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Why aren't they giving him a game? Didn't he kick something like 8 goals in 3 games last year?
Why aren't they giving him a game? Didn't he kick something like 8 goals in 3 games last year?
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SamFisher25
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good question but they aren't playing him.
understand he plays as a forward in the WAFL.
to me though he takes over from a blake in our backline.
perhaps they're grooming him to take over from an ancient.
dont know what his form is like but know that the young man is a natural.
we need a versatile running/marking defender with the retirements of bakes and blakey to move forward.
good question but they aren't playing him.
understand he plays as a forward in the WAFL.
to me though he takes over from a blake in our backline.
perhaps they're grooming him to take over from an ancient.
dont know what his form is like but know that the young man is a natural.
we need a versatile running/marking defender with the retirements of bakes and blakey to move forward.
Look2Me4Guidance
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Pearce isn't more talented than Lovett.
I'm not convinced. His pros help us absolutely, but I'm not sure about his work ethic and given we'd be paying overs in terms of any trade, I'm not sure.
Pearce isn't more talented than Lovett.
I'm not convinced. His pros help us absolutely, but I'm not sure about his work ethic and given we'd be paying overs in terms of any trade, I'm not sure.
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Reclaimation projects should be blokes who haven't had the proper opportunity at the top level due to a number of factors.
Danyle Pearce has played plenty of senior footy, and has had his chance. Pass.
Reclaimation projects should be blokes who haven't had the proper opportunity at the top level due to a number of factors.
Danyle Pearce has played plenty of senior footy, and has had his chance. Pass.
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Pearce not as talented as Lovett? Thats debateable. Also he's younger than Lovett, and talking about talent and work ethic, its a bit hard to measure considering the quality of football from the club in the last 4 years. It might be hard, but I remember quite clearly how good his best football was. Look what Burgoyne has done for hawthorn. He's been massive for them.
Anyway, he's one of many very good footballers that might be available at year end.
Pearce not as talented as Lovett? Thats debateable. Also he's younger than Lovett, and talking about talent and work ethic, its a bit hard to measure considering the quality of football from the club in the last 4 years. It might be hard, but I remember quite clearly how good his best football was. Look what Burgoyne has done for hawthorn. He's been massive for them.
Anyway, he's one of many very good footballers that might be available at year end.
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LOL Pearce has 100x more potential in his big toe than Lovett ever did. After his debut season, which was elite for a first year player, he has copped an extremely hard tag every single game. Sometimes it just takes a good hard coach to get the work out rate out of a player to realize their potential.
Lovett was also 27ish when we drafted him? Pearce would only have to be 22-23 tops?
LOL Pearce has 100x more potential in his big toe than Lovett ever did. After his debut season, which was elite for a first year player, he has copped an extremely hard tag every single game. Sometimes it just takes a good hard coach to get the work out rate out of a player to realize their potential.
Lovett was also 27ish when we drafted him? Pearce would only have to be 22-23 tops?
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Pearce is 25, 26 next year. I think he would be great for us because he'd never be tagged again.
Pearce is 25, 26 next year. I think he would be great for us because he'd never be tagged again.
SamFisher25
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yeah pearce.
quality footballer cant believe his own club bags him.
he'd be on 350++ now would he take a haircut to come to a top club and/or is it at all a case of once bitten for us?
yeah pearce.
quality footballer cant believe his own club bags him.
he'd be on 350++ now would he take a haircut to come to a top club and/or is it at all a case of once bitten for us?
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Simpkin, Lynch , Fergason. Wouldn't it make more sense to trade for players we need rather than players that will make our talented youth more disaffected.
Simpkin, Lynch , Fergason. Wouldn't it make more sense to trade for players we need rather than players that will make our talented youth more disaffected.
SamFisher25
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jury out on all three of those blokes. wilson you get a more mature-bodied individual.
IIBH simpkin, lynch and ferguson are battlers, struggling. no-one will know for sure until twelve months from now.
we need insurance down back. bakes and blakey may be retired although one feels that they'll go around again.
i personally feel that we need to get a ready-made running marking backman and give him twelve months in our system for insurance purposes.
some feel we need a ruck i feel we need good defensive insurance just my opinion.
jury out on all three of those blokes. wilson you get a more mature-bodied individual.
IIBH simpkin, lynch and ferguson are battlers, struggling. no-one will know for sure until twelve months from now.
we need insurance down back. bakes and blakey may be retired although one feels that they'll go around again.
i personally feel that we need to get a ready-made running marking backman and give him twelve months in our system for insurance purposes.
some feel we need a ruck i feel we need good defensive insurance just my opinion.
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Has he even played in the Backline. Lynch and Simpkin have a very good record of playing well in the backline at VFL in a lot of games.
