List Mgmt. 2014 Draft Trade FA Megathread

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I don't see how Dangerfield age is a problem, if it is i guess we better trade away Jack Steven..

 

[L_W_P]

What I would like those who watch the juniors to tell us is - Are there any Barry Hall/Aaron Hamill/Fraser Gehrig types coming through? Guys who can take defenders by the scruff and really intimidate them. Looking at our forward options and too often the word of think of is 'athletic'.

What I would love in our next generation front 6 is a real nasty bastard who squeezes the air out of the ball when he marks it out it front and then turns around and tells the defender to "**** off back to the mark" while he slots the set shot.

They don't need to be dickheads off field like Martin, King, Cloke etc. Frase was nice enough the few times I talked to him at club events and Hammers is a downright sweetheart (Never met Baz...) so I'm talking more of the 'white line fever' types.

 

[gringo2011]

What I would like those who watch the juniors to tell us is - Are there any Barry Hall/Aaron Hamill/Fraser Gehrig types coming through? Guys who can take defenders by the scruff and really intimidate them. Looking at our forward options and too often the word of think of is 'athletic'.

What I would love in our next generation front 6 is a real nasty bastard who squeezes the air out of the ball when he marks it out it front and then turns around and tells the defender to "**** off back to the mark" while he slots the set shot.

They don't need to be dickheads off field like Martin, King, Cloke etc. Frase was nice enough the few times I talked to him at club events and Hammers is a downright sweetheart (Never met Baz...) so I'm talking more of the 'white line fever' types.

I know I'm alone but I like Lamb. I think he has some cockiness. He could be a forward line a hole. I'm not sold on these 2 meter tall forwards yet. Tippett works so everyone want 2 meter tall forwards. Vickery should be an example of why height isn't talent.

 

[gringo2011]

That wont happen. We wont go after Free Agents until we are at least on the way up. He's only 25 now but he'll be 30 by the time we will be pushing for a flag. We'd be much better waiting and spending that money in 3 years time, that way they'll be 27/28 when we are up the top.

We might need to get someone to pay out our minimum cap. We are paying next years wages to meet this years obligations. That's a hole next year. Offer $100000 for year one for Dangermouse. He will at least teach the kids some mongrel and good training habits.

 

[gringo2011]

We might need to get someone to pay out our minimum cap. We are paying next years wages to meet this years obligations. That's a hole next year. Offer $100000 for year one for Dangermouse. He will at least teach the kids some mongrel and good training habits.

That should have been $1 mill- got lazy with my zeros.

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

I know I'm alone but I like Lamb. I think he has some cockiness. He could be a forward line a hole. I'm not sold on these 2 meter tall forwards yet. Tippett works so everyone want 2 meter tall forwards. Vickery should be an example of why height isn't talent.

I've never seen Lamb play but he probably isn't in the range where our pick would be is he? I'd assume he is around 10-20? we're probably going to have Pick 1, 2, 3 or 4.

 

[Periphery]

We might need to get someone to pay out our minimum cap. We are paying next years wages to meet this years obligations. That's a hole next year. Offer $100000 for year one for Dangermouse. He will at least teach the kids some mongrel and good training habits.

It doesn't leave a hole for next year because you just pay the following year in advance to meet the min TPP. This means that the gap keeps on growing every year allowing you to have massive space for when we want to drop it on a FA, a key resigning or just to allow for the increase in payments as kids improve.

 

[Barrels]

I know I'm alone but I like Lamb. I think he has some cockiness. He could be a forward line a hole. I'm not sold on these 2 meter tall forwards yet. Tippett works so everyone want 2 meter tall forwards. Vickery should be an example of why height isn't talent.

Lamb certainly fits the 'cocky' bill, but certainly not the intimidation requirement, in fact 'athletic' is a perfectly apt description of him...

I know I'm a bit biased, but Reece McKenzie seems more your Gehrig/Hamill 'presence' type.

Doesn't have the same level of talent though.

 

[66sainter]

I played against Tim Membrey in his draft year and he was an arrogant prick, was tough as nails. Could certainly walk the walk though.

 

[God Save Max King]

I don't see how Dangerfield age is a problem, if it is i guess we better trade away Jack Steven..

I wouldn't write it off so quickly.

Periphery You might be referring to Eastern ranges boy Sam Weideman? 195 cm 85 KG KPF, son of Mark (27 games) and grandson of Murray (180 games) for Collingwood. He's kicked a couple of bags in the TAC cup, still has a lot of development left but is a freak athlete and looks promising for a top 5 pick next year.

Weideman a great player, a fantastic talent, but not getting selected in the Metro side is concerning. That said he was the glaring omission.

I've never seen Lamb play but he probably isn't in the range where our pick would be is he? I'd assume he is around 10-20? we're probably going to have Pick 1, 2, 3 or 4.

