Autopsy Round 10, 2024: Hawks get pipped by Power

[Jethro!]

Top 3 for hardest loss to cop alongside the 2012 GF and Hawkins after the siren in the same year.

Genuinely gutted and getting myself to work this morning with a positive attitude was nearly impossible.

For the mental health I think I'm going to plan a day trip with the family on Sunday at 1pm and watch the replay if we can knock off the Lions.

The one positive I guess I can take out of it is that I wouldn't care so much if I didn't believe the win would mean so much. We're almost back to the point where every week counts, which means the rebuild has entered its next phase.

Those 2 hard losses in 2012 against the swines and scats were just the precipice of greatness my man, hold faith!

 

[The Golden Glenferrie]

If you're five goals up with a quarter to go, you just keep doing what you're doing, because the opposition will start to take risks and you'll generate turnovers. I dislike the structural changes we did for the last quarter :/

Having said which, whilst not getting the win is disappointing, this year i still want a fairly high draft pick please, not some mid-ranger. Next year? Next year needs to be pushing for the finals.

Usually i am happy to lose as the draft picks are front of mind, but that scalp should have been taken and it would have been huge.

Massive gut punch and IDC about the draft picks in this case.

 

[Rhayader]

I am not as angry as last night but very close. 41 up and a chance to take a scalp in our development and we completely stuffed it.

I love Sam Mitchells confidence/ arrogance but he completely butchered the Melbourne game and completely fluffed the last 30 mins of footy yesterday.

David King nailed it when he said “sometimes as coach you don’t need to overplay your role and let the players play.”.

That last 30 minutes was diabolical yesterday.

Pretty sure I heard King say at three quarter time that Mitchell should move Day back…

 

[CHUBBSS]

Those 2 hard losses in 2012 against the swines and scats were just the precipice of greatness my man, hold faith!

Correct, loosing this one will be big factor in how we improve, it will sting

 

[Franko Armani]

Everything has been said but just a few cents from me:

Meek - I’d have traded/never played him again based on last years performances. Had seen this in the highlights before we grabbed him but oh man he has really proved me wrong this year. He has been absolutely epic since rejoining the seniors. Huge reason why we are going better now. Using that big bollocking body is what he needed to do.

Dear - hope we just keep rolling with this kid. He can stay in for Gunston. Sub him if he has no legs left late. Just looks a proper key forward. Takes marks and impacts contests like we haven’t had since Rough was around.

Newk - is coming.

Day - see above.

Ethan Philips - great debut. Played exactly as I’d expected him to. Makes fitting everyone in the backline tricky now - good problem.

CJ - how good to see him back.

Amon - love a lot of his use of the ball. Hate seeing his efforts in the contested stuff. He doesn’t like it. It costs us.

We ran out of legs. Couldn’t spread and run like we had for 3 quarters.

Need to get fitter. Awesome to see us play like that for 3 qtr!

 

[Slainte]

In the preview thread, most said that they would be happy if we put up a decent contest. We all but win but almost no-one is happy (me included). Human nature is a strange phenomenon.

 

[BobHawk]

Bucks saying that Amon is not a defender.

Time to put him on a wing once Scrim and Sic are back this week.

My take on what Buckley said was that Amon is a good rebound defender but wasn't the man to be in defence given the situation and IMO, the conditions. Neither Amon nor Impey are very good in the contest and particularly in wet conditions. They are both great rebound defenders for transitioning into attack and are absolute weapons but given the situation and conditions it may have been better to put different players back there. I think this is something to learn from.

 

[BobHawk]

Bucks is very good here. From 8:45.

The idea of leaving Dimma forward has merit but on the other hand we need to look at the fact that the team overall struggled to move the ball forward at all and Dimma was important in repelling several PA forward moves. So, one could argue that the margin may have been greater if he played forward. But as Buckley said, it is good to dissect every aspect of the game given how close it was and the way we lost. So much to take out of the game. In the end it was still a very valiant effort from a team that is evolving.

 

[Franko Armani]

Actually should’ve mentioned Dylan Moore

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Dylan Moore

Age

25

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.9

3star

K

5.1

2star

HB

6.7

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.9

4star

G

0.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.2

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.2

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.8

5star

G

0.4

3star

too. Absolute BEAST MODE in the last few weeks. Amazing efforts

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

To those who say each week that we run out of legs or that we are gassed. We are not.

We simply go into our shell and don’t take the game on. It’s all part of the learning.

Fitness isn’t a concern, execution and system late in games is.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

The idea of leaving Dimma forward has merit but on the other hand we need to look at the fact that the team overall struggled to move the ball forward at all and Dimma was important in repelling several PA forward moves. So, one could argue that the margin may have been greater if he played forward. But as Buckley said, it is good to dissect every aspect of the game given how close it was and the way we lost. So much to take out of the game. In the end it was still a very valiant effort from a team that is evolving.

