The Trade Thread (Part 1)
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Re: The Trade Thread
What's important to understand with that list is I'm only going off what I have been able to find in articles and press releases from the club. So obviously few those on the list could well be signed and the club jut hasn't announced them yet.
Armo reportable only signed 1 year deal last season.
Steven was in a article as "suspected" to be out contract
Gilbert- I have heard couple things that he is signed until 2012 but can't find anything about it
What's important to understand with that list is I'm only going off what I have been able to find in articles and press releases from the club. So obviously few those on the list could well be signed and the club jut hasn't announced them yet.
Armo reportable only signed 1 year deal last season.
Steven was in a article as "suspected" to be out contract
Gilbert- I have heard couple things that he is signed until 2012 but can't find anything about it
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In the near future though we could have all of Lynch, Walsh, Ferguson, Simpkin, Clarke, Gilbert, Fisher, Dawson, Gwilt playing well in the backline.
Not sure if we are sure enough now to pre-empt their sucess, and only Gilbert would be of any significant trade value right now.
In the near future though we could have all of Lynch, Walsh, Ferguson, Simpkin, Clarke, Gilbert, Fisher, Dawson, Gwilt playing well in the backline.
Not sure if we are sure enough now to pre-empt their sucess, and only Gilbert would be of any significant trade value right now.
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Trade bait could include Gilbert, Kosi, Geary, McQualter, Armitage, Lynch and possibly Stanley, IMO. No idea who's contracted and who's not.
I would give up any for deal involving Pearce, Clarke and Walker though.
Trade bait could include Gilbert, Kosi, Geary, McQualter, Armitage, Lynch and possibly Stanley, IMO. No idea who's contracted and who's not.
I would give up any for deal involving Pearce, Clarke and Walker though.
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I'm not sure how good my opinion is, but I guess I'd value our players at something like:
Gilbert : late first round pick, or early second. I guess I'd compare and rate him slightly less than Josh Gibson who was traded ( with pick 69 ) for picks 24 and 41.
Kosi: Couldn't see him being rated at better than a third round pick.
Geary: Maybe a third rounder.
McQualter: Maybe a 4th rounder.
Armitage 2nd rounder.
Lynch , Maybe a 3rd rounder.
I the case of Armitage, Lynch, Geary, I can see potential for improvement, that is probably unrecognised by potential trade partners, which would be lost if we traded them now.
Then again, Adelaide paid an end of round 1 pick for Richard tambling, so I guess it all depends if you find a stooge to buy what you are selling. ( I'm sure I'm more comfortable with Polo for pick 103 than I would be If we'd traded our first pick ( Cripps ) for Tambling.
I'm not sure how good my opinion is, but I guess I'd value our players at something like:
Gilbert : late first round pick, or early second. I guess I'd compare and rate him slightly less than Josh Gibson who was traded ( with pick 69 ) for picks 24 and 41.
Kosi: Couldn't see him being rated at better than a third round pick.
Geary: Maybe a third rounder.
McQualter: Maybe a 4th rounder.
Armitage 2nd rounder.
Lynch , Maybe a 3rd rounder.
I the case of Armitage, Lynch, Geary, I can see potential for improvement, that is probably unrecognised by potential trade partners, which would be lost if we traded them now.
Then again, Adelaide paid an end of round 1 pick for Richard tambling, so I guess it all depends if you find a stooge to buy what you are selling. ( I'm sure I'm more comfortable with Polo for pick 103 than I would be If we'd traded our first pick ( Cripps ) for Tambling.
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I'm not convinced that Gilbert will be part of a winning GF team, he hurts the effort far too much with his iffy disposals yet has currency at this point to be a viable trade aspect, the problem, is that guys who would take his position aren't demanding the spot that we may not be able to take the gamble.
You'd think "trade ups" would be the mid tier fringe guys like Mini & Eddy as they've been in the system and simply not demanded a spot and flirted, Raph is in the same boat but is currently in good enough form to warrant persisting with for an extra year unless he tails off horribly and gets injured again.
Overall, I think Punter is on the ball that we won't be active with trading and will simply recycle through the draft, we've got guys like Faz, Polo, Gamble, Dawson who were brought in from other clubs to become effective bottom-mid aged players to counter the "batch" from Kosi & Rooey's group, so you don't really need more recycles unless they're good value for picks, since you'd be better off delisting and drafting bottom-mid aged replacements.
I'm not convinced that Gilbert will be part of a winning GF team, he hurts the effort far too much with his iffy disposals yet has currency at this point to be a viable trade aspect, the problem, is that guys who would take his position aren't demanding the spot that we may not be able to take the gamble.
