List Mgmt. Trade & Draft Discussion 2023 post season - Picks Reid,30,40,49,66 (Bush league)

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[Priddis Is Done]

I could live with it, however I believe we we are every chance to finish bottom four next year, maybe even hold pick 1 again, so it would be a decision not taken lightly.

There is however, something to be said for getting a group in early and bring them through together, I rate Curtin as a very good footballer and if we traded our F1, I would like something else back even if that meant giving this years current, second pick into the package.
Our F1 and 23 for GWS 7 pick and 16. ( Thats because many of the kids that I prefer in this cohort, rank between the 16-22 range)

Next year, we would also have the option of trading the following years F1, to get back into the first round.

At this point in time I have:

Smith
O'Sullivan
Smillie
Draper

As all being worthy top quality mids to open up the 2024 draft with.

If we keep trading our future first round, we lose out every time.

 

[Monocle]

ZZ for me new to the game, but has a amazing work effort.
He is already working really hard on his kicking doing extra work this of season
He is also the youngest player to be drafted this year
Has tremendous scope to improve once in the system
But he is another that will bust a gut to get better

Not quite but close:

Zakostelsky 14:12:2005

Wil Dawson 20:12:2005

Just me being a smart arse RE and splitting hairs.

And thats the extra dimension to them both, they are so young.
Dawson now 201 cm and so agile for a big man.

 

[Keys]

Who says GWS dont want to trade out of the draft and into next years as a objective? If they want in to next years draft badly then GWS dont hold the leverage you are saying they do

Since June, all McCartneys talked about is trading the picks away so maybe their is some logic in that he simply wants to give them up

I hope you’re right

But like other clubs needing to convince us to trade pick 1, it’s up to us to convince GWS to trade us pick 7.

If we get something in addition to pick 7 I’ll consider it a bonus

If Twomey has an indication that Murphy and Zakostelsky are both going to be available at our second pick, surely that makes it less likely we trade for Curtin. Why use F1 when you can use 29?


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24 - Brisbane
25 - Geelong
27 - St Kilda
28 - Carlton
29 - Richmond
31 - Essendon
33 - Collingwood
34 - Fremantle
35 - Essendon

That’s 9 clubs likely to have live picks between our 23 and 37

Still quite a few clubs to overlook both Murphy and ZZ top

If GWS can downgrade from pick 7 to 10 and get the same player they want (and get a future first for their trouble) I imagine they will more likely take that offer up. Adelaide saving us from ourselves it seems.

Pick 10 and a future R1 in the early teens vs a top 2 future pick

I think I’m going with the higher pick

Even still, Adelaide would be interested in offering pick 7 for our F1 as it would mean they land our F1 for 10 and their F1 which is a bargain tbh

 

[eaglespremiers]

I'm not overly enthused by who Twomey has linked us to in the later picks. I'm hoping his mail has been addressed to the wrong recipient as I can't see the interest in De La Rue, Charleson or O'Leary but I do like the Clay Hall and ZZ interest.


I'd like to see us take Hine-Baston as a Cat B as I think he'd develop to be an ideal Tom Cole

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replacement down the track.

Happy to take Reid as he's clearly the best available but 2, 15, 17 and 18 would have set us on the road to a faster rebuild.

Good news is later picks are much harder to predict, so it's unlikely that he's correct.
Having said that Charleson could be a pretty great forward pocket option and should be our last selection, oh, and he's really good mates with Reid (better than DeMattia IMO).

 

[Shmiddy15]

Is it possible to do three way trades on draft night?

If so, I wonder if there’s a potential trade that may benefit us, the crows and the giants.

 

[TerryFilk]

Say Darcy Wilson is on the board at around 16-19, would you guys trade 23 and our future 2nd for him? Maybe with something minor coming back our way…

I personally would, he’d fill a huge need, could be the heir to Gaff on the wing.

Added bonus is he’s a Vic Country boy that might help Reid settle in.

 

[rko121]

Pardon my ignorance, my understanding was even if we trade our F1 for Curtin and have another horrible year there is every chance we will apply for priority picks as we would then be bottom 4 for 3 years and get something from the AFL. Whether it is the pick after our F1 or end of first round remains to be seen. The club would know this and if it is how I think it will be then picking up Curtin will be worth the gamble

 

[bzparkes]

Pardon my ignorance, my understanding was even if we trade our F1 for Curtin and have another horrible year there is every chance we will apply for priority picks as we would then be bottom 4 for 3 years and get something from the AFL. Whether it is the pick after our F1 or end of first round remains to be seen?

