List Mgmt. Trade & Free Agency talk Pt 5

[strauchy]

I really think we should be going HARD after Bowes. He is actually a gun being played out of position since day 1. He's not a defender.
He has elite poise, and never hesitates. Would actually be a very handy player for us and most clubs.

 

[fargothegreat]

Here's a probably one-sided scenario for you to all wank over:

• We trade Graham to Port for their end of first compo pick
• This frees up the cap space for us to trade in Bowes and pick 7 for our future second.
• We then trade 7 and 12 for Taranto and Hopper.

End result is ...
OUT: Graham, 12, Future second
IN: Taranto, Hopper, Bowes, 19

 

[richoatthedisco]

Basketball is amazing

American football and baseball are utter trash in comparison

Any code of football is better than basketball. Even rugby union.

(Ok, maybe not rugby union.)

 

[RobsJourney]

I still reckon the Graham stuff is being beat up a bit. I don't reckon he'll go anywhere.

 

[fargothegreat]

I really think we should be going HARD after Bowes. He is actually a gun being played out of position since day 1. He's not a defender.
He has elite poise, and never hesitates. Would actually be a very handy player for us and most clubs.

At draft time some were comparing him to Cotch with his poise. Don't think he's developed the same hard edge yet though.

He's pretty good overhead, so worst case he'd be a handy wingman.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

Graham ain't going.

Media scrambling for Richmond to 'lose', they can't fathom how we're strolling into trade week, getting Hopper and Taranto and there's nothing no one can do about it!

Hawks may be a Racist Mafia, but we've got the Trade Week Mafia

 

[austyn08]

I really think we should be going HARD after Bowes. He is actually a gun being played out of position since day 1. He's not a defender.
He has elite poise, and never hesitates. Would actually be a very handy player for us and most clubs.

What we have seen with Hartley is a long term plan, so going for Bowes here would be left field or more on the fly, something saint kilda would do.
Putting our name in the hat would suggest we have been following Bowes a bit or we expect a gun to be at pick 7.

 

[Old M8]

If Port are going to offer him big coin and compensate us for losing him, then I don't think I'd be against letting him go.

Would need to hand over that end of first compo for him though.

Reckon a 2nd rounder is our absolute best case scenario

 

[David3030]

It’s been reported 500

It is $500k his salary for next year BUT he is OWED $850k that has to be paid over the next 2 years. So, assuming he is on the same amount in 2024 as 2023 and you pay half his owed money each year that is a salary of $925k per year for the next 2 years for a player not guaranteed to get a senior game! Why would our club entertain that?

 

[fargothegreat]

Reckon a 2nd rounder is our absolute best case scenario

I doubt we'd trade him for a mid-late second with two years to run on his contract.

 

[fargothegreat]

What we have seen with Hartley is a long term plan, so going for Bowes here would be left field or more on the fly, something saint kilda would do.
Putting our name in the hat would suggest we have been following Bowes a bit or we expect a gun to be at pick 7.

Tiger71 had us linked to Bowes last year, so it wouldn't be totally out of the blue.

 

[RobsJourney]

Graham ain't going.

Media scrambling for Richmond to 'lose', they can't fathom how we're strolling into trade week, getting Hopper and Taranto and there's nothing no one can do about it!

Hawks may be a Racist Mafia, but we've got the Trade Week Mafia

What's annoying is that Gold Coast and GWS have been "raided" plenty in the past, and no one has really said anything. It's all been par for the course that these teams would lose a bunch of their stars given how many high picks they've had over the years, even putting aside the fact that salaries have clearly been mismanaged. It was just expected but not a big deal cause they've always had plenty of guns left over and to replace the departed with too.

But now we come along with a trade for a team we've never "raided" in the past, a team who openly needs to get salaries off their books, a team who will be compensated fairly, and now all the talk starts about how it's unfair that these teams get raided, how Richmond shouldn't be able to do this etc.

What about the million non-Carlton players playing for Carlton? What about Essendon's starting midfield being half GWS? (Shiel and Caldwell, Smith has just retired).

 

[Old M8]

I doubt we'd trade him for a mid-late second with two years to run on his contract.

Contract expires 2023, but doubt we’re getting a premium pick for a mid that averages possessions in the mid-teens regardless of the pressure he applies.

We’ve shown in the past we’ll look after the player first in a trade before the club. Graham will be no different.

 

[Groupie_]

man we were pretty in to narkle in 2020 from what i recall, and then he commited to geelong

sparkle narkle

 

[sregit]

Here's a probably one-sided scenario for you to all wank over:

• We trade Graham to Port for their end of first compo pick
• This frees up the cap space for us to trade in Bowes and pick 7 for our future second.
• We then trade 7 and 12 for Taranto and Hopper.

End result is ...
OUT: Graham, 12, Future second
IN: Taranto, Hopper, Bowes, 19

How do you finance TT , Hopper and Bowes. 2.3 million?

