List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[stallon]

I like Curtin but if I was calling the WCE shots I’m not swapping our F1 for Curtin. I value our F1 comfortably above Curtin. It’s that simple. If GWS don’t see it that way, it’s fine.

There is every chance the eagles rank Curtin as a top 3 pick this year, there is no reason they wouldnt rate Curtin over any of the top few mids next year, who could all do something silly like hint that they want to stay in melbourne.

Its potentially a guaranteed guy we rate at top 3 who is local vs a risk, that might not even have much if any upside.

 

[BartBart]

You say top 5 has a discount already applied - I just don't think many teams would see it that way. I don't think any club doing its due diligence would look at it as a 'likely if not certain top 3 pick'.

In 2018 we were everybody's pick for the spoon. You campaigners know how that turned out. I definitely don't think we will get close to the flag next year but I wouldn't be pushing stakes on us for a bottom 3 finish either. That's my 2c.

My memory is there was only 1 guy saying WCE for the spoon in 2018.

And he totally disappeared in the media after 2018 for that reason.

 

[Peptide Pig]

I’ve settled on a floor of F1, 23 for 7, 16 OR 7, F1. Otherwise, keep the pick we’ll get FAR more for (or use) it next year. What will be interesting is if GWS keep their pick 7 and pick whoever Melbourne leaves them out of Windsor and Leake. I’m certain Cats take Caddy at 8, Essendon take O’Sullivan at 9 as no one with give into either of their ridiculous demands which leaves us at the Crows who have HUGE incentive for a top 5 pick next year...

For the club to be chasing Curtin with our F1 they must rate him more highly than at least some of the top picks next year.

There is also no guarantee we could split the pick next year. Other clubs may not have multiple top picks worth trading, or the draft may be so even that there isn’t a stand out prospect worth trading up for- especially if our pick ends up being 4 not 1.

The opposite may end up being true, but all these unknowns versus an extra year worth of known data on Curtin is what makes the move enticing.

Definitely hopeful of something extra coming back though as opposed to a straight swap.

 

[Astro7]

Ryan Daniels: West Coast are waiting with their cards at the table, can they find a pair of princes?
Ryan Daniels
The West Australian

Harley Reid could be the new Prince of Perth

Now this is a story all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down … and I’d like to take a minute just sit right there, I’ll tell you how I became the Prince of Perth … with long hair.

When you see stardom, it’s obvious.

We could see it in a young, fresh Will Smith, charming our screens from Bel-Air — and we can see it with the prodigious football talent that is Harley Reid. The kid is a sure thing.


Tongala, where Reid was born and raised, isn’t quite West Philadelphia.

The town in country Victoria has a population of around 2000. They live and breathe sport; footy, netball, cricket. Everyone knows everyone. Doors aren’t locked. There’s a pub, a post office, a general store.

Harley is a product of all that. By all accounts he’s a laid-back, affable kid — albeit one with plenty of swagger. He’s going to need of all that, and more, as he ascends to his role as our fresh prince.

The last time we saw a player with this level of infatuation from the footy public in WA, it was Ben Cousins. I must’ve been asked ten times a day for the past three months what the Eagles will do with Reid? Trade the pick or take him?

My answer has been consistent — if I were betting, I’d say they’ll take him.

Until the Eagles read out their pick around 4.30pm on Monday, that could change, but all signs are pointing to Harley wearing blue and gold in 2024.

And that’s absolutely the perfect move. Or, at least, part one of the perfect move. More on that later.

Cousins was the original Prince of Perth, a football genius, hard worker, had the looks — and the smile — to charm recruiters, coaches, girls, boys, mums, and dads. There have been stars before and since — Matera, Jakovich, Judd, Naitanui, Fyfe, Cox, Pavlich — but none hypnotized the masses quite like Cousins. That immeasurable star power.

The second coming is here.

The noise around Harley is part footy — part sign of the times. The social media age, celebrity culture, herd mentality — he’s got 37 thousand followers on Instagram before he’s played a game. West Coast fans were asking Reid to sign jumpers and hats at the WACA back in June.

The circus will surround this young man, should he end up at West Coast come Monday night. Can he handle it? We’ll find out.

