List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part V

[diddley1984]

Kraks also didn't have long running issues like Bennell does

kraks issue was a long running family feud that goes back literally decades, well before he was born. he got involved in it and paid the price.

also Kraks didnt see out another contract from memory, he did his two years and was gone. so probs not a good example here in defencive of bennell.

that wasn’t the question I was answering.
I wasn’t defending Bennell at all. He asked if anyone had spent 4 years out of the AFL and come back successfully. Krakouer did that.
He kick 35 goals from 23 games, and played in a losing Grand Final. He then did an ACL and was delisted 2 years later.
4 years off, successful return, unfortunate unrelated turn of events later.

 

[Premium]

that wasn’t the question I was answering.
I wasn’t defending Bennell at all. He asked if anyone had spent 4 years out of the AFL and come back successfully. Krakouer did that.
He kick 35 goals from 23 games, and played in a losing Grand Final. He then did an ACL and was delisted 2 years later.
4 years off, successful return, unfortunate unrelated turn of events later.

Suspect very few have and they would need to be pretty good players to do so , Bennell was a very good player but time and injury has finished him.
For him to get back and play will be a miracle in it self , let alone be any good.

 

[stfan]

160+: Dempster (AA)
150+: Gram
140+: Gehrig (AA)
130+: Voss, Ray, Schneider
120+:
110+:
100+: Savage*
90+: Bruce, Hamill, Membrey*, Roberton* (AA40)
80+: Weller
70+:
60+: S Powell, Hickey, Dawson, Fiora, Steele*
50+: Longer, Black, Brown*, M Gardiner
40+: Carlisle*, King, Penny, Peake, Ackland, Knobel
30+: Lawrence, L Delaney, T Delaney, Guerra, Wulf
20+: Callaghan, Plapp, Capuano, Maister, Polo, Attard, Birss
10+: Stevens, Murray, Gale, Kent*, C Gardiner, McGough, Gamble, Brooks, M Clarke, Dennis-Lane, Monkhorst, R Powell
1+: Charles, Austin*, Campbell, Hannebery*, Marsh*, Pattison, Stone, Freeman, Begley, Rowe, Watts
0: Butler*, Hill*, Howard*, Jones*, Lovett, Mullins, Ryder*, J Smith

Judging from this list there's probably 10 or so. Dempster and Gehrig clearly the best, followed by a few others.

fu** there's a lot in the bottom few rows there though!

Though a pretty fair team is:

Voss Penny Dempster
Roberton Carlisle Savage
Gram Powell Black
Membrey Bruce Ray
Schneider Gehrig Hamill

Gardiner Steele Hannebery


Hickey Fiora Guerra Lawrence

 

[austinnn]

you're obviously out of the loop. there's literally CCTV footage that ran across all the major networks here of him assaulting someone.

yeah Webster did assault someone and if you go back and read my opinion on that you'd see it. but here's the thing on Webster he doesn't have a long running history including:
- being involved in a new years brawl
- assaulting someone
- being escorted on match day from the ground after interfering with the match day coaching WHILST UNDER THE INFLUENCE
- being escorted from a plane WHILST UNDER THE INFLUENCE
- photographed doing illicit substances
- not turning up to training due to being under the influence
- driving without a licence
- associating with criminal identities

but you're right i'm living in a "white picket fence". seriously you can fu** right off with that kind of language. it has nothing to do with that.

Why even add the "driving without a licence" misdemeanour? You're inviting ridicule. The way you've been carrying on, you'd think the guy had been convicted of murder. I'm uneasy about opening ourselves up to a potential headache, and am willing to trust the wiser and more informed minds at the club. Whereas you have been grandstanding a fair bit - all your drama is giving me a headache. It seems like you have trust issues and are looking for an excuse to walk away from St Kilda, and maybe that might be for the best as you're orbiting a little close to the Barks4eva star. I admire your diligence and passion though, so I guess I'll just keep reading your hysterical opinions and hoping the club do what's best.

 

[CaptainRisky]

We might find another player in Saints colours from tomorrow.

Talk about going out on a limb

 

[L_W_P]

Mitch Brown anyone?

We lament the loss of Bruce as a senior bodied KPF option and Brown has runs on the board. Not a world beater by any means but proven his ability to be a handy option at both ends of the ground.

 

[gringo2011]

Why even add the "driving without a licence" misdemeanour? You're inviting ridicule. The way you've been carrying on, you'd think the guy had been convicted of murder. I'm uneasy about opening ourselves up to a potential headache, and am willing to trust the wiser and more informed minds at the club. Whereas you have been grandstanding a fair bit - all your drama is giving me a headache. It seems like you have trust issues and are looking for an excuse to walk away from St Kilda, and maybe that might be for the best as you're orbiting a little close to the Barks4eva star. I admire your diligence and passion though, so I guess I'll just keep reading your hysterical opinions and hoping the club do what's best.

He's got a pretty good read on WA news. You probably don't want to dismiss what he has to say. He's never been a poster who is overly conservative. If he's worried about him there is probably good reason. We would have a very good side if we'd picked up all St C's WA players.