Given that Wilson was promoted off the Rookie list at the same time as Simpkin why is he regarded as a sure thing? ( Simpkin is only 3Kg lighter for the same weight as well and comes with plenty of Colac aggro ).
On the plus side Wilson plays forward so he could compete for a spot with Gamble and Siposs.
Has he even played in the Backline. Lynch and Simpkin have a very good record of playing well in the backline at VFL in a lot of games.
Given that Wilson was promoted off the Rookie list at the same time as Simpkin why is he regarded as a sure thing? ( Simpkin is only 3Kg lighter for the same weight as well and comes with plenty of Colac aggro ).
On the plus side Wilson plays forward so he could compete for a spot with Gamble and Siposs.
Persevering Saint
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As a person who grew up in Colac until I was 16, I endorse this post.
As a person who grew up in Colac until I was 16, I endorse this post.
Look2Me4Guidance
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Ok, so you over-rate Pearce. He's 25 and has played 129 games.
So you're saying he's copped a tag for 4+ years and hasn't learnt to break it. AFTER 4 YEARS?????
Forgive me again for questioning his work ethic.
Ok, so you over-rate Pearce. He's 25 and has played 129 games.
So you're saying he's copped a tag for 4+ years and hasn't learnt to break it. AFTER 4 YEARS?????
Forgive me again for questioning his work ethic.
Persevering Saint
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Just throwing it out there, mate.
But what if he doesn't need to break it? What if he can be a grat player when Dal or Joey get the tag? What if he can do a Peake, and realise 2nd chances are generally last chances, and step up his work ethic?
Just throwing it out there, mate.
SamFisher25
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if blakey and bakes retire simpkin somehow needs to mature dramatically to the extent that he becomes part of our best 30. the only way he'll do that is if there is heat on his spot.
wilson is a ready-made defender even though he kicks sausages in the WAFL.
a given: we are the best defensive unit in the game, however one bad knee on top of another teamed with a couple of retirees and that could change. one needs to be reminded that dempster has done knees and now too so has gwilty.
we have a FB with a sheet longer than patonga in dawson, a lock CHB is chips and we build our defense around them. for mine wilson learns our structure and he's almost in our 22, but it takes time.
RL will look to get away from the small down back once bakes hangs 'em up.
he wants genuine footballers not blokes who are lazy, undisciplined or greedy.
if blakey and bakes retire simpkin somehow needs to mature dramatically to the extent that he becomes part of our best 30. the only way he'll do that is if there is heat on his spot.
wilson is a ready-made defender even though he kicks sausages in the WAFL.
a given: we are the best defensive unit in the game, however one bad knee on top of another teamed with a couple of retirees and that could change. one needs to be reminded that dempster has done knees and now too so has gwilty.
we have a FB with a sheet longer than patonga in dawson, a lock CHB is chips and we build our defense around them. for mine wilson learns our structure and he's almost in our 22, but it takes time.
RL will look to get away from the small down back once bakes hangs 'em up.
he wants genuine footballers not blokes who are lazy, undisciplined or greedy.
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By what criteria do you rate Wilson a better defender than Simpkin? Simpkin really needs a decent shot at it before we know for sure, but I'd rate him at a fairly high chance of pushing Blake out. Runner up in Sandringham's best and fairest is hardly "battling".
You might be right, I just dont get it though.
By what criteria do you rate Wilson a better defender than Simpkin? Simpkin really needs a decent shot at it before we know for sure, but I'd rate him at a fairly high chance of pushing Blake out. Runner up in Sandringham's best and fairest is hardly "battling".
You might be right, I just dont get it though.
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thanks mate, summed up my points perfectly an saved me 5 minutes of my life
thanks mate, summed up my points perfectly an saved me 5 minutes of my life
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This post is signs that you are one of two things -
Callum Wilson
OR
The best disguised troll I've seen in a long time.
You want to take a 6th string tall forward (Behind Kennedy, Lynch, Darling, Lycett and Mitch Brown) and play him at CHB in our team from round one next year?
Have you been reading the posts aroung here? The number one gripe is that all our best players are BACKMEN.
Lynch, Simpkin, Walsh, Gwilt.
There are 4 players that were drafted as forwards who have turned out better as defenders. Will Johnson was picked up as a fullback and had to be played up forward because we have too many BACKMEN.
Over the last couple of months we have plyed Blake, Dawson, Fisher, Gwilt, Gilbert, Clarke, Gram, and Geary through the midfield and up forward because during games we find we have too many BACKMAN!
WE DO NOT NEED CALLUM WILSON TO HELP SHORE UP OUR DEFENCE!!!!!
