List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[LOZWILDA]

Caddy- any takers?? Please.
We need one more list spot.


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[Barunga Bullet]

Giving pick 15 for Mitchell is desperation. Giving good picks for older players in an attempt to stay relevant has never worked. Early picks and drafting astutely is the way to go. If Hawthorn want to clear these players out it’s not us who should be furnishing them with the quality picks and means to rebuild. If they want Mitchell out then the price should be low. 28 max or less and pay some of his salary. You don’t take on older players and risk your future by overlooking the best young talent you can get. Stuff Hawthorn,we don’t want to help them. If the intention is to go after Mitchell then screw them big time.
Personally I don’t think Mitchell will keep us in the premiership window.

These hawks and cats comparisons are ridiculous. If we bring in an older player it's to fill a specific need (eg. Tarrant, lynch) we aren't just signing has been for the sake of it like the other two. And I'm sure dusty, cotch, Jack etc want the club doing everything they can to get them a chance at another flag. We always recruit to fill a need, not just for a big name

 

[SunshineBoy]

Agreed. No club should do any favours for Hawthorn. It would be so good to see them as a struggling bottom team for many years. Highlight Kennett as being the short-sided bully that he is.

Maybe they can try and merge with the shemons agin

 

[Oshka]

The Herald Sun gave a hypothetical B22

B: Grimes, Balta, Vlaustin

HB: Rioli, Tarrant, Broad

C: Short, Martin, McIntosh

HF: Lambert, Lynch, Bolton

F: Edwards, Riewoldt, Baker

Foll: Nankervis, Prestia, Cotchin

Int: Graham, Stack, Pickett, Soldo


I kinda think it would work if we kept Pickett as a mid rotation. Though I think more likely we will have more young kids in the engine room due to injury. This is the year where our medical team really needs to make their pay check if we don't trade in any talent.

Is Yeo injured or something?

 

[Antzzz]

Every draft players seem to end up at the bummers or the cheating bloo baggers … and both teams are still shit … question is how do these pricks afford all these recruits each year

 

['51 Bewick]

Hi folks,
Can you tell me if Ryan Garthwaite

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Ryan Garthwaite

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.2

2star

K

5.9

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

has a new contract, or is likely to get one?
Cheers.

 

[SunshineBoy]

This is the reason why we shouldn’t have resigned arts players like Bobby Hill pop up now and again

Efa

 

[SunshineBoy]

different players completely. Hill small forward with speed and runs wide. stack and bolts have differnt dimensions to thier game. why on earth would you keep arts ahead of hill is the questions.

efa

 

[lumpinee]

The Herald Sun gave a hypothetical B22

B: Grimes, Balta, Vlaustin

HB: Rioli, Tarrant, Broad

C: Short, Martin, McIntosh

HF: Lambert, Lynch, Bolton

F: Edwards, Riewoldt, Baker

Foll: Nankervis, Prestia, Cotchin

Int: Graham, Stack, Pickett, Soldo


I kinda think it would work if we kept Pickett as a mid rotation. Though I think more likely we will have more young kids in the engine room due to injury. This is the year where our medical team really needs to make their pay check if we don't trade in any talent.

media trying to sabotage us with that side,that kinda side is so played,way played...i can think of 4-5 changes to rejuvinate that old hacked and tired group
its 2022 and beyond FFS...Dow,Hugo & the 2 x 1sts in for starters & possibly Cumberland as well ?

 

[sydney_gws]

Small steps towards our real target.Pick 2.

What are you offering GWS for it.Who will you select if you get pick 2?

 

[RockJobster0312]

Dodoro won’t want to give up 51. Hope GWS play hardball

Hope DoDo thinks different.lol

I do wonder if there is bad blood between McCartney and Dodoro over the Jye Caldwell trade last year.

McCartney was rather outspoken at how Essendon approached it.

Hi folks,
Can you tell me if Ryan Garthwaite has a new contract, or is likely to get one?
Cheers.

At this stage I’d say 50-50; awaiting confirmation of salary cap and trade period to see how many list spots we need.

Despite what my fellow BF’er would largely hope, I suspect that he gets a one year deal and will predominantly play forward in the VFL next year.

 

['51 Bewick]

Thank you for that.

 

[Barx]

Going to disagree with two things here. Firstly im sick of hearing about the Dees juggernaut. They were great this year in sept but we were seen to be unbeatable in 2018 and didn’t even make the GF. This a sport and no one is unbeatable- why even turn up if you reckon someone else has the next flag already wrapped up?

Also the McIntosh hate is harsh. Yeah his disposal is only average but if you focus on what he does do instead of what he doesn’t you’ll see he is a great 2 way runner, works back to help out in defense. He keeps his width really well to provide release options, he’s strong and good size so can be physical against smaller wingers like Hill, Langdon, Hunter etc.
You can’t have a team of A graders so he plays his role really well - just needs to improve disposal.

I think McIntosh is our most underrated player.

His work defending and protecting the open side of the ground is so important...and he does it with aplomb. It isn't a sexy role and he's never going to pick up vast swathes of possessions but it is vital.

I reckon if you asked the Club's brains trust, he would be one of the first picked each week when he's fit.

 

[Sir_Loin]

What are you offering GWS for it.Who will you select if you get pick 2?

I doubt we’re getting into the top 5, no one wants to play. But if we did get #2 hopefully Callaghan

 

[Tortured Tiger]

I'm just asking regarding a keeper league. Be nice!

Probably 50/50 I would say, losing two talls all ready has unbalanced the list a bit so it might save him.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

What are you offering GWS for it.Who will you select if you get pick 2?

7 & 11
At pick 2 Callahan no doubt.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I do wonder if there is bad blood between McCartney and Dodoro over the Jye Caldwell trade last year.