I thought Kingy summed it up well on First Crack last night.

We don’t get the the 4pts, it hurts now, but it doesn’t hurt us in the long term and doesn’t change the journey or trajectory we are on.

 

[westhawk]

Bucks saying that Amon is not a defender.

Time to put him on a wing once Scrim and Sic are back this week.

Should never be a defender, as he can’t defend. Gets stats, but alot of them are kick ins. That last play says it all, just had to absorb the tackle and we win. Hasn’t got a defender mentality.
The push in the back from Weddle on the wing leading to the Rioli goal was the most costly. We had a 3 on 1 and he gave away a stupid free. So many crucial moments in that last 45 seconds.

 

[Philhawk]

I hear you. I'm from Adelaide as well, and over the years have had a gutful of being beaten by 1 point by Port Adelaide. It took me awhile to fathom why yesterday's loss hit me worse than some others, but this is it. I couldn't see any positives, all I saw is bloody Port Adelaide coming from well behind and beating my team once again.

Like many Hawks fans just want to beat the likes of Carlton, Essendon, Collingwood, etc, the team I want to beat more than anyone else is Port Adelaide. Yesterday's loss really hurts.

I hear you. Living in Syd I feel that way particularly about the Swans. 2012 hit me particularly bad.

 

[burner1]

Port were always going to come hard in the last quarter. We held up against the saints last week but failed this week (just). We also had an amazing run in the 1st quarter (11-4 free kicks including 3+ shots at goal) and a bit of luck went the other way in end.

We’re playing materially better than earlier in the season. Our defensive structures are better, we’re competitive in the clearances. Dear is a massive find. Day is back. Guys like seamus and Massimo are becoming regulars. We’re still a work in progress.

Any 1 point loss sucks. But this game really doesn’t matter in the big picture.
Hopefully the team is burning for a win and cracks in again next week. When we put in the effort we have over last 3 games we’re always a chance (can we sustain it is an open question).

 

[H00t]

To those who say each week that we run out of legs or that we are gassed. We are not.

We simply go into our shell and don’t take the game on. It’s all part of the learning.

Fitness isn’t a concern, execution and system late in games is.

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Part of that can be going too hard to early and spending too much energy early. Fitness is good it’s just not perfectly correlating to game performance yet

Some games we’ve really finished strongly.

This game though our players could barely get above a jog in the last while ports still had the energy to sprint.

Tigers 17-20 had this where they could run over the top of teams in the last half and would finish with less km’s run enabling their strong finishes.

 

[Blackhawk42]

In the preview thread, most said that they would be happy if we put up a decent contest. We all but win but almost no-one is happy (me included). Human nature is a strange phenomenon.

43 points down against Collingwood. We came back, lost by 3 and I left the stadium feeling like we'd won.

41 points yesterday and lose in the final 5 seconds and I just wish we'd have lost by 100 instead.

 

[TylerDurden]

Dixon in the ruck was a master-stroke late. Conceded that Frost had destroyed him, and Meek was having his way with Dante.

 

[peetoo]

FWIW, all the sides we have lost to so far are in the top 8 as it currently stands, and we have beaten everyone else.

Becoming the ‘honest team’

 

[Lickmesocks]

Pretty sure I heard King say at three quarter time that Mitchell should move Day back…

Conor Mac hitting the post in the last qtr would have been the sealer. The Poor lad would be hating the Adelaide Oval right now.

The Day and Hardwick moves the media are banging on about to me is not the cause for the whole team to shut up shop. Both Day and Hardwick get moved around every single game.

Were we really that completely gassed from 3 qtrs of footy, that our only way home was to chip sideways and backwards trying to run the final 30 minutes of a game of football down? If that’s not the directions of the coach then they need to get the message out there. Ratten could see it unfolding as you could see the stress on his face with 10 minutes to go with the way we were playing.

Just would have loved to see someone show some composure and direction out in the middle, as it was a horror movie unfolding where everyone knew who the killer was.

 

[peetoo]

Dixon in the ruck was a master-stroke late. Conceded that Frost had destroyed him, and Meek was having his way with Dante.

Dixon was nice and rested too

 

[burner1]

Bucks saying that Amon is not a defender.

Time to put him on a wing once Scrim and Sic are back this week.

He’s also setting us up by foot a lot and by eye seems to set us up on attacking chains more than scrim/Sicily do. It’s a trade off that some weeks looks good and others (when defensive side is exposed) looks a poor choice. We’ve also put more ‘defenders’ in backline (which has helped) recently so need Amon’s attack.