This post is signs that you are one of two things -
Callum Wilson
OR
The best disguised troll I've seen in a long time.
You want to take a 6th string tall forward (Behind Kennedy, Lynch, Darling, Lycett and Mitch Brown) and play him at CHB in our team from round one next year?
Have you been reading the posts aroung here? The number one gripe is that all our best players are BACKMEN.
Lynch, Simpkin, Walsh, Gwilt.
There are 4 players that were drafted as forwards who have turned out better as defenders. Will Johnson was picked up as a fullback and had to be played up forward because we have too many BACKMEN.
Over the last couple of months we have plyed Blake, Dawson, Fisher, Gwilt, Gilbert, Clarke, Gram, and Geary through the midfield and up forward because during games we find we have too many BACKMAN!
WE DO NOT NEED CALLUM WILSON TO HELP SHORE UP OUR DEFENCE!!!!!
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You know, it would have saved me a lot of hassles if I had such support with my thoughts to grab Pearce instead of Lovett at the time instead of people tossing up better arguments or alternatives or otherwise, hell we might still have a player on the list had we gone that route, but alas we didn't so sob sob, boo hoo, I also want Miles back, now move on people.
The time this year is not to be picking up recycled players unless they fit specific roles we are lacking in, with Peake in form and Gram doing a job without hitting the heights of '09 we have outside mids capable of running and breaking lines, as such the boast has sailed on guys like Pearce who we either had a chance to or they had a chance to. We have needs in a bonafide FF to support Riewoldt, we have needs in that Riewoldt is 28 to start looking at maybe grooming a replacement (which may be Stanley if he's not a ruckman, but if he is a ruckman then it's time to get a CHF and develop him) we need a mobile ruckman to support Big Mac, we probably also need a genuine HFF prospect as we're still rotating midfielders or backmen through the role of a high HF / Defensive Forward.
Outside mids do not address these problems, nor do defenders. Our problems, is partly to do with the forward half lacking avenues, lacking presence, it's why Kosi makes the side look that much better when he's at FF because there's "another" target, its why Gamble is getting game because "there's another target" it's why Milney is taking marks on leads FFS. XD
Lovett was drafted at the end of '09 with Peake to address a speed issue, Peake has come good this year so there's no need to pay over for someone like Pearce to fill the role of back up.
Now if Melbourne somehow lose someone like Blease then hey sure, go for it, but otherwise that boat has sailed.
You know, it would have saved me a lot of hassles if I had such support with my thoughts to grab Pearce instead of Lovett at the time instead of people tossing up better arguments or alternatives or otherwise, hell we might still have a player on the list had we gone that route, but alas we didn't so sob sob, boo hoo, I also want Miles back, now move on people.
The time this year is not to be picking up recycled players unless they fit specific roles we are lacking in, with Peake in form and Gram doing a job without hitting the heights of '09 we have outside mids capable of running and breaking lines, as such the boast has sailed on guys like Pearce who we either had a chance to or they had a chance to. We have needs in a bonafide FF to support Riewoldt, we have needs in that Riewoldt is 28 to start looking at maybe grooming a replacement (which may be Stanley if he's not a ruckman, but if he is a ruckman then it's time to get a CHF and develop him) we need a mobile ruckman to support Big Mac, we probably also need a genuine HFF prospect as we're still rotating midfielders or backmen through the role of a high HF / Defensive Forward.
Outside mids do not address these problems, nor do defenders. Our problems, is partly to do with the forward half lacking avenues, lacking presence, it's why Kosi makes the side look that much better when he's at FF because there's "another" target, its why Gamble is getting game because "there's another target" it's why Milney is taking marks on leads FFS. XD
Lovett was drafted at the end of '09 with Peake to address a speed issue, Peake has come good this year so there's no need to pay over for someone like Pearce to fill the role of back up.
Now if Melbourne somehow lose someone like Blease then hey sure, go for it, but otherwise that boat has sailed.
SamFisher25
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admittedly, without having had seen enough of simpkin i'd say agility and speed by a whisker. decision skills similar but in a game at such high tempo these days speed is critical. just has an extra dimension in being able to rebound finds his feet ever so slightly better and can put the ball onto his boot a lot sooner than simpkin.
ha ha fire up big guy. !!
mate gwilt wont be back until mid-season. we can cover him, but simpkin isn't in our best 30. not yet anyway.
while we have plenty of 'backmen' (yes i know) you have to realise that blake and baker are being rotated out so therefor we need to rotate in at least one player. is it walsh who knows, simpkin unlikely yet.
just saying mate as a professional organisation you cant risk dempster doing another knee, b&b retiring, dawson getting six for something and then being left with clarke as a structural unit.