 

[gringo2011]

Mitch Brown anyone?

We lament the loss of Bruce as a senior bodied KPF option and Brown has runs on the board. Not a world beater by any means but proven his ability to be a handy option at both ends of the ground.

Yeah, I've always rated him. He's a perfect back up for post Bruce. He's actually similar in his ability to move around the ground and has a good work ethic.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Yeah, I've always rated him. He's a perfect back up for post Bruce. He's actually similar in his ability to move around the ground and has a good work ethic.

Could do a lot worse than pick him up.

 

[CaptainRisky]

You blokes are making me throw up , lets just pick up every spud delisted by other clubs because they must be such great players , want to tell me where he fits in the team ?

 

[L_W_P]

Going through the full list here. If we could pick up 1 or 2 of these guys I think it's better than taking pick 100+ to the draft - https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-01/delisted-free-agents-whos-on-the-shelf-who-gets-a-lifeline

Ryan Abbott - Yes. We need a depth ruckman and he is capable. Not sure we want to step on anyone's toes and sign a player that's re-committed to a club as a rookie though?

Harley Bennell - Will divide opinion. I think we are in a good enough position to take the risk on him as the 45th player on the list. Others feel his issues are well beyond normal means of control.

Mitch Brown - Worth a shot. Older body, form at both ends of the ground. Not elite but would be handy to give King a rest along the way.

Wylie Buzza - Yes. We had interest in him as part of the Steven deal didn't we? Not as accomplished as Brown but would be another good young KPF/Ruck on the list to develop with King.

Josh Deluca - Unsure. I don't think his form was anything special but he was playing games with a brand new squad. Mid season draftees should really get 18 month deals though.

Mitch Hibberd - Maybe. I haven't seen enough of him to make a call. Has his fans but why couldn't he stay at North?

Ben Keays - Can he play full time midfield at AFL level? Has awesome NEAFL form and might be worth a punt if he can develop into that role. If he is a forward then it's a pass.

Chris Masten - The Saints were linked to him when he was first delisted. Would bring top shelf IP, premiership credentials and he plays a role for which we are light on (genuine wing) so it's a yes from me. Not elite but comes at the right price.

Sam Murray - Yes. I know we have half backs covered but this guy has serious wheels and is a very good option IMO. Im not sure why the Pies cut him but I would chase him hard. If he could develop to play on a wing he would be perfect.

Luke Partington - Is he able to be picked up? Holy shit if we can go around the draft to sign him then yes please!

Archie Smith - Solid ruck. Not sure what the Lions are thinking here? Worth a shot as we have a need for a decent back up.

 

[L_W_P]

You blokes are making me throw up , lets just pick up every spud delisted by other clubs because they must be such great players , want to tell me where he fits in the team ?

It's not about picking up everyone or slotting them into the best 22. We have a list of 45 odd players that needs to be filled.

The fact is, using pick 140 in the draft isn't going to get us much of anything. These guys are at least solid AFL level options who can sit down at Sandy and keep us covered in case of injury. If Max King needs a rest for a week or 2 then who comes in? A guy like Brown isn't going to kick 40 goals but he can at least provide a semi reliable option in reserve.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Why even add the "driving without a licence" misdemeanour? You're inviting ridicule. The way you've been carrying on, you'd think the guy had been convicted of murder. I'm uneasy about opening ourselves up to a potential headache, and am willing to trust the wiser and more informed minds at the club. Whereas you have been grandstanding a fair bit - all your drama is giving me a headache. It seems like you have trust issues and are looking for an excuse to walk away from St Kilda, and maybe that might be for the best as you're orbiting a little close to the Barks4eva star. I admire your diligence and passion though, so I guess I'll just keep reading your hysterical opinions and hoping the club do what's best.

To me people who drive without a license is an indicator of a particular mindset.

Now i'm old school, i harken from the days where you push your luck drink driving and speed, a lot.
I have lost my license, but it would have been a clear other step to then drive without it.
For me it was a wake up call.

Road safety do gooders would tell you that speeding and driving under the influence are very serious crimes indeed, so i'd consider driving unlicensed right up there.

 

[CaptainRisky]

It's not about picking up everyone or slotting them into the best 22. We have a list of 45 odd players that needs to be filled.

The fact is, using pick 140 in the draft isn't going to get us much of anything. These guys are at least solid AFL level options who can sit down at Sandy and keep us covered in case of injury. If Max King needs a rest for a week or 2 then who comes in? A guy like Brown isn't going to kick 40 goals but he can at least provide a semi reliable option in reserve.

Yeah i totally understand that but he is only filling a seat for a year , its not going to take us forward , id still take a gamble on a younger kid

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Going through the full list here. If we could pick up 1 or 2 of these guys I think it's better than taking pick 100+ to the draft - https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-11-01/delisted-free-agents-whos-on-the-shelf-who-gets-a-lifeline

Ryan Abbott - Yes. We need a depth ruckman and he is capable. Not sure we want to step on anyone's toes and sign a player that's re-committed to a club as a rookie though?

