Hope so, my comments were merely an opinion.
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Review Round 2 versus Richmond, the autopsy
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It was a windy night
But... Channel 7 commentators told me that it wasn't windy close to goals! It has to be true.
The Young Chevalier
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Yeah obviously those stats don't tell the whole story but I was intending to say was that the youngsters should be excused for fumbles at crucial times, getting pushed off the ball, over running it, being out of position, getting caught with the ball, failing to kill a contest etc because they're young and young players make mistakes like those. It's the more senior players who have made the exact same mistakes yet have had 150 games to correct them that IMO should be most harshly critiqued.
mate, they do.
The Young Chevalier
Team Captain
Yeah fair enough
1 or 2 kids you can live with but we have 5+. we are fooked with that many.
So coaches have a salary cap now?
jmac70
On the porch
There is a tax on football department spending. Pert is on record as saying we wont pay it. Bucks has no control over that so blame the person who does.
Pert and Buckley out please.
Is this a joke? The Collingwood football club is just that a joke if true
jmac70
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Paul Seedsman is a quality wingman?
TradeDraft
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jmac70
On the porch
I doubt that.
For me the whole system looks flawed, the players look and play like robots with specific actions and modes for every scenario, there seems to be no actual free thinking in the way they play.
Buckley wants a high possession ball movement style of game, once again this means you are more prone to turnovers especially if your skills are only average, share share and share by hand to achieve bugger all yardage and eventually give it up or allow the opposition defenders to get back because you stuff around with it too much.
Same crap every year and then he goes on the pressers and insults our intelligence by talking more shit and repeating clichés he has used 100 times before!
Buckley wants a high possession ball movement style of game, once again this means you are more prone to turnovers especially if your skills are only average, share share and share by hand to achieve bugger all yardage and eventually give it up or allow the opposition defenders to get back because you stuff around with it too much.
Same crap every year and then he goes on the pressers and insults our intelligence by talking more shit and repeating clichés he has used 100 times before!
Undoubtedly, all I'm saying is that the season is not over yet. Sydney could well be 0-2 tonight. I'm sure they'll back themselves
Have the steak knifes gone rusty?
jmac70
On the porch
He's a bit rusty at the moment, but will hopefully get back into the sort of form he has shown he is capable of.
Trump4coach
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Nothing changes, our recruiters still serve up workmanlike poorly skilled big hearted teams that aren't quite good enough but oh so brave
Starting with the individuals. Huge props to Grundy and Goldsack for their games. Howe, Treloar and Pendles good too. As I thought WHE does very well when pushed forward so more of that will help the team. And I'd love for us to stop pushing Pendles out of the middle, he went back and forward at times and our clearance numbers suffered from it. Only when he was truly back in the middle in the second half did we start to make gains in that area. Blair and Crisp again with horror games.
The strange thing is our structures are so predictable that the answer to them is just as predictable (push numbers back, catch us on the rebound) so it feels like watching the same game two weeks in a row.
It probably comes down to two options:
1. The game plan is working but it is being killed by our kicking skills and inaccuracy in front of goal
2. The gameplan is flawed and doesn't allow us easy options on the field to kick to or easy kicks at goals
If you're thinking option 1., you're probably looking at where we dominated in general play in the first two rounds, in the midfield against the dogs and overall
scoring shots especially in that first half against Richmond.
I'm leaning towards 2. at this stage. It feels to me that we either have all our team back and have no one to kick it to when we rebound, therefore can't score from chains starting in the D50 like teams do against us and end up trying impossible kicks to no one... or we have all our numbers forward therefore so does the opposition and it creates so much congestion that we end up turning it over and getting caught on the rebound. Adding to this is that our all-team press just gets everyone tired and kicking accuracy definitely would suffer from that in a limited interchange environment.
There's definitely an adjustment to be made and I think it can be made, bu we've now completely changed our game plan two years in a row (last year in the first 6 rounds we were playing our loose zone and spending most of our time with the ball in our defensive 50) and two years in a row it's not looking right from the start and putting an end to our season before it started and we can't underestimate the confidence loss players would have after performances like this.
Let's see how quickly adjustments are made and I think we have to give it another couple of games before we know for sure why we're unsuccessful, but we're certainly looking like a team in need of a fresh change of coaching and culture.
The strange thing is our structures are so predictable that the answer to them is just as predictable (push numbers back, catch us on the rebound) so it feels like watching the same game two weeks in a row.
It probably comes down to two options:
1. The game plan is working but it is being killed by our kicking skills and inaccuracy in front of goal
2. The gameplan is flawed and doesn't allow us easy options on the field to kick to or easy kicks at goals
If you're thinking option 1., you're probably looking at where we dominated in general play in the first two rounds, in the midfield against the dogs and overall
scoring shots especially in that first half against Richmond.
I'm leaning towards 2. at this stage. It feels to me that we either have all our team back and have no one to kick it to when we rebound, therefore can't score from chains starting in the D50 like teams do against us and end up trying impossible kicks to no one... or we have all our numbers forward therefore so does the opposition and it creates so much congestion that we end up turning it over and getting caught on the rebound. Adding to this is that our all-team press just gets everyone tired and kicking accuracy definitely would suffer from that in a limited interchange environment.
There's definitely an adjustment to be made and I think it can be made, bu we've now completely changed our game plan two years in a row (last year in the first 6 rounds we were playing our loose zone and spending most of our time with the ball in our defensive 50) and two years in a row it's not looking right from the start and putting an end to our season before it started and we can't underestimate the confidence loss players would have after performances like this.
Let's see how quickly adjustments are made and I think we have to give it another couple of games before we know for sure why we're unsuccessful, but we're certainly looking like a team in need of a fresh change of coaching and culture.
i think the game plan is fine, the stats reflect that. I think our players are fine, previous history suggests we have a skilful side, remember back end of last year we were one of the better users of the ball.
I have a view that our poor execution with ball in hand is a reflection of focus over the preseason. Perhaps more time was spent on physical conditioning as a means to avoid a repeat of previous years where injuries destroyed our hope of playing finals football. Less time spent on skill acquisition might explain the extraordinary failings across the board and from players that are generally elite users of the ball.
It might be the eternal optimist in me, but I back the club and the players to turn it around as early as next week...
I have a view that our poor execution with ball in hand is a reflection of focus over the preseason. Perhaps more time was spent on physical conditioning as a means to avoid a repeat of previous years where injuries destroyed our hope of playing finals football. Less time spent on skill acquisition might explain the extraordinary failings across the board and from players that are generally elite users of the ball.
It might be the eternal optimist in me, but I back the club and the players to turn it around as early as next week...
I have been a pretty harsh critic last few weeks but there is also a lot to like about our games its not all negative.
I just feel a couple of adjustments/moves/selections would of seen us win those games.
jmac70
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The problem in my opinion is that our mids don't take risks. They kick down the line and don't move the ball fast enough. I think if we move Reid into the forward line it would give the mids confidence to take the game on more.
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