admittedly, without having had seen enough of simpkin i'd say agility and speed by a whisker. decision skills similar but in a game at such high tempo these days speed is critical. just has an extra dimension in being able to rebound finds his feet ever so slightly better and can put the ball onto his boot a lot sooner than simpkin.
ha ha fire up big guy. !!
mate gwilt wont be back until mid-season. we can cover him, but simpkin isn't in our best 30. not yet anyway.
while we have plenty of 'backmen' (yes i know) you have to realise that blake and baker are being rotated out so therefor we need to rotate in at least one player. is it walsh who knows, simpkin unlikely yet.
just saying mate as a professional organisation you cant risk dempster doing another knee, b&b retiring, dawson getting six for something and then being left with clarke as a structural unit.
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I still think we have more depth back there than we do in the midfield.
I still think we have more depth back there than we do in the midfield.
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SamFisher25 is the LAST person I would think is a troll.
SamFisher25 is the LAST person I would think is a troll.
Look2Me4Guidance
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As stated before, his pros would help us but if a guy can't break a tag after copping it for 4 years, there's questions on his work ethic. Couple that with Port wanting something decent for him. Pick 48 wouldn't be enough to appease them. We'd be paying overs. He's a bit different from Peake. He's still getting a regular game and is a bit younger.
As stated before, his pros would help us but if a guy can't break a tag after copping it for 4 years, there's questions on his work ethic. Couple that with Port wanting something decent for him. Pick 48 wouldn't be enough to appease them. We'd be paying overs. He's a bit different from Peake. He's still getting a regular game and is a bit younger.
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Bernie Vince: Do want - I like Bernie. Had injury problems in the past, and had a poor year but he was great in 2009/10. Saints always send a tag too him because he can be really damaging. I really like Bernie.
Chris Knights: Probably would cost too much. I like him as a player, and as a guy who distributes well and play forward and midfield he would suit us well. But he is injured way to often to pay what they would be after.
Colin Sylvia: Tries when he wants too. Can be very very good. Can be very very average. I'd trust Ross to get more out of him than Bailey did, would like him at the Saints, but again, wouldn't come cheap.
Jacob Surjan: Lol, do not want.
Taylor Walker: Unproven, Not discipline and terribly defensively. Would cost way to much for a speculative pick and the last time we did that, well we all know what happened.
Hamish McIntosh: Brad Scott continues to say he is a required player, but I'm not so sure about that. I think with McEvoy up and coming i'd prefer him to be our #1 ruck with a few others supporting, so even if he is on the table, I probably wouldn't love Hamish.
Mitch Clarke: Nah. Don't like the guy. Had a great season as a ruckman a few years back and then decided he didn't want to be a ruckman anymore so he now plays forward and goes missing too often for my liking. Talented player but no thanks.
Danyle Pearce: Yeh, I wouldn't mind Pearce. Gets the #1 tag most weeks at Port and obviously struggles through that but would add another dimension to our side so yep, I wouldn't be unhappy if we traded for him.
Shane Tuck: I like him, and I think he would be getting games at St. Kilda if he was at our club now, but I don't think we need to go recruiting 32/33 year olds.
Bernie Vince: Do want - I like Bernie. Had injury problems in the past, and had a poor year but he was great in 2009/10. Saints always send a tag too him because he can be really damaging. I really like Bernie.
Chris Knights: Probably would cost too much. I like him as a player, and as a guy who distributes well and play forward and midfield he would suit us well. But he is injured way to often to pay what they would be after.
Colin Sylvia: Tries when he wants too. Can be very very good. Can be very very average. I'd trust Ross to get more out of him than Bailey did, would like him at the Saints, but again, wouldn't come cheap.
Jacob Surjan: Lol, do not want.
Taylor Walker: Unproven, Not discipline and terribly defensively. Would cost way to much for a speculative pick and the last time we did that, well we all know what happened.
Hamish McIntosh: Brad Scott continues to say he is a required player, but I'm not so sure about that. I think with McEvoy up and coming i'd prefer him to be our #1 ruck with a few others supporting, so even if he is on the table, I probably wouldn't love Hamish.
Mitch Clarke: Nah. Don't like the guy. Had a great season as a ruckman a few years back and then decided he didn't want to be a ruckman anymore so he now plays forward and goes missing too often for my liking. Talented player but no thanks.
Danyle Pearce: Yeh, I wouldn't mind Pearce. Gets the #1 tag most weeks at Port and obviously struggles through that but would add another dimension to our side so yep, I wouldn't be unhappy if we traded for him.
Shane Tuck: I like him, and I think he would be getting games at St. Kilda if he was at our club now, but I don't think we need to go recruiting 32/33 year olds.
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