Around that mark. He's just as talented as the top 10 picks, but a level head on your shoulders is so important in the AFL.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I know I'm a bit biased, but Reece McKenzie

Doesn't have the same level of talent though.

...yet! Give him some time!

 

[ike2112]

I don't get this line of thinking, our 24 to 27 age range is so bare it's ridiculous, we desperately need reinforcements to speed up our rebuild.

Why do we want to speed up our rebuild and ruin our chances at a flag?

If we skip using draft and patience, and pay out our cap space on FAs, then all we will be doing is replacing, for example, Hayes with Shiel, Joey with Dangerfield and Roo with Walker. The rest of the list will still be the same, but 3 years older. We'll bumble around the edge of the top 8, recycling positions as we go.
We are deficient across the board - there's a hell of a lot more recruitment, and improvement required until we can competently move the ball around the park accurately under pressure, and stop teams going coast-2-coast on us multiple times a game.

Stay the course, take the full 4 years to rebuild, get high picks. At best go for someone like Lynch, who would be essentially like taking a 1st round draft pick that you know can lead the line in the AFL whilst still in the age bracket we want (i.e. is a more sure-thing than a draft pick).
In 2018 sign whatver that day's version of Dangerfield is, and add them to top up the list to being elite level.

 

[God Save Max King]

FWIW: Vic Metro and Country squads are up here http://madmondayshow.com/2014/05/14/vic-countrymetro-squads/, would expect that the the later game between the two sides will be televised.

 

[gringo2011]

Why do we want to speed up our rebuild and ruin our chances at a flag?

If we skip using draft and patience, and pay out our cap space on FAs, then all we will be doing is replacing, for example, Hayes with Shiel, Joey with Dangerfield and Roo with Walker. The rest of the list will still be the same, but 3 years older. We'll bumble around the edge of the top 8, recycling positions as we go.
We are deficient across the board - there's a hell of a lot more recruitment, and improvement required until we can competently move the ball around the park accurately under pressure, and stop teams going coast-2-coast on us multiple times a game.

Stay the course, take the full 4 years to rebuild, get high picks. At best go for someone like Lynch, who would be essentially like taking a 1st round draft pick that you know can lead the line in the AFL whilst still in the age bracket we want (i.e. is a more sure-thing than a draft pick).
In 2018 sign whatver that day's version of Dangerfield is, and add them to top up the list to being elite level.

I think the danger is that being crap isn't a tempting environment. Getting a big signing makes you more and more attractive. Caddy didn't look at us because we were seen as going down. We are still going to bottom 5 if we get Dangerfield but we might get pick 4 or 5 instead of 1. Still gets you quality.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I know I'm alone but I like Lamb. I think he has some cockiness. He could be a forward line a hole. I'm not sold on these 2 meter tall forwards yet. Tippett works so everyone want 2 meter tall forwards. Vickery should be an example of why height isn't talent.

The really big built guys can be a dilemma as well. They are now expected to play quite deep and cover lots of ground, and I really struggle to picture guys like Fraser Gehrig in todays game.
I have concerns about the long term durability of the guys that do it , ( Hawkins, Cloke, Roughead ). Their big bodies wil put big loads on their joints, so we may well end up with players who peak late then retire.


Interesting comments on Vickery pre-draft. The line " it is extremely rare for any of these types of players to ever become elite in either the ruck or key position" hits the nail on the head.


http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/23569-quigleys-phantom-draft-on-bf/
Tyrone Vickery (DOB – 31/5/90, Ht – 200, Wt – 89)

Vickery is the highest rated of the many ruck sized utilities available this year. I also have him rated the highest of those players because unlike most Vickery actually has legitimate ruck height and reasonable (although not great) rucking skills. The problem though with all of these players is that none of them really specialise in any one position and it is extremely rare for any of these types of players to ever become elite in either the ruck or key position. Okay I have a question for you – who was the number 1 ruck for Vic Metro? That would have been McKernan. Okay he also looked impressive in the forward line so who was the number 1 forward for Vic Metro that got the number 1 defender? That would have been Watts. So a nice second stringer is a virtually certain to be taken in the top 10 and maybe as high as 4. I am sorry but if I am taking someone in the top 10 I want that person to be at least the number 1 option at their position at junior level. Hey call me crazy. Anyway the positives – he has great height especially when he goes forward and has very good hands both overhead and below the knees. His ability below the knees is particularly impressive for a man of his size. He is a courageous player who is not afraid to commit to a contest and will work to chase down and tackle players in his area. He uses his height well in the marking contest and is a pretty good kick for goal. In the ruck he seems a pretty good technician although note that he had less than half the taps that Naitanui had at the Champs. He has come back superbly well from losing virtually all of last year to knee surgery and recruiters will be well aware that most players tend to take more than a year to get back fully from knee surgery so there is potential for more than we have seen this year

 

[ike2112]

I think the danger is that being crap isn't a tempting environment. Getting a big signing makes you more and more attractive. Caddy didn't look at us because we were seen as going down. We are still going to bottom 5 if we get Dangerfield but we might get pick 4 or 5 instead of 1. Still gets you quality.

