Autopsy Round 13, 2021: St.Kilda v Adelaide

[KingsRansom]

I reckon you could well be right. I think he has sent Bytel out to follow quality mids as a learning exercise too.

Definitely, we know that Bytel can get the ball, but he needs to round out alot more of his game to be a consistent performer at AFL level. Just a shame he can't go back to VFL atm and get in and under

 

[plugger66]

I am a bit old school , so first reaction to the Clark incident, was why he approached the contest unprotected.
But then, I realise that the AFL have basically told players that they shouldn't expect head high contact,- it's outlawed.
So I tend to agree with king that if you want to change the game you have to enforce the rules. Personally I prefer to keep the hits and the retribution, but it's a different world so if the league are serious, it's 5 to 8 for mine. No question he lined Clark up and made a statement. Ten years ago he probably gets 3 votes for it!
This thought process is probably why there is a 50/50 split in opinion.

No that isn’t right at all about the 50/50 split. Anyway it’s getting much closer to 60/40 about getting off and the many I have heard haven’t got the old attitude at all. They are discussing the incident and in their opinion he is playing the ball. And I’m not one of these old fashioned guys either. I say he is playing the ball so gets off. When long got 3 weeks I clearly said he will go because he chose to bump so suffers the consequences

 

[plugger66]

So Can you email Chrisso then?

Why? What did he do?

 

[plugger66]

Definitely, we know that Bytel can get the ball, but he needs to round out alot more of his game to be a consistent performer at AFL level. Just a shame he can't go back to VFL atm and get in and under

Should be able to next game.

 

[Xxxx66]

No that isn’t right at all about the 50/50 split. Anyway it’s getting much closer to 60/40 about getting off and the many I have heard haven’t got the old attitude at all. They are discussing the incident and in their opinion he is playing the ball. And I’m not one of these old fashioned guys either. I say he is playing the ball so gets off. When long got 3 weeks I clearly said he will go because he chose to bump so suffers the consequences

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. He ran straight at the ball knowing he was going to take out Clark in the process. So I would say he intended to do both. He could not of possibly thought he would scoop up the ball and not connect. In other words he should have foreseen his action could have resulted in an outlawed contact. If there is risk it's on you to take a different action.
I have no idea on the opinion split or who thinks what, it's more what rattles away in my head, but then again I have probably been on the wrong end of one two many concussions!

 

[Xxxx66]

Why? What did he do?

I thought me and st C had the solution sorted

 

[plugger66]

I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. He ran straight at the ball knowing he was going to take out Clark in the process. So I would say he intended to do both. He could not of possibly thought he would scoop up the ball and not connect. In other words he should have foreseen his action could have resulted in an outlawed contact. If there is risk it's on you to take a different action.
I have no idea on the opinion split or who thinks what, it's more what rattles away in my head, but then again I have probably been on the wrong end of one two many concussions!

I thought he ran at the ball hoping he could get it. Anyway matters little. Tribunal will decide

 

[gringo2011]

But there'd be very little content tho

We should have filter on here so that only our own options are reinforced. It would make it a lot more interesting than having different ideas shoved in our faces.

 

[plugger66]

We should have filter on here so that only our own options are reinforced. It would make it a lot more interesting than having different ideas shoved in our faces.

Ive said many times. If want to be 121% right just agree with me. Anyone with a different opinion is 132% wrong.

 

[Xxxx66]

I thought he ran at the ball hoping he could get it. Anyway matters little. Tribunal will decide

You know your stuff, so you might be on the money. The game seems to be in a transition faze so predicting what they may do is difficult.

 

[plugger66]

You know your stuff, so you might be on the money. The game seems to be in a transition faze so predicting what they may do is difficult.

I know less than my dead grandmother.

 

[bird_man]

heres another angle. can clearly see both feet off the ground at the moment his shoulder goes throw clarks head:
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this is the angle that will kill any argument McKay has for trying to win the footy:
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his hands do not make any outward motion like clarks did to pick up/catch/take possession of the footy. his arms turn into a bumping action where he brings the arm in and pushes through the shoulder to impact clark.

atleast Long had the decency in his action to slow down and get lower to brace for impact. McKay here goes higher and increases speed.

his intent is not to win the ball!!! his intent here was to protect himself by bumping!

What are you talking about?

His foot is clearly on the ground in the bottom photo at the point of impact. All you've done is waited until the foot leaves the ground to take another photo. No one is arguing both feet don't leave the ground after the initial impact. We can all see that without freezing the frame but He doesn't jump into him. That's just the result of a guy running full pelt towards a contest. op

Literally the only commentator I've heard suggest he should be rubbed out is King.

This is no surprise as he thinks anyone that makes contact with the head should get weeks. He even said himself last night it's a small price to pay if some players are hard done by to make it clear the AFL are serious about protecting the head.

To suggest a guy should slow down because in the end he was 2nd to the ball by one millisecond is ludicrous.

It's also not.true to suggest he was bracing for a bump. No doubt he would have tucked himself in once he felt contact as anyone woukd do but its very obvious he had his hands down reaching for the footy.

This is not image of a guy bracing himself for a bump.

Also, as the image says, Mckay touches the ball



Anyway, we are going around in circles now.so I'll leave it there.

 

[plugger66]

What are you talking about?

His foot is clearly on the ground in the bottom photo at the point of impact. All you've done is waited until the foot leaves the ground to take another photo. No one is arguing both feet don't leave the ground after the initial impact. We can all see that without freezing the frame but He doesn't jump into him. That's just the result of a guy running full pelt towards a contest. op

Literally the only commentator I've heard suggest he should be rubbed out is King.

