List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

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Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

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El HOSS said:
Agreed. Our poor intercepts are a reflection of a number of factors with our inconsistent pressure being one. In regard to pressure around the ball generally, we must be one of the worst teams for tackle completion. I can't support it with numbers but I feel like we have teams break ours too often. There are a few boys that hit them and stick them, but not many. We seem to have developed some really flimsy tacklers. I know Slater was helping out a few years back. Don't know what happened to him. If we fix that up and our consistency of effort, it'll go a ways to helping intercept numbers.
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There is still a bit of laziness with our side. We don't work hard enough for long enough and don't spread-run to provide options for each other. It looks like we don't like each other or play as a team. I don't know why but the lack of guys that were drafted and developed internally might explain some of it and that rubs off on the kids who develop bad habits. Last year they lived in each others pockets and played much more considerate footy.

We really need some leaders developed and drafted at the Saints to take responsibility for the pride in the jumper stuff and probably some kind of leadership and culture training. Identifying a strong brand was a big part of both GT and Ross Lyon's MO. GT had his boys who played for their father figure and he loved the club and sold them the dream.

RL had his "Saints Footy" and his bubble, all his dialogue was about controlling what you can control, shutting out external noise and playing to earn respect internally and externally. Every contest was an opportunity and players were encouraged to play for the team. It wasn't exactly the "Bloods" or some other wank but it was easily identified and achieved.

Ratts is an overseer coach, he's not as hands on as GT or RL, he sends his line coaches to do the nitty gritty work. Perhaps an external person has to come in to develop that culture shift.
 
The draft picks from our initial bottoming our and 'rebuild' have been disastrous and have set us back years, potentially a decade at least.

Not nailing the 13-14 draft picks, when we had access to pick 3 and 1 and a chance to nail two perennial AA calibre players has bought us to the position we now face. McCartin over Petracca and Billings over Bont is in the same mould as Tambling over Buddy.

2015 - arguably better. Gresh has been good, although had we retained pick 5 there was still plenty of talent available.
 
stavro#4 said:
What’s wrong with the age demographic of the list?
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It looks a mess to me. No old guys except absolute last legs stuff. Ryder, Geary, Mc Kernan, Frawley etc are at the end. Most of our middle career players are ring ins from other clubs and are a band of mercenaries developed outside and we hardly have any players under 21. To be honest it's an indictment of the last 20 years of terrible drafting that has been patched over to remain competitive. We hardly have a player left from 6 years ago and we are probably about to lose one of the few players we did draft and develop. It's pretty messy to be honest. Not catastrophic but looks like a bottom 8 side not a top 8.
 
Yawkey way said:
How many snags was it that mummy used to put away.

If Heath can win his share of hit out, take a grab and clear a path for our mids he’ll do me.
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**** the snags.

KFC and I’m injecting it straight into his veins. Sculpt the Adonis once the size is in place.
 
One 2 Roo said:
The draft picks from our initial bottoming our and 'rebuild' have been disastrous and have set us back years, potentially a decade at least.

Not nailing the 13-14 draft picks, when we had access to pick 3 and 1 and a chance to nail two perennial AA calibre players has bought us to the position we now face. McCartin over Petracca and Billings over Bont is in the same mould as Tambling over Buddy.

2015 - arguably better. Gresh has been good, although had we retained pick 5 there was still plenty of talent available.
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Probably started way before that even. Post Brendan Goddard you can really only think of Jack Steven that was a top of the tree selection, Once John Bevo went into semi retirement we never really got back on top of drafting. Usually you have a set of older players that come through to develop the younger generation. Roo and Dal etc had Harves, Leowe, Thommo and Peckett types. This generation has Geary and some ring ins like Hanners who are good leaders but they are hardly the guys you'd jump out of the trenches along side of.
 
gringo2011 said:
It looks a mess to me. No old guys except absolute last legs stuff. Ryder, Geary, Mc Kernan, Frawley etc are at the end. Most of our middle career players are ring ins from other clubs and are a band of mercenaries developed outside and we hardly have any players under 21. To be honest it's an indictment of the last 20 years of terrible drafting that has been patched over to remain competitive. We hardly have a player left from 6 years ago and we are probably about to lose one of the few players we did draft and develop. It's pretty messy to be honest. Not catastrophic but looks like a bottom 8 side not a top 8.
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Gears mckernan Carlisle probably Hanners all off the list at years end. Roberton gone already.

it looks sickeningly young and will get younger post draft. Whats the issue?
 

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One 2 Roo said:
The draft picks from our initial bottoming our and 'rebuild' have been disastrous and have set us back years, potentially a decade at least.

Not nailing the 13-14 draft picks, when we had access to pick 3 and 1 and a chance to nail two perennial AA calibre players has bought us to the position we now face. McCartin over Petracca and Billings over Bont is in the same mould as Tambling over Buddy.