Who knows?

Maybe we can ship Nesbitt off to AFL house?

 

[bzparkes]

Too lazy to see if anyone posted it but Twomey stated WCE have indeed nominated Livingstone as a Cat B.

Thought we could only have 2?

 

[WCE_phil]

I could live with that, although I have some doubts on Collards ability to transition into a fully professional system.

Kid has the talent, so I hope my fears are unfounded.

Its a good draft for tall's, so I would want us to nab a couple this year, as next years crop of tall's looks less inspiring.

I think ZZ makes our third pick. I'd love both ZZ and Murphy.

 

[sharps24]

1. Barrass has at least four years left and McGovern at least two. We already have two players developing in these positions underneath them.
2. If we are making this trade hoping that Curtin might become a mid then we should just draft a midfielder that will 100% become a mid. AKA trade to get Windsor, Wilson or CEdwards.
3. Same as above regarding ZZ playing elsewhere. He can't play ruck at AFL level so that shouldn't be part of our thinking.
4. Currently HEdwards is still on the list, we cant build a list properly if you keep adding back ups to back ups. He was injured all year so hard to make a true judgement on him. Unlikely he makes it but why not add someone once we delist him.
5. Why can't we draft a key defender in 2024? By then we would have moved on HEdwards (if he sucks) and Rotham and have a much clearer picture on our key defender stocks.
6. I add Rotham in as a key defender because it's the only position he might play for us next year. He is terrible but no worse than Gaff who we also need to replace.
7. Bazzo was in his second season. Crazy to rule him out already. No reason to think that Curtin is more likely to make it as a one on one defender than bazzo.
8. Unclear on what the relevance of is. Even so we have five key forwards on the list.

Currently we have far bigger list holes that need addressing. Teams play with two key defenders on the park. In a world with endless list spots having four players developing for two roles is fine but thats just not reality. Six or seven players dedicated to two on-field positions means we are seriously neglecting other areas of the field.

The draft isn't the only way to bring players in. Always have the ability to bring in a player to plug a hole and the backline is one of the easiest positions to do this.

Why not just pick one of them if we are so sure HEdwards wont make it? At absolute minimum we should't be thinking about replacing Bazzo.

Ah its Rotham as the number 7, forgot we've been trying to make that happen. Not a key defender at all in my book. Should be playing on a wing or something.

For the record I've never been a fan of chasing Curtin and quietly rate Harry Edwards too. Nor am I writing off Bazzo, just noting a lot of people are wondering if his best position might be as 3rd tall. Yet to be seen how many games we actually get out of Gov in the next 2 years. Barrass seems to have explored his options at least once, this year wasn' the right fit for him with a new house and baby on the way but the reality is he'd be doing himself and the club a favour chasing another premiership over east. And let's be honest Barrass is probably best suited as a 3rd tall as well for all the good he does locking down key forwards, which will be especially so in his last years.

If it were me trading our f1 I'd be dealing with Adelaide for 2 of their first round this year and a future first and hoping O'Sullivan slides to 10. Take Charlie Edwards with the second pick and bank a pick for next year. I'd still want to be speculating on ZZ and looking at Buzz next year if 12 months in the system indicates Z's his best position isn't full back. People say what about Curtin on a wing, seems a bit wasteful. I wonder if Z could be moulded into something like that though, for a pick in the 30's worth a crack.

Anyway my gut says ZZ is gone by the range we would take him and we end up with Goad. Which I don't hate, might end up a great option forward.

 

[WCE_phil]

I am not sure on Smillie don't like his hands.

O'Sullivan and Smith would be awesome for us compliment what we already have.

If we finish last do we have any players that can go to another club as free agents?

Like McKay did this year ?

If Yeo has a good year let him seek free agency if it gets us pick 2

Duggan if you can get someone to pay him 900k+ a year for 5+ years.

 

[UseR2006]

2023 AFL Draft Preview: West Coast

While pick one seems an inevitability, West Coast is well poised to make some big moves on both nights of the 2023 AFL Draft.