It’s impossible to overstate the importance of Monday night for West Coast. All the pain of the past two years, the losing, the embarrassing margins, the ridiculous run of injury, the speculation surrounding exits of key staff and players — this is where it needs to take a viscous turn to the right direction. This is the beginning of hope.

Monday night is the most important draft in West Coast’s history.

The draft is both complicated and incredibly simple. Forget trades and free agency — the draft is the best, and most efficient way to build your list into a premiership contender. History tells us if you nail your picks year after year, the top and bottom end, you’ll get to where you want to go. Sure, you’ll need to add a piece here or there, plug a hole, but the key ingredients of this meal will come from the draft pantry.


So, other than Reid, how busy can the Eagles get? Currently West Coast hold picks 1, 23, 37, 58 and 73. The AFL also allows teams to trade future selections. West Coast hold all their future picks.

By all accounts, West Coast haven’t been aggressive in pick-trading talks just yet. Not making calls, not pushing teams for possibility — less active and agile, more patient and poised.

Don’t be fooled by the ‘off-season’, both West Coast and Fremantle are making significant changes that tell us both clubs are aware of what’s at stake in 2024 and beyond.

Instead, they’ve turned down multiple offers, and rightly so. The full purse has yet to be presented.

They’ve been busy waiting — and maybe that’s the right move, the Tiger looming in the tall grass — but it can’t be the only move. There’s a possible pivot for them.

Daniel Curtin, the kid from Claremont, is going to be a star too. This “teenager” is 197cm, 95kg. Limbs so long, he could probably flick a light switch on and off while sitting cross-legged. I met him last week and couldn’t have been more impressed. He reminded me of Oscar Allen at the same age — in terms of maturity and focus. Big, balanced man-children built in labs to succeed at the top level.

Could Daniel Curtin slip his way into Eagles’ hands?

If Curtin somehow slips through North Melbourne’s picks at 2 and 3, if Hawthorn decides to go small over tall, if the Bulldogs bark in a different direction… could the Eagles pounce on Curtin? Trading their future first round pick comes into play. It’s a move they should absolutely make in that circumstance. Melbourne and GWS, at picks 6 and 7, would need to take it seriously.

Building your list around Reid, Curtin, Reuben Ginbey, Elijah Hewett and Oscar Allen is a fantastic place to start.

West Coast fans have been patient. They’ve copped the losses, paid their memberships, kept the faith — backing in a club with a history of bouncing back. And to be honest, with the hand they possess, they can’t lose on Monday night — no matter what they do.

But if they can find a way to land a Reid-Curtin haul, forget Bel-Air, they’re heading straight for Hollywood.

Happy to get Reid (presuming it happens), anything else is icing.
But if they land Curtin as well - BIG raps to the selectors!

Hopefully it's different times to the heady Cuzz days. Reid doesn't quite share the same 'looks' and has a country grounding. He undeniably will be media saturated in a two horse town and will be Prince-like amongst the Eagles masses. But he may have to share some of that lime-light with Ginbey, Hewett, et al.

The prospect of all these guys playing together has made the rollercoaster ride of angst and frustration since 2018, almost worth it. Most of our complaints with this club/board have been answered, just need to see it converted into on-field performance.
But there is now a feeling of having turned a corner with the exciting prospect of a new era in front of us - this is the best part, watching all this talent develop over games and seasons.
(caveat - still early days - coach, credits, gameplan, s+c)

 

[Flarn Rarn]

My memory is there was only 1 guy saying WCE for the spoon in 2018.

And he totally disappeared in the media after 2018 for that reason.

I vividly remember after losing to Freo in the preseason quite a few of our own forecasting doom and gloom for the season. Maybe not all picking us for the spoon but miles off what ended up happening.

People in my experience fail to distinguish between 'likely' and 'most likely'. Our most likely outcome next year seems to be bottom 2. Is that more likely than all the other outcomes put together? I personally don't think so.

The relevant point here being that if people put their sensible hats on for a second, GWS is not going to be falling over themselves to get our F1 and give up more than their Pick 7 in the process. If the club somehow does this trade and extracts more out of them I'll be very impressed.