You'd think "trade ups" would be the mid tier fringe guys like Mini & Eddy as they've been in the system and simply not demanded a spot and flirted, Raph is in the same boat but is currently in good enough form to warrant persisting with for an extra year unless he tails off horribly and gets injured again.
Overall, I think Punter is on the ball that we won't be active with trading and will simply recycle through the draft, we've got guys like Faz, Polo, Gamble, Dawson who were brought in from other clubs to become effective bottom-mid aged players to counter the "batch" from Kosi & Rooey's group, so you don't really need more recycles unless they're good value for picks, since you'd be better off delisting and drafting bottom-mid aged replacements.
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Lets be honest we would be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Kosi. Who would seriously want him? GWS maybe but noone else..
Reckon Tom Lynch could be traded this year. Ross doesnt seem to like him for some reason. Plays out position to where he plays his best footy at Sandy. Probably a few teams that would look at his form at Sandy and wonder why he doesnt play there in AFL and target him....
Lets be honest we would be lucky to get a 4th round pick for Kosi. Who would seriously want him? GWS maybe but noone else..
Reckon Tom Lynch could be traded this year. Ross doesnt seem to like him for some reason. Plays out position to where he plays his best footy at Sandy. Probably a few teams that would look at his form at Sandy and wonder why he doesnt play there in AFL and target him....
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The more time goes by the more I feel that the only player we would even look at is Mitch Clark. It will cost us something big though (Gilbert + 1st rounder for Clark +2nd?)
As for drafting though I can see a few spot open up -
Gardiner
Blake
Baker
McQualter
Cahill
Eddy
I would hope we could look at drafting some of the following guys who have performed well in the VFL -
Tom Sundberg
Ahmed Saad
Shane Tuck
Will Johnson
Tommy Walsh
Daniel Archer
...wait a minute
Seriously though, if we want a couple of mature players Sundberg and Saad should be ready to go and will be available in the second round I would think. If Tuck is gone from the Tiges then we should grab him. Too good a player to be stuck in the 2's and he could give us the mature body to back up Lenny as well as free up Steven, Dal, BJ and Armo to rotate through HF/HB even more.
The more time goes by the more I feel that the only player we would even look at is Mitch Clark. It will cost us something big though (Gilbert + 1st rounder for Clark +2nd?)
As for drafting though I can see a few spot open up -
Gardiner
Blake
Baker
McQualter
Cahill
Eddy
I would hope we could look at drafting some of the following guys who have performed well in the VFL -
Tom Sundberg
Ahmed Saad
Shane Tuck
Will Johnson
Tommy Walsh
Daniel Archer
...wait a minute
Seriously though, if we want a couple of mature players Sundberg and Saad should be ready to go and will be available in the second round I would think. If Tuck is gone from the Tiges then we should grab him. Too good a player to be stuck in the 2's and he could give us the mature body to back up Lenny as well as free up Steven, Dal, BJ and Armo to rotate through HF/HB even more.
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There is no way that Kosi would go to another club. He lives and breathes the Saints, and he's a heart-player. If he's not playing for us, he's retiring.
We did remarkably well with finding some "gems" in last year's draft down deep in it, so even though this is meant to be a crap draft, we might do so again. I suspect we're more likely to accept it's crap, and go for a bit of a top-up. People will moan-and-groan about it, that Ross doesn't understand youth-youth-youth, but there's no point him picking 5 17yo duds just for the sake of it. The place to experiment with projects and possibles (ie, usually duds) is the rookie system - I'd imagine that's going to be a heavier emphasis for us next year in terms of junior recruiting.
Definitely not averse to some WAFL/SANFL/VFL etc gems being taken either. Point is, let's get more grown-ups, and scare the crap out of teams for 2012-2013. Let the good crop we've got this year keep growing, and then have fun after that, too.
There is no way that Kosi would go to another club. He lives and breathes the Saints, and he's a heart-player. If he's not playing for us, he's retiring.
We did remarkably well with finding some "gems" in last year's draft down deep in it, so even though this is meant to be a crap draft, we might do so again. I suspect we're more likely to accept it's crap, and go for a bit of a top-up. People will moan-and-groan about it, that Ross doesn't understand youth-youth-youth, but there's no point him picking 5 17yo duds just for the sake of it. The place to experiment with projects and possibles (ie, usually duds) is the rookie system - I'd imagine that's going to be a heavier emphasis for us next year in terms of junior recruiting.
Definitely not averse to some WAFL/SANFL/VFL etc gems being taken either. Point is, let's get more grown-ups, and scare the crap out of teams for 2012-2013. Let the good crop we've got this year keep growing, and then have fun after that, too.