Harley Bennell - Will divide opinion. I think we are in a good enough position to take the risk on him as the 45th player on the list. Others feel his issues are well beyond normal means of control.

Mitch Brown - Worth a shot. Older body, form at both ends of the ground. Not elite but would be handy to give King a rest along the way.

Wylie Buzza - Yes. We had interest in him as part of the Steven deal didn't we? Not as accomplished as Brown but would be another good young KPF/Ruck on the list to develop with King.

Josh Deluca - Unsure. I don't think his form was anything special but he was playing games with a brand new squad. Mid season draftees should really get 18 month deals though.

Mitch Hibberd - Maybe. I haven't seen enough of him to make a call. Has his fans but why couldn't he stay at North?

Ben Keays - Can he play full time midfield at AFL level? Has awesome NEAFL form and might be worth a punt if he can develop into that role. If he is a forward then it's a pass.

Chris Masten - The Saints were linked to him when he was first delisted. Would bring top shelf IP, premiership credentials and he plays a role for which we are light on (genuine wing) so it's a yes from me. Not elite but comes at the right price.

Sam Murray - Yes. I know we have half backs covered but this guy has serious wheels and is a very good option IMO. Im not sure why the Pies cut him but I would chase him hard. If he could develop to play on a wing he would be perfect.

Luke Partington - Is he able to be picked up? Holy shit if we can go around the draft to sign him then yes please!

Archie Smith - Solid ruck. Not sure what the Lions are thinking here? Worth a shot as we have a need for a decent back up.

I think Hibberd was a HBF at North, and they delisted him last season.
He's since put in a very strong season as an inside mid in the VFL.

There are others in the VFL might be worth a look at a late pick, rather than a delisted.

 

[Yawkey way]

Why even add the "driving without a licence" misdemeanour? You're inviting ridicule. The way you've been carrying on, you'd think the guy had been convicted of murder. I'm uneasy about opening ourselves up to a potential headache, and am willing to trust the wiser and more informed minds at the club. Whereas you have been grandstanding a fair bit - all your drama is giving me a headache. It seems like you have trust issues and are looking for an excuse to walk away from St Kilda, and maybe that might be for the best as you're orbiting a little close to the Barks4eva star. I admire your diligence and passion though, so I guess I'll just keep reading your hysterical opinions and hoping the club do what's best.

Actually driving while his licence was suspended, who knows how many offences he committed to achieve that but clearly has no respect for authority.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I think Hibberd was a HBF at North, and they delisted him last season.
He's since put in a very strong season as an inside mid in the VFL.

There are others in the VFL might be worth a look at a late pick, rather than a delisted.

Correct , blokes that have been at other clubs for 5 or so years are not all of a sudden going to improve because we pick them up

 

[BrutThough]

Yeah i totally understand that but he is only filling a seat for a year , its not going to take us forward , id still take a gamble on a younger kid

I'd rather we have someone who we know can step up to AFL incase an injury occurs sitting on our list for a year over a kid with a 10% chance of making it who is of no use for the majority of the time because they are still developing.

The delisted FA who can step in if needed is a greater chance of taking us forward by being able to support those who are best 22 than that kid taken very late in the draft.

 

[CaptainRisky]

I'd rather we have someone who we know can step up to AFL incase an injury occurs sitting on our list for a year over a kid with a 10% chance of making it who is of no use for the majority of the time because they are still developing.

The delisted FA who can step in if needed is a greater chance of taking us forward by being able to support those who are best 22 than that kid taken very late in the draft.

Each to their own i guess

 

[CursingFijian]

dustin martin goes alright

Dustin Martin is a c*ckhead. Totally different thing all together.

 

[CursingFijian]

Phillips shouldnt even be on the list , talk about bland , Who's spot does Masten take as he is just more junk depth ,,,,,,Enough

I used to think that about his brother at Collingwood. He seems to have carved a niche for himself based on the one thing you can’t teach - hard running.

 

[WRFL Indentity]

Red headed C you next Tuesday to be precise

You got what you @#$%^& wanted you @#$%^& red headed #$%^

 

[BigPowerForward]

I'd rather we have someone who we know can step up to AFL incase an injury occurs sitting on our list for a year over a kid with a 10% chance of making it who is of no use for the majority of the time because they are still developing.

The delisted FA who can step in if needed is a greater chance of taking us forward by being able to support those who are best 22 than that kid taken very late in the draft.

According to Draft Guru, for every 4 players picked in the 50+ range, on average, only one will reach 50 games
A delisted FA makes a lot of sense given there is a high probability that the 50+ pick will be a miss

 

[bird_man]

Been off the grid for a while, can someone give me a run down on if we are going to take a DFA?

Really hoping we are keen on Partington personally.

 

[bird_man]

Gherig aside,I am struggling to think of 2 players over the last 20 years that have come from another clubs main list and made a meaningful contribution on field .
yes Hamill ,but not long enough .

I can think of 3 just from Sydney