This is no surprise as he thinks anyone that makes contact with the head should get weeks. He even said himself last night it's a small price to pay if some players are hard done by to make it clear the AFL are serious about protecting the head.

To suggest a guy should slow down because in the end he was 2nd to the ball by one millisecond is ludicrous.

It's also not.true to suggest he was bracing for a bump. No doubt he would have tucked himself in once he felt contact as anyone woukd do but its very obvious he had his hands down reaching for the footy.

This is not image of a guy bracing himself for a bump.

Also, as the image says, Mckay touches the ball

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Anyway, we are going around in circles now.so I'll leave it there.

The only difference between his opinion and yours is you are right.

 

[Darrian Barnett]

By the way Congratulations to the Mods George and Kildonian et al for quickly deleting (and hopefully suspending) the Crows supporters who flooded this thread with their unfunny jokes at our expense last night.

This was unbelievably pathetic from all the crows supporters. Still mad we big ballsed then over the crouch free agency.

 

[Sully111]

If we want to protect the players, the game has to change somewhat. Duty of care is a thing. I know people will panic and say the game will be soft, but that's simply not the case. Mackay had an opportunity to make that outcome different. He was going in to make a statement, and now Hunter's face is smashed up.
People don't want to see the game compromise a bit to try and ensure players don't have a messed up future, affecting both them and their loved ones. It's a selfish stand if you ask me.

 

[KingsRansom]

Ive said many times. If want to be 121% right just agree with me. Anyone with a different opinion is 132% wrong.

We all know that's 74% a lie and 82% truth

 

[KingsRansom]

This was unbelievably pathetic from all the crows supporters. Still mad we big ballsed then over the crouch free agency.

How is that pick 2 for crouch going for them?

 

[gringo2011]

i don't think there's a need to give up the chase. McKay just can't repeat that same action not attempting to make a realistic attempt to win the football. the key here is he cannot go higher through the contest and turn his shoulder into an opponent. that's not the action of someone trying to win the footy. its a poor action that's more inline with bumping.

if McKay just had a realistic attempt to win the football like Clark did by approaching the ball front on then you don't see this outcome.

i view it no different to an attempted hanger. if you make an unrealistic attempt and put ya knee into the back of someones head then you're going to give away a free kick.

if you go that fast into the contest and elect to bump then you're going to end up suspended if the player is injured, or in Long's case winded.

They want to make the bump the last resort option and outlaw it without outlawing it. You can choose to bump but you'd better not get the head or injure someone.

 

[lewdogs]

All this talk of reviews. I mean surely every club does a review every year?

 

[plugger66]

If we want to protect the players, the game has to change somewhat. Duty of care is a thing. I know people will panic and say the game will be soft, but that's simply not the case. Mackay had an opportunity to make that outcome different. He was going in to make a statement, and now Hunter's face is smashed up.
People don't want to see the game compromise a bit to try and ensure players don't have a messed up future, affecting both them and their loved ones. It's a selfish stand if you ask me.

All true but only if you think the Adelaide player wasn’t playing the ball Seems strange now most in the media say he was just trying to play the ball. Why would they be saying that unless they mean that.

 

[plugger66]

All this talk of reviews. I mean surely every club does a review every year?

You would hope so but I suppose there are reviews and then there are really reviews. Last year probably took an hour after winning a final and this year a week. The tigers review was over a bottle of no sugar coke and a quarter chicken and chips and 3 dim sims.

 

[stavro#4]

All this talk of reviews. I mean surely every club does a review every year?

It’s the timing.

how bad must a situation be that mid season a review occurs.

 

[jwikked]

If we want to protect the players, the game has to change somewhat. Duty of care is a thing. I know people will panic and say the game will be soft, but that's simply not the case. Mackay had an opportunity to make that outcome different. He was going in to make a statement, and now Hunter's face is smashed up.
People don't want to see the game compromise a bit to try and ensure players don't have a messed up future, affecting both them and their loved ones. It's a selfish stand if you ask me.

So ban the bump and ban the tackle?

Sport is dangerous. You can't legislate injury out of sports, it's going to happen. It's a freak accident in a contest for the ball, nothing more.
If people don't want to risk injury, don't play the game. Play touch footy instead.

 

[Sully111]

So ban the bump and ban the tackle?

Sport is dangerous. You can't legislate injury out of sports, it's going to happen. It's a freak accident in a contest for the ball, nothing more.
If people don't want to risk injury, don't play the game. Play touch footy instead.

Sport can be dangerous. Particularly our sport where people are sprinting in from all angles. And the game is faster than ever.

The fact is though, more is known about the permanent damage head knocks can do.

While all important me sits in my comfy chair on a saturday night, i'm just going to have to suck it up that mackay needs to go about that particular contest a little differently. I'll probably live.

And maybe more players can enjoy a normal life with their families after they finish playing.

 

[jwikked]

Sport can be dangerous. Particularly our sport where people are sprinting in from all angles. And the game is faster than ever.

The fact is though, more is known about the permanent damage head knocks can do.

While all important me sits in my comfy chair on a saturday night, i'm just going to suck it up that mackay needs to go about that particular contest a little differently. I'll probably live.

And maybe more players can enjoy a normal life with their families after they finish playing.

So he should have squibbed the contest? Got it. You'd rather see players shit themselves in pursuit of the ball, rather than make a contest.