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I think Gilbert is the only player that is worth enough to trade, that we could cover.
We still have Fisher ,Gwilt, Dawson, Blake, and Raph.
Lynch could possibly provide some run if we played him off the backline ( based on VFL games ). Simpkin seems like an OK depth player already, with an upside, and we still have some strong maybe's in Ferguson and Walsh.
I see him as the only option if we wanted to trade a player for someone like Clarke.
I think Gilbert is the only player that is worth enough to trade, that we could cover.
We still have Fisher ,Gwilt, Dawson, Blake, and Raph.
Lynch could possibly provide some run if we played him off the backline ( based on VFL games ). Simpkin seems like an OK depth player already, with an upside, and we still have some strong maybe's in Ferguson and Walsh.
I see him as the only option if we wanted to trade a player for someone like Clarke.
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Gilbert and 3rd rounder for Clarke?
Gilbert straight swap for Pearce?
Wow I'm really keen to get Pearce lol.
Gilbert and 3rd rounder for Clarke?
Gilbert straight swap for Pearce?
Wow I'm really keen to get Pearce lol.
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Pearce is a good example of the other policy I'd be taking. Look at the bottom-four teams, and who they're delisting, or who wants out. Then get some of them.
When the dust has settled over on SS at the disgraceful state of our recruiting, hopefully we'll all realise that sometimes players are dud players at a dud team because of a dud coach. Harvey at Freo WAS for a long time a dud coach - that's why Peakey was delisted, and came good with us. Wallace was the duddest dud coach of all time - which is why we took a chance on Pattison (and in retrospect, should have kept him on this year) and now Polo. Zac wasn't from a dud team, but he was clearly maligned, as were Gamble and several others. We've shown that a dud player with a great coach can become a good player. It's also a remarkably cheap option in this period of GWS and GC stealing everything.
Pearce, along with quite a few others are desperate to jump out of the Power like rats from a sinking ship on Port River. Sure, some of those might go to GWS, but not all of them - and not all of the good potentials - will go there, or anywhere.
Oh, and with Mitch Clarke etc, it depends on what they want. If they want the cash, fine, GWS is their best option. If they want Premierships, they shouldn't go there, because they'll only play for about another 5 years, and there is no way in God's green earth that those teams will win premierships in that time. If they want a chance for that, they should look to go to a Top-6 team. We are a top-6 team. These guys have been at teams with no potential for a premiership (Clarke at Brissy, Pearce at Port), they know how much it sucks to lose every week, no matter how much you get paid. Winning is a great recruiting incentive.
Pearce is a good example of the other policy I'd be taking. Look at the bottom-four teams, and who they're delisting, or who wants out. Then get some of them.
When the dust has settled over on SS at the disgraceful state of our recruiting, hopefully we'll all realise that sometimes players are dud players at a dud team because of a dud coach. Harvey at Freo WAS for a long time a dud coach - that's why Peakey was delisted, and came good with us. Wallace was the duddest dud coach of all time - which is why we took a chance on Pattison (and in retrospect, should have kept him on this year) and now Polo. Zac wasn't from a dud team, but he was clearly maligned, as were Gamble and several others. We've shown that a dud player with a great coach can become a good player. It's also a remarkably cheap option in this period of GWS and GC stealing everything.
Pearce, along with quite a few others are desperate to jump out of the Power like rats from a sinking ship on Port River. Sure, some of those might go to GWS, but not all of them - and not all of the good potentials - will go there, or anywhere.
Oh, and with Mitch Clarke etc, it depends on what they want. If they want the cash, fine, GWS is their best option. If they want Premierships, they shouldn't go there, because they'll only play for about another 5 years, and there is no way in God's green earth that those teams will win premierships in that time. If they want a chance for that, they should look to go to a Top-6 team. We are a top-6 team. These guys have been at teams with no potential for a premiership (Clarke at Brissy, Pearce at Port), they know how much it sucks to lose every week, no matter how much you get paid. Winning is a great recruiting incentive.
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Hopefully gws don't get pearce first.
Hopefully gws don't get pearce first.
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Tuck won't play 50 games for St Kilda, let alone 100. Too old to get value out of.
Tuck won't play 50 games for St Kilda, let alone 100. Too old to get value out of.
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If they resign him, they're wasting their time not playing him.
I'm not sure someone like Gilbert will want to leave St Kilda. He's best 22 in a top 8 side, I'd think he'd be fully content where he is right now. Same with Armitage, now he's getting games. Don't try and force him out either. Rischitelli and Bradshaw shows that doesn't work.