It’s the same conundrum with Hardwick forward or back. He kicks goals up forward but stops a lot of goals down back (which has also won us games).

We’re also playing an undersized forward line which is making us unpredictable and adds forward pressure but can make scoring erratic (lots of shots from deep out wide).

At the moment given age and talent on our list is a lot of trade offs across the park. As we mature (and add more talent) will be less.

 

[Charchi]

Those 2 hard losses in 2012 against the swines and scats were just the precipice of greatness my man, hold faith!

I have likened it to the 2011 PF against the pies. I forgot about the cats games after the siren, Bartell and Hawkins!

 

[kazzooka]

A lot being said about defensive mindset and giving up the big lead.

However, now i've slept on it what we actually played that last quarter well, you never get a whole game on your terms and we held them out for so long. The first 3 quarters we successfully iced those last minutes to maintain our lead. Late goals in quarters have burnt us this year many times.

Had the siren gone 45 seconds earlier we win by 11 and we've held strong against a side going all out attack with nothing to lose. Most times in those last quarters when you have a lead, the side coming back has to take bigger risks to score and you end up countering them. We weren't able to do that but held the lead. We did a lot right to be 11 points up with 45 seconds left.

Long kicks out of defence to contests instead of the kick to the open side that Amon did a few times. Correct decision however, we never went wide enough, when we lost those contests Port had a chance to bring it forward again, it should have gone to contests on the boundary line so we could setup 80m out for boundary throw ins. LONG AND WIDE should be aiming just inside the line to spoil over.


NOW the last 45 seconds.

Weddle free kick, didn't need to touch him we won it back. Moore, newcombe and macdonald there closing in on 1 port player.

After free kick, Houston AGAIN all on his own.

AMon free kick to Rioli. Even losing that contest would be a better result, needs to be better.


After Rioli goal.
Day was setting up trying to win the clearance. He should have been right on butters. All we needed was a second bounce. Even if we won that and kicked forward it could be a turnover. A second bounce and we win.

Meek, tapped it clear of the contest, should have just grabbed it and got tackled, or tapped to his feet. A second stoppage an no 6 6 6 we have 18 players behind the ball and 15 seconds.

Not sure Dambrosio or Amon could have done much different to stop the last goal. Amon got had it knocked out trying to pass to players in front. Perhaps dambrosio could have tried a clearing kick.

We were set up trying to win clean ball. Last 2 weeks we played this well, not sure what stuffed up here.

 

[SSSSSS]

Squiggle had Port at a 78% chance to win with the average margin being around 29-32 points.

 

[SSSSSS]

A lot being said about defensive mindset and giving up the big lead.

However, now i've slept on it what we actually played that last quarter well, you never get a whole game on your terms and we held them out for so long. The first 3 quarters we successfully iced those last minutes to maintain our lead. Late goals in quarters have burnt us this year many times.

Had the siren gone 45 seconds earlier we win by 11 and we've held strong against a side going all out attack with nothing to lose. Most times in those last quarters when you have a lead, the side coming back has to take bigger risks to score and you end up countering them. We weren't able to do that but held the lead. We did a lot right to be 11 points up with 45 seconds left.

Long kicks out of defence to contests instead of the kick to the open side that Amon did a few times. Correct decision however, we never went wide enough, when we lost those contests Port had a chance to bring it forward again, it should have gone to contests on the boundary line so we could setup 80m out for boundary throw ins. LONG AND WIDE should be aiming just inside the line to spoil over.


NOW the last 45 seconds.

Weddle free kick, didn't need to touch him we won it back. Moore, newcombe and macdonald there closing in on 1 port player.

After free kick, Houston AGAIN all on his own.

AMon free kick to Rioli. Even losing that contest would be a better result, needs to be better.


After Rioli goal.
Day was setting up trying to win the clearance. He should have been right on butters. All we needed was a second bounce. Even if we won that and kicked forward it could be a turnover. A second bounce and we win.

Meek, tapped it clear of the contest, should have just grabbed it and got tackled, or tapped to his feet. A second stoppage an no 6 6 6 we have 18 players behind the ball and 15 seconds.

Not sure Dambrosio or Amon could have done much different to stop the last goal. Amon got had it knocked out trying to pass to players in front. Perhaps dambrosio could have tried a clearing kick.

We were set up trying to win clean ball. Last 2 weeks we played this well, not sure what stuffed up here.

It was just inexperience that cost us in the end.

Meek needed to force a stoppage instead of trying to win the tap. A tap to the feet would have done it.

Day had to run with Butters who was hot instead of trying to find space.

We would have learned a lot. Better to learn these lessons now when they don't matter as much.