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

What's annoying is that Gold Coast and GWS have been "raided" plenty in the past, and no one has really said anything. It's all been par for the course that these teams would lose a bunch of their stars given how many high picks they've had over the years, even putting aside the fact that salaries have clearly been mismanaged. It was just expected but not a big deal cause they've always had plenty of guns left over and to replace the departed with too.

But now we come along with a trade for a team we've never "raided" in the past, a team who openly needs to get salaries off their books, a team who will be compensated fairly, and now all the talk starts about how it's unfair that these teams get raided, how Richmond shouldn't be able to do this etc.

What about the million non-Carlton players playing for Carlton? What about Essendon's starting midfield being half GWS? (Shiel and Caldwell, Smith has just retired).

Oh and let's also reiterate how much worse firstly,

1. Poaching Bruhn by Geelong
2. Taking Bowes by Geelong
3. Taking Henry by Geelong.

The media won't sit there and condemn the system with Geelong able to essentially avoid even using top end draft picks, with the ability to lure 1st round picks with two years in the system, to their club.

So they don't even need to develop them!

Taranto and Hopper, like Lynch and Prestia, all repaid the club that drafted them. AFL should stop trying to cut Richmond at the knees and focus on increasing a draftees contract from 2 to 3 years so they can't just stroll to Geelong at their lowest currency.

GWS willing to deal with Richmond because the Tigers are honest and forthright with the value of Taranto and Hopper.

Geelong being sneaky af and will offer some steaknifes for Bruhn who really, could be anything at this point. GWS deserve to find out for themselves

 

[fargothegreat]

Contract expires 2023, but doubt we’re getting a premium pick for a mid that averages possessions in the mid-teens regardless of the pressure he applies.

We’ve shown in the past we’ll look after the player first in a trade before the club. Graham will be no different.

Has been reported today that his contract has a pretty easy trigger in it next year, so he's essentially contracted for another two years.

Balme has said in the past that we're happy to help players move if they have a good reason to, but not if they're just moving for more money, which is what this would be for Graham.

 

[fargothegreat]

How do you finance TT , Hopper and Bowes. 2.3 million?

**** knows

I was just brainstorming fantasy trades.

 

[austyn08]

Contract expires 2023, but doubt we’re getting a premium pick for a mid that averages possessions in the mid-teens regardless of the pressure he applies.

We’ve shown in the past we’ll look after the player first in a trade before the club. Graham will be no different.

Graham will be different or more to the point what we ask for him. We won’t be settling for a token pick given his credentials.
They offer a 3rd rounder we aren’t accomodating him or port imo

 

[RobsJourney]

Contract expires 2023, but doubt we’re getting a premium pick for a mid that averages possessions in the mid-teens regardless of the pressure he applies.

We’ve shown in the past we’ll look after the player first in a trade before the club. Graham will be no different.

Yes but we've done that in situations where the player was never/was no longer commanding a spot in the 22, and/or that was surplus to needs, players we could afford to part with to help them out (whether we were right or wrong). Eg. Butler, outside of his 2017 season he looked kinda shit at times and had lost his spot to Higgins too, so losing him for an average pick was no biggie especially given how strong we were at the time.

Graham is different, he is best 22, and has a year left on his contract. Bringing in Taranto and Hopper instantly improves our midfield and may push Graham out, may, but I still think he'd be in the 22. He only didn't play in the Brisbane final because it was too risky to play him when he might not have been 100 percent and had missed a chunk of footy. Ross and Sonsie had been performing too.

Also, the moment Cotchin needs a rest or Prestia gets injured again, if we've offloaded Graham then we'll be kicking ourselves, suddenly our midfield will be looking shallow again despite the quality in it.

So I think it'll either be a non-event, or if he really wants to go then it'll be pay up or he has to stay. We won't just fob him off for a pick over 30, all that does is weaken us, give us a generally shit pick, and strengthen a rival of ours that is at a similar level to us.

 

[Old M8]

Has been reported today that his contract has a pretty easy trigger in it next year, so he's essentially contracted for another two years.

Balme has said in the past that we're happy to help players move if they have a good reason to, but not if they're just moving for more money, which is what this would be for Graham.

Thank you, didn’t know about the trigger.

I doubt is predominately about money. He’s been moved around a lot, was an emergency for this years EF, finished 17th in the BnF. His spot in the 22 is 100% under pressure.

He struggled for midfield time this year and our Taranto/Hopper acquisitions are about to make his spot in the 22 much harder.

 

[DM#4]

 

[Roksman]

Ok, things have escalated...

 

[tigerfan1961]

Ok, things have escalated...

Sure have!! I’m at ease if he were to go though, Taranto and Hopper are pretty well the same age and appear to be better inside mids. Do love Jack though and would prefer we retain him, but if he intends to move back to Adelaide at end of next year, we should cash in. Take their Amon compo pick I guess.
We don’t know the full circumstances and what discussions he’s had with the club, so whatever happens will be in his and our best interests imo. Narkle could maybe come in as a back up now?

 

[prodigy]

It's real now.