McCartney was rather outspoken at how Essendon approached it.

I think there wouldn't be a list manager that DoDo hasn't pissed off.

 

[_RT_]

I know what we’ve done, I laid it out in my post. You’ve just proved it, nail a bunch of drafts close together and wait 7-10 years and add your side pieces.

So why deviate from that plan now

Again exactly what I said, every premiership side has a bunch of top 5 picks who are hugely important.

cotchin our captain and cultural heart and Dusty the Goat. They are literally the two most important players in our dynasty.

Hawks had Hodge their captain and cultural heart, Buddy the best forward for 25 years and roughy a great forward.

melbourne have Oliver and Petracca their 2 most important midfielders.

like I said every premiership team has a few top 5 picks that are integral to winning a flag or 3.

The point is that unless you surround them with enough quality support, it won't matter how good they are, you will struggle.

Again this is basically what I said, the only difference is you saying you don’t need a host of top picks. 100% you do, every premiership team since about 2007 has a bunch of high picks or cheap father sons that are their key players.

For every premiership winning top pick we had there is another unsuccessful pick. We nailed Cotchin Martin Vlastuin Riewoldt we missed with Vickery Conca Lennon C.Ellis

mate we’re in this to win premierships. Theyre ******* hard to win and we are not winning another for awhile once this group retires. They deserve every chance to win a fourth, and we should provide them with that chance.

Sydney added Buddy the best forward of the decade and no flag despite also being stacked with top picks.

Port have been adding players to their list for a few years now and continue to fall short

Geelong been chasing a flag for a decade continue to go to the well trying to bring in the missing piece and fail.

Pies after 2010 went out and added players for years trying to get another flag and failed

Hawthorn at the end of 2016 added Mitchell & O'Meara to a side that still had 17 of their 2015 premiership winners playing and had just finished 3rd in 2016. The following year they dropped to 12th, rebounded to 4th in 2018, then 9th, 15th in 2020 and 14th this year. Now they are looking at a fire sale to get rid of the likes of Mitchell and O'Meara

So while I agree that we should give our guys a crack at a 4th flag, I don't agree that we should be giving up valuable draft assets to do so.

If there is no concern over failing why would you sell us short in an attempt to win a premiership? that’s what this is all about.

Because I'm looking at the bigger picture rather than focusing on the here and now. As I've said it's easy to get seduced by the chance at winning a 4th, but as I just pointed out above, Hawthorn tried to get that 4th flag while they still had the heart of their threepeat team running around and it failed. As the club have said we've looked at what Brisbane Hawthorn and Geelong have done in terms of trying to keep their dynasties going and all of them failed to do so successfully and it was all because those teams chased ready made players to try and beat the system.

We're playing the system, we've got ourselves an enviable draft hand this year and already have 3 picks inside the first 2 rounds for next year. That's potentially 8 top 30 rated kids we could add to our list over the next 18 months, which gives us 8 chances to nail long term replacements for the likes of Cotchin Riewoldt Edwards Martin Grimes Lambert Lynch & Prestia who are closer to the end than the start of their careers.

To put it another way, winning a 4th would be a bonus, but winning the clubs 14th, 15th & 16th in the next decade should be the ultimate aim and playing the system the right way will give us the best chance as we've proven over the last 12 years.

 

[Jozzy]

Am I correct in saying the club would still need to make one more delisting if we wanted to use all current six selections we have?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Dodoro won’t want to give up 51. Hope GWS play hardball

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[lumpinee]

i remember in mid 2017 the likes of Rioli,Castagna,Butler,Townsend etc were a bunch nobodys,rookies,unheard of with no profile whatsover
what then happened mixed together with a group of hardened,hungry A graders ?

So im sick of hearing guys like Mcintosh,Aarts,Castagna,Rioli,Pickett & an older Edwards are gonna get it done again for us,they are not.

Fortunately We've still got the A graders,tho time is a ticking, add Lynch & the rise of Bolton and a bullterrier who doesnt know how to
give in to that 2017 Gf side and what that means this is the season we play Hugo,Dow,RCD,Cumberland etc & our 2021 2 x 1sts
mistakes n all.
They are the foundations to Richmond hoisting a flag in either '22 or '23.They are Castagna,Aarts,Butler,Mcintosh,Pickett,Townsend,Short etc
and given the opportunity id back them in to be even better

 

[Marcel Proust]

Richmond should forge its own path. What has happened previously is irrelevant.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

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[Marcel Proust]

i remember in mid 2017 the likes of Rioli,Castagna,Butler,Townsend etc were a bunch nobodys,rookies,unheard of with no profile whatsover
what then happened mixed together with a group of hardened,hungry A graders ?

So im sick of hearing guys like Mcintosh,Aarts,Castagna,Rioli,Pickett & an older Edwards are gonna get it done again for us,they are not.

Fortunately We've still got the A graders,tho time is a ticking, add Lynch & the rise of Bolton and a bullterrier who doesnt know how to
give in to that 2017 Gf side and what that means this is the season we play Hugo,Dow,RCD,Cumberland etc & our 2021 2 x 1sts
mistakes n all.
They are the foundations to Richmond hoisting a flag in either '22 or '23.They are Castagna,Aarts,Mcintosh,Pickett,Townsend,Short etc
and given the ooportunity they could well be better.

Pickett has won two flags in 5 minuets

Daniel Rioli has looked very promising I'm the backline.

The others you mention are doubtful best22 outside edwards

 

[tiger_tough]

51 won't be enough for dodo to get Hill. Wonder if they'd do 26 and 28 for 11?

38 and 40 for pies 27.

Take 7, 11, 15 and 27 to the draft. Or give 15 and future 1st for GCs pick 3 and take 3, 7, 11 and 27.