2015 - arguably better. Gresh has been good, although had we retained pick 5 there was still plenty of talent available.
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There’s so many it’s a bad joke, let’s not forget we knocked back dusty as well.

I can live with doing things right and missing that’s part of drafting just not passing on the obvious for the limited or left field picks. Having said that we’ve been better lately until the Allison pick. I hope he proves us all wrong but it was still a strange call, gringos pick looks frighteningly good at collingwood.
 
Yawkey way said:
How many snags was it that mummy used to put away.

If Heath can win his share of hit outs, take a grab and clear a path for our mids he’ll do me.
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Max-imum effort as a Heath wave arrives at the Saints

St Kilda's mid-season rookie draft pick Max Heath is anything but affable on the field.
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Sounds like a competitive mongrel type. His favourite thing to do is put kids into the ground and is looking forward to putting men into the ground. Always wants to protect his teammates with his own body.
 
stavro#4 said:

Gears mckernan Carlisle probably Hanners all off the list at years end. Roberton gone already.

it looks sickeningly young and will get younger post draft. Whats the issue?
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That is the issue, there is no older brigade, no younger brigade and our middlers aren't very high end. Other than that it's fine, it just isn't a premiership list. It looks half built and like it needs another 100 games to be what we want it to be. Youth will help longer term but the list doesn't have a lot of balance to it.

We have to hope that Clark, Coffield, Paton, King, Bytel and Byrnes all come on to be what we want them to be. Pretty much all hinges on that strata all coming on to a high level over the next 2 years.
 
stavro#4 said:
I think you missed where I was going with Hanners. I don’t think he will be at the club in 2022.
Frawley will depend on depth of our KPD. However go watch what dougal says in the Frawley debut video.
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I'd rather chase a guy like Raak or Sclong with a late or rookie pick.
 
stavro#4 said:
Keen to see this.

I think we are well positioned and will look obviously better post this years draft.
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When do you think we'll be a consistent top 4 side and have you heard anything from the club as to where they think we might be regarding finals? The Dogs are the only side I can think of with such an unusual balance that has won a flag recently. it looks to me like the club is happy to not really put a time line on it because it's not as close as some might hope.
 
stavro#4 said:
Okay what about the 25 and unders?
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I did have a look at this at the same time as running the other numbers.

I can't remember the exact numbers but from memory we had less than most of the top teams including Melbourne, Richmond, Port, Bulldogs, Brisbane

Probably says we need to hit the draft hard this year as there's a clear gap that has opened up after the 2017 draft.
 
I think we were hoping to consistently play finals with what we’ve got then bank on the improvement from King, Clark, Coffield, Gresham, Higgins, Bytel, Byrnes etc to push us into flag contention. There’s still time for it all to click because our senior guys like Crouch, Steele, Ross, Membrey etc aren’t old at all.
 
So after ARR said I'm depressing and that I should send a letter to the club I took his advice and I wrote Bassat an email trying to get my point across as to what areas I thought might need working on. My 2 hours of careful well thought out and edited letter-writing didn't quite manage to get the hoped response but I still feel very privileged, the apprentice cleaner was unavailable and I just happened to get the a reasonably high profile lackey to send out the generic response email. Suck shit Joffa they love me more.

Dear Timewaster,

Thank you for your email and long term support of the club.

As you can imagine we have received a number of responses from members with feedback, concern and suggestions for the club to improve. While we want to ensure that members' sentiments are passed through to the Andrew, he isn't in a position to read the volume of emails we have received nor personally respond to them. The membership team collate all consistent feedback received across emails and phone calls and circulate that back to him in a consolidated format as was done with your email. This allows him to hear consistent themes with members' concerns as a group while still giving him the ability and time to still focus his energy in the areas that will help drive the club towards success.

We believe this to be the most efficient and effective way for him to receive feedback and thank you for sharing your concerns. As supporters and the club administration, we all want to contribute to a more successful club on-field and everything done is focussed on that outcome.

If we can be of any further assistance, please let us know.

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gringo2011 said:
When do you think we'll be a consistent top 4 side and have you heard anything from the club as to where they think we might be regarding finals? The Dogs are the only side I can think of with such an unusual balance that has won a flag recently. it looks to me like the club is happy to not really put a time line on it because it's not as close as some might hope.
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I’m dirty on the club. As a member I believed them when they said we would push for top 4 this year. Personal opinion. 2023 is when we will push the 4. Might not even play finals next year. We will be a horrifically young list.

Side note about our fortunes etc but I almost feel like the AFL gods are trying to fix our situation for us. By this I mean the following.

no one would have predicted us to finish so poorly and king to do his ACL in the same year. He was the undisputed number 1 pick prior to that knee.

the injuries this year are a huge reason we are where we are. Every chance we could get kissed on the dick again and have access to some really high end kids.
 
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