Or you right your own ship, and people want to join you once you're on the up. Dal wanting to go to North isn't the best example, but it's a good player deciding to jump on a bandwagon that everyone thought was on the way up.

As I said, I think instead of Dangerfield or Walker playing for us in 2016 I'd rather have the newer version of Dangerfield or Walker playing for us in 2018. Who knows who that might be? FA rules are highly likely to change again next year. I think Gill is a big wrap for following the NFL a bit more and opening up free agency a little more.
Dion Prestia? Folk like Brad Crouch, Hoskin-Elliot might be more developed and available for trade too. Josh Jenkins wouldn't be too old by then either given he's a bigger lad, a later developer into the AFL. Hannebery? Steele Sidebottom a salary cap casualty of all those high-paid Pies?

 

[Periphery]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-03-11/extra-picks-for-gws-suns

How the first round of the 2014 NAB AFL Draft would look if the ladder was the same as last year, including activated compensation picks:

1: GWS
2: Melbourne
3: St Kilda
4: Western Bulldogs
5: Gold Coast
6: West Coast
7: Brisbane Lions
8: Adelaide
9: North Melbourne
10: Collingwood
11: Richmond
12: Carlton
13: Port Adelaide
14: Sydney Swans
15: Geelong
16: Gold Coast (compensation)
17: Fremantle
18: Hawthorn
19: Essendon (end-of-first round selection given to the club as part of supplements scandal penalties)
20: GWS (compensation)

 

[Manimal_Dunstan]

Would be good if we got our hands on both of those compo picks!!

 

[Nutsngum]

Best thing would be Essendon to bottom out with zero more wins and for us to win at least one more.. avoid the spoon and still get pick 1

 

[stkildathunda]

Would be good if we got our hands on both of those compo picks!!

I said that last year during trade period, we should have gone after them last year and stored them up for this year!

 

[saint sational]

I played against Tim Membrey in his draft year and he was an arrogant prick, was tough as nails. Could certainly walk the walk though.

we gotta have a serious look at this guy! he is a gun and would perfect in our forward line

 

[L_W_P]

Yeah I like Membery a lot. Not sure on value though.

A third rounder is probably about right but no way the Swans take it. Probably more like our second for Membery and their 3rd?

Depending on where the Suns and Cats finish a 2 for 1 deal on our first for the Suns first plus compo could work too.

 

[gringo2011]

Or you right your own ship, and people want to join you once you're on the up. Dal wanting to go to North isn't the best example, but it's a good player deciding to jump on a bandwagon that everyone thought was on the way up.

As I said, I think instead of Dangerfield or Walker playing for us in 2016 I'd rather have the newer version of Dangerfield or Walker playing for us in 2018. Who knows who that might be? FA rules are highly likely to change again next year. I think Gill is a big wrap for following the NFL a bit more and opening up free agency a little more.
Dion Prestia? Folk like Brad Crouch, Hoskin-Elliot might be more developed and available for trade too. Josh Jenkins wouldn't be too old by then either given he's a bigger lad, a later developer into the AFL. Hannebery? Steele Sidebottom a salary cap casualty of all those high-paid Pies?

The difference is Dangerfield or Fyfe won't make us top 10 he will take a chunk of front loaded cap space and take 1 spot on the list. We will still be bottom 4 but then we can get that next superstar and statistically I'm not sure there is a lot of difference in quality between pick 1 and 6. The person it might take out of the equation is some one like Eli that slipped way down the draft order. You wouldn't take your last pick because you have used it on a free agent. That or need to delist one more player.

 

[hayes]

Can someone refresh my memory? I can't find an article to save my life, was the plan a flag by 2017 or was it just top 4?

 

[aussierulesrules]

What I would like those who watch the juniors to tell us is - Are there any Barry Hall/Aaron Hamill/Fraser Gehrig types coming through? Guys who can take defenders by the scruff and really intimidate them. Looking at our forward options and too often the word of think of is 'athletic'.

What I would love in our next generation front 6 is a real nasty bastard who squeezes the air out of the ball when he marks it out it front and then turns around and tells the defender to "**** off back to the mark" while he slots the set shot.

They don't need to be dickheads off field like Martin, King, Cloke etc. Frase was nice enough the few times I talked to him at club events and Hammers is a downright sweetheart (Never met Baz...) so I'm talking more of the 'white line fever' types.

I doubt he fits all those requirements you listed, but McCartin is definitely the one that is very strong as far as the contested side of things goes. The one that will push and shove and still mark it and also crash packs. Kicking a concern though and you'd also have to wonder how his diabetes will affect his endurance in this day and age where everyone runs from one end of the ground to the other. WHen it comes to sport, apparently endurance is the thing that is most affected by diabetes.