However, I can definitely see kids like Lynch, Simpkin, Smith, Johnson and Stanley, kids who have talent but aren't getting games, wanting out of the Saints. I think we wouldn't be getting full value from trading them though. Stanley would attract something, but I'd like to give him another year.
If we were going to trade for Pearce, we'd probably have to give up a second round pick, if we're lucky. Port won't accept any less (and may not accept that unless they have no other choice). We can't trade players either, because realistically, I doubt anyone on our list wants to go to Port.
If they resign him, they're wasting their time not playing him.
I'm not sure someone like Gilbert will want to leave St Kilda. He's best 22 in a top 8 side, I'd think he'd be fully content where he is right now. Same with Armitage, now he's getting games. Don't try and force him out either. Rischitelli and Bradshaw shows that doesn't work.
However, I can definitely see kids like Lynch, Simpkin, Smith, Johnson and Stanley, kids who have talent but aren't getting games, wanting out of the Saints. I think we wouldn't be getting full value from trading them though. Stanley would attract something, but I'd like to give him another year.
If we were going to trade for Pearce, we'd probably have to give up a second round pick, if we're lucky. Port won't accept any less (and may not accept that unless they have no other choice). We can't trade players either, because realistically, I doubt anyone on our list wants to go to Port.
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I didn't realise Tuck was that old. However in his last game for the tiges 2 weeks ago he got 32 possessions at 90% efficiency, 6 marks, 4 tackles. I watched that game and I remember him standing out because I was thinking he was the only tiger that looked any good at all. Every time he got the ball he was so clean.
He may only have a few seasons left but that would mean he would be very cheap wouldn't he? Maybe get him in the psd.
I wouldn't say no to a deal that involved us trading Stanley to the Tiges for a 2nd rd pick + Tuck.
I didn't realise Tuck was that old. However in his last game for the tiges 2 weeks ago he got 32 possessions at 90% efficiency, 6 marks, 4 tackles. I watched that game and I remember him standing out because I was thinking he was the only tiger that looked any good at all. Every time he got the ball he was so clean.
He may only have a few seasons left but that would mean he would be very cheap wouldn't he? Maybe get him in the psd.
I wouldn't say no to a deal that involved us trading Stanley to the Tiges for a 2nd rd pick + Tuck.
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I'm of the opinion Tuck will be delisted at the end of the year, so if we wanted, we could probably get him for free.
I'm of the opinion Tuck will be delisted at the end of the year, so if we wanted, we could probably get him for free.
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Schnieder was happy at Sydney until they rang him up and told him he was moving to StKilda. Thats how it works. Similarly young players can request a trade but make not get one, ask Luke Ball.
Someone today was saying they didnt expect John Anthony to be at Freo again next year. I tend to say naahhh , but I'll throw it up for comment.
Schnieder was happy at Sydney until they rang him up and told him he was moving to StKilda. Thats how it works. Similarly young players can request a trade but make not get one, ask Luke Ball.
Someone today was saying they didnt expect John Anthony to be at Freo again next year. I tend to say naahhh , but I'll throw it up for comment.
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Well, I'm not sure Gilbert would be against moving as such, but to go to Port isn't an attractive proposition.
I don't really like JA as an option. Have heard he has attitude issues, and Freo have been shattered with injuries this year and he still can't get a game.
Well, I'm not sure Gilbert would be against moving as such, but to go to Port isn't an attractive proposition.
I don't really like JA as an option. Have heard he has attitude issues, and Freo have been shattered with injuries this year and he still can't get a game.
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I totally agree with your comments on White but with Swift please tell me thats a joke? Swift is one of the worst disposalists going around... he's a good Waafl player but that's about it. I hope the Saints stay clear of both Swift & White.
We need a ruckman....
I totally agree with your comments on White but with Swift please tell me thats a joke? Swift is one of the worst disposalists going around... he's a good Waafl player but that's about it. I hope the Saints stay clear of both Swift & White.
We need a ruckman....
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I watch alot of Wafl & unfortunately my beloved Perth Demons suck but it does give an opportunity to see some good mature aged players. Wilson would be the answer too our 2nd/3rd forward tall. Karl Langdon said the other night that WCE will probably delist Wilson at the end of the year to allow for top ups with draft picks. So it might not be impossible to get him in a Saints jumper next year......
I watch alot of Wafl & unfortunately my beloved Perth Demons suck but it does give an opportunity to see some good mature aged players. Wilson would be the answer too our 2nd/3rd forward tall. Karl Langdon said the other night that WCE will probably delist Wilson at the end of the year to allow for top ups with draft picks. So it might not be impossible to get him in a Saints jumper next year......
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