 

[eaglevision]

There is every chance the eagles rank Curtin as a top 3 pick this year, there is no reason they wouldnt rate Curtin over any of the top few mids next year, who could all do something silly like hint that they want to stay in melbourne.

It’s potentially a guaranteed guy we rate at top 3 who is local vs a risk, that might not even have much if any upside.

For the club to be chasing Curtin with our F1 they must rate him more highly than at least some of the top picks next year.

There is also no guarantee we could split the pick next year. Other clubs may not have multiple top picks worth trading, or the draft may be so even that there isn’t a stand out prospect worth trading up for- especially if our pick ends up being 4 not 1.

The opposite may end up being true, but all these unknowns versus an extra year worth of known data on Curtin is what makes the move enticing.

Definitely hopeful of something extra coming back though as opposed to a straight swap.

I agree the club rates his acquisition this year higher than the F1 if they are willing to trade it but I don’t and would rather keep the pick if that is the deal.

 

[eaglevision]

Why do you value it higher? What player next year do you like in the top 5 that you think is comfortably better than Curtain?


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O’Sullivan and Smith are the two stand outs for me so if we keep it get one of those two and use our 2R or 3R on a KPD this year or chase Buss next year. We’d also get far more for what our F1 is likely to materialise into at the end on the season next year.

 

[ghostbat12]

Imagine that. North were banking on fact we are on curtin to lowball offers. Now that he may slide and we are looking to trade our first, they have sh*t the bed and looking to do same.However, they can’t do that because then, say Melbourne, can use north’s 1st to trade back with eagles for no1.

Circular reference.

I can’t wait to see how it all works out. Whole thing is a kin to a major intelligence operation with coercion, feints, bluffs and counter intelligence and about 4 clubs are in on it.

All whilst we are, apparently, the ones that are losers here.

 

[Keys]

Pre-emptive Welcome to West Coast threads have been embargoed until names have been called out

Because reasons

Sorry not sorry BeornJ

 

[Bender_]

Pre-emptive Welcome to West Coast threads have been embargoed until names have been called out

Because reasons

Sorry not sorry BeornJ

Any chance of a permaban for BeornJ as a head on a pike kinda warning to others?

 

[maxrm]

AFL Draft 2023 Number 1 pick: Why Harley Reid trade might backfire on North Melbourne Kangaroos, Melbourne Demons, selection history

This article is hilarious
Love seeing the Vic media trying to console themselves over the imminent loss of Harley Reid to not just any interstate club, but West Coast!!

 

[squashface]

Twomey the smug campaigner staring at his completed Phantom waiting as long as possible to click publish:

 

[Bender_]

AFL Draft 2023 Number 1 pick: Why Harley Reid trade might backfire on North Melbourne Kangaroos, Melbourne Demons, selection history

This article is hilarious
Love seeing the Vic media trying to console themselves over the imminent loss of Harley Reid to not just any interstate club, but West Coast!!

Sounds like copium.

 

[Keys]

Twomey the smug campaigner staring at his completed Phantom waiting as long as possible to click publish:

Bet it doesn’t include us trading our F1 for Curtin

He’ll save that for his late mail update tomorrow night

 

[eaglespremiers]

Twomey the smug campaigner staring at his completed Phantom waiting as long as possible to click publish:

Incidentally got a personal email from Twomey on Thursday.
Yeah, that's my one claim to fame.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

We obviously have different definitions of that is elite. Are we really going to call Astbury, Broad, Balta, De Koning, Henry and howe as a 33 year old elite? By that logic vast majority of key backs in the comp are elite.

Guarantee there is a higher correlation between the talent of the teams midfield compared to their key back posts. The game has changed significantly since 2018 when we won. All of the teams that have won since 2018 have won because of superstar mids and and dominant key forwards.

Yet defence wins flags...every time.

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[WCErevival]

Yet defence wins flags...every time.

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[ziad]

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[BeornJ]

Pre-emptive Welcome to West Coast threads have been embargoed until names have been called out

Because reasons

Sorry not sorry BeornJ

I think you'll find my thread was a 'Welcome to Harley Reid' Thread.

I demand a recount!

 

[BeornJ]

Any chance of a permaban for BeornJ as a head on a pike kinda warning to others?