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[Jukes]

Wasn’t it around this time last year everyone seemed to link us to Burgiel? Feels like the Archie Roberts link is similar.

 

[eagles rule]

Curtin sliding past Melbourne and GWS makes some sense GWS have a really good backline and it’s young. Melbourne might be more enticed to win now players given their premiership window so a developing KPP might not be as appealing.

No chance Geelong give up that selection if he slides there

Geelong may be a little shy taking a WA player in the Top 10 after losing Kelly and then Clark ..They will know WCE will come for Curtin when he comes out of contract ..

 

[KBLT]

Too lazy to see if anyone posted it but Twomey stated WCE have indeed nominated Livingstone as a Cat B.

Thought we could only have 2?

Three according to the AFL website. Provided one of Baker or Dewar don't get upgraded, we could add one of Livingstone or Hine-Baston if they don't get drafted.

 

[MerryHell]

Pardon my ignorance, my understanding was even if we trade our F1 for Curtin and have another horrible year there is every chance we will apply for priority picks as we would then be bottom 4 for 3 years and get something from the AFL. Whether it is the pick after our F1 or end of first round remains to be seen. The club would know this and if it is how I think it will be then picking up Curtin will be worth the gamble

Great point, I hadn't thought of that... consider that if we trade our F1 for Curtin, we end up with potentially an insurance of a priority pick assistance package

 

[Monocle]

Geelong may be a little shy taking a WA player in the Top 10 after losing Kelly and then Clark ..They will know WCE will come for Curtin when he comes out of contract ..

They would know that and they are cunning kents that would also know that Harley is / was a Geelong fan, so if we want Curtin they say Ok we want Harley ....let's trade.

Curtin is a pretty level headed kid, well grounded and accustomed to moving around as he and fhis family have for his fathers work.
He is not the sort to sook up and want home to Mum.

Daniel will settle well wherever he goes, if we don't manufacture a way to get his this draft, forget about him , he's gone.

 

[TerryFilk]

Still can’t believe Gold Coast were allowed to add a WA boy to their academy, as if he would’ve been poached by rugby when he was always going to play footy lol.

 

[wadistance]

I hope you’re right

But like other clubs needing to convince us to trade pick 1, it’s up to us to convince GWS to trade us pick 7.

If we get something in addition to pick 7 I’ll consider it a bonus



24 - Brisbane
25 - Geelong
27 - St Kilda
28 - Carlton
29 - Richmond
31 - Essendon
33 - Collingwood
34 - Fremantle
35 - Essendon

That’s 9 clubs likely to have live picks between our 23 and 37

Still quite a few clubs to overlook both Murphy and ZZ top



Pick 10 and a future R1 in the early teens vs a top 2 future pick

I think I’m going with the higher pick

Even still, Adelaide would be interested in offering pick 7 for our F1 as it would mean they land our F1 for 10 and their F1 which is a bargain tbh

If we rate Curtin in the 2-5 range though, we’ve basically broken even if our pick is in the 2-5 range next year. All comes down to our opinion of the player, not the pick we get back.

 

[Monocle]

Still can’t believe Gold Coast were allowed to add a WA boy to their academy, as if he would’ve been poached by rugby when he was always going to play footy lol.

Complex situation...... just ask Laura.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Depends on trades if certain clubs trade can see both dropping to that pick

I thought last year we should not of drafted Harry Barnett because ruckman this year are so good.

I think this year draft of ruckman is the best of all time.

Viggo probably the 5th to be drafted looks a talent as well

Ruckmen world be one of the hardest to predict surely with growth spurts etc

 

[Eastcoasteagle]

Only need Melbourne to take Windsor don’t we?

I just think Windsor is miles behind Curtin as a talent. Just can't see Dees doing that

 

[mattyc75]

If a highly rated WA player was rated top 5 next draft the Eagles would factor that into any decision.

You don't think it would?

Most probably but we've seen that they'll take kids from out of state too so..

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[eaglespremiers]

I think ZZ makes our third pick. I'd love both ZZ and Murphy.

We trade our future first for Curtin, draft Murphy at our currently 2nd pick and pick up Zakostelsky with our third pick.
Now wouldn't that be something.