this week.
When you have the talent to fire out 2-3 quick handballs to a free teammate, you should be doing that. We proved we could quickly transition from congested play to the wings last year, what has changed? We revert back to blind kicks?No-look hack kicks are rarely a great option, but I have slightly more tolerance for them when they're from someone with a penetrating kick. That's something Gaff doesn't have, so it's more problematic than usual when it's him doing it.
Think I’m having a supporters premiership hangover at this point. Would be great to go again obviously but I think it’s going to be hard to beat the events of last season.. Even if we took the flag out again it’s a little bit of “This is where we should be and anything else is an underachievement”. Little different to last year when we were just riding the wave of being underdogs and underappreciated throughout the seasonPositive:
Lowering my expectations for this year.
That way im not as emotionally invested in the result.
Perhaps. We have been on the end of a brutal schedule to date and our three wins have been against top four teams. Our draw does open up in the next 8 rounds so our destiny is in our hands.
The grave concern about yesterday is the -150 possessions. That is a complete and utter breakdown. Basically Geelong had the equivalent of 5 extra players all getting the footy 30 times each. How can that even happen?
We have been out played in our last 11 quarters, and look totally dis interested, i think we have a problem, as i said i hope i'm wrong, but the signs and lack of effort are concerning.
Love your optimism. We have bigger issues than you are fully admitting.