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Ryan Daniels is an absolute boot licker who writes pointless fluff. There are posters on BF boards who know ten times more about footy than he does (usually because they worked in the industry) and write interesting posts evaluating players strengths and weaknesses in detail, giving coherent and insightful descriptions of game plans of various teams etc and those posts educate most of us on here on things we didn't notice or know. Ryan Daniels is paid to be a sports journalist specialising in AFL. It is his job to try and get to this level of knowledge but he is nowhere near it. He doesn't know anymore about footy than the average fan sitting in the stands. Nor does he ever break stories.

He writes an article today saying it will be masterstroke and prove the genius of the people running the club if we trade our F1 for pick 7 and get Curtin, but come Tuesday morning if Curtin was there at 7 and we had the chance to trade our F1 and take him and we blinked and didn't take it he would do a total 180 on the spot and write another article saying it was an act of genius by the people running the club that we didn't take the deal.

 

[Farang83150]

WA draft prospect Mitchell Edwards

 

[eaglespremiers]

Ryan Daniels is an absolute boot licker who writes pointless fluff. There are posters on BF boards who know ten times more about footy than he does (usually because they worked in the industry) and write interesting posts evaluating players strengths and weaknesses in detail, giving coherent and insightful descriptions of game plans of various teams etc and those posts educate most of us on here on things we didn't notice or know. Ryan Daniels is paid to be a sports journalist specialising in AFL. It is his job to try and get to this level of knowledge but he is nowhere near it. He doesn't know anymore about footy than the average fan sitting in the stands. Nor does he ever break stories.

He writes an article today saying it will be masterstroke and prove the genius of the people running the club if we trade our F1 for pick 7 and get Curtin, but come Tuesday morning if Curtin was there at 7 and we had the chance to trade our F1 and take him and we blinked and didn't take it he would do a total 180 on the spot and write another article saying it was an act of genius by the people running the club that we didn't take the deal.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I find this decision to now brand Bailey Williams as a forward rather than a ruckman to be curious. Firstly, haven't we been developing him to be a long term ruckman for 5 or 6 years now? It is pretty late in the day to be realising that he doesn't cut it as a ruckman if that is what they have decided.

And secondly, is he really going to get a game as a forward? Like most players his size he is not agile, quick or good at collecting balls below his knees/competing for the ball on the deck. So he will be a bit of a defensive liability and there will be opportunities for defenders to run off him. And if he is going to kick goals you would think that most of them would have to be from taking a mark on the lead, not from sharking the ball and kicking snaps. Except he won't be the spearhead in the forward line, Allen will be. 50% of our F50 entries, and the best quality of our F50 entries (when the ball carrier is able to direct the kick and not bomb it in under pressure) will be going to Allen. There won't be many opportunities for Williams to take a mark on the lead. In a nutshell, what i am saying is that he is not going to be the spearhead and he is too big, too slow and not agile enough to be a 3rd tall and contribute with defensive pressure and opportunistic goals (not from a mark on the lead).

 

[bzparkes]

I find this decision to now brand Bailey Williams as a forward rather than a ruckman to be curious. Firstly, haven't we been developing him to be a long term ruckman for 5 or 6 years now? It is pretty late in the day to be realising that he doesn't cut it as a ruckman if that is what they have decided.

And secondly, is he really going to get a game as a forward? Like most players his size he is not agile, quick or good at collecting balls below his knees/competing for the ball on the deck. So he will be a bit of a defensive liability and there will be opportunities for defenders to run off him. And if he is going to kick goals you would think that most of them would have to be from taking a mark on the lead, not from sharking the ball and kicking snaps. Except he won't be the spearhead in the forward line, Allen will be. 50% of our F50 entries, and the best quality of our F50 entries (when the ball carrier is able to direct the kick and not bomb it in under pressure) will be going to Allen. There won't be many opportunities for Williams to take a mark on the lead. In a nutshell, what i am saying is that he is not going to be the spearhead and he is too big, too slow and not agile enough to be a 3rd tall and contribute with defensive pressure and opportunistic goals (not from a mark on the lead).

1. He was the 5th highest rated ruckman in the league this year.

2. He was a forward as a junior and the original intention has been to play him there, with stints forward.

He'll be fine.