List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft Discussion

[Scorpus]

Our draft haul:

Pick 17 - Max Michalanney (matched F/S)
Pick 43 - Billy Dowling
Pick 50 - Hugh Bond

Rookie Pick 5 - Andrew McPherson

36

Andrew Mcpherson

Age

25

Ht

187cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

4.5

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

118.5

2star

D

10.5

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.5

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

4star

MG

118.5

2star

(re-listed)
Rookie Pick 21 - Paul Seedsman

11

Paul Seedsman

Age

32

Ht

190cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

10.7

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.5

4star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.2

3star

HB

7.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

14.0

5star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.6

4star

CL

1.4

4star

(re-listed)

 

[Mutineer]

As for posters sharing intel and getting mocked, you’ve been guilty of that in the past, this time you’ve got some intel and it’s, let’s protect the poster.

I shared we weren’t getting pick 2 for Crouch and I’m pretty sure you jumped in on the pile on and I was right.

Don't be pretty sure be positively sure.

 

[George Kramer]

Don't be pretty sure be positively sure.

I’m positively sure

 

[Mutineer]

I’m positively sure

Then you should have no problem providing the link which is normal practice.

 

[Mutineer]

As for posters sharing intel and getting mocked, you’ve been guilty of that in the past, this time you’ve got some intel and it’s, let’s protect the poster.

I shared we weren’t getting pick 2 for Crouch and I’m pretty sure you jumped in on the pile on and I was right.

I might add there's an ocean between TAFKATMS formerly the The Metric System and 99% of the dud Intel posted on here by the likes of the Red Equine etc.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Yep, really weird way of going into a trade period.

Now seeing next years first was up for grabs, we should have been able to retain 5, Gold Coast retain 7 and they give our 2023 first to Geelong as part of the Bowes deal. There’s no way Geelong would walk away from that.

Hell we could have swapped 5 & 7 if Gold Coast were being pricks.

There really is no excuse to have done what we done, the talk of priority is just fluff. The main trade targets for any club are the priority, but that doesn’t see them cave in so quickly.

You mentioned Reid was late in coming over to Phillipou, I’m guessing he wasn’t sold at the start of the trade period? If that’s the case and he then was prepared to offer up our 2023 first and Norths second, that’s a costly about face.

It’s time we have a change in our recruiting department, all other areas have been cleaned out except those 2.

I think there were multiple ways to pull it off, but using the unique situation with Bowes would have been the smart move.

Ultimately, it makes the trade period as a whole a bit of a fail.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

You are missing my point. I’m not saying the intel was fluff but the rationale by Reid is fluff.

Sure Rankine was our priority, just like most key trade targets. Do you hear all clubs come out and say “he’s our priority, here take our best offer” before trade period has even started?

I gave a trade scenario that any competent list manager could have got done and you know it. A way we could have got Rankine and Phillipou and not even offered a prized second rounder.

OK .....here's my take

1. The Crows could have traded with a Club EARLY to bring our F1 into this Draft, giving us potentially #5 and #8-10 .....the critical element was the timing of us doing the deal ......leave it late & Clubs have zeroed onto their preferred player .....but most importantly, Club supporters have been conditioned to getting a Christmas Present

2. It didn't happen, because the Club waited to see where Phillipou would sit in the Draft .....and by then it was too late to deal

I can understand the delaying ....I mean, who wants pick #8-10 if your target player goes earlier ......that said, if the Club had done this, that #8-10 would, should have been used on Rankine, leaving us with #5

That said ....in any pick deal, there has to be both a buyer & seller

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

The priority for Rankine was not fluff and never was as TAFKATMS I'm sure has mentioned.

People that have genuine Intel however small will become more and more reluctant to share on here will be the outcome.

I could have posted that we had shown very genuine interest in High Bond quite late in the piece though with the draft hand we held I was doubtful how we would nab him.

I'm not bullshitting because I shared it with Jeffcrowe and Danger in Texas at the time.

Rankine being the priority is beside the point, we could have gotten both.

 

[Mostyn]

You are missing my point. I’m not saying the intel was fluff but the rationale by Reid is fluff.

Sure Rankine was our priority, just like most key trade targets. Do you hear all clubs come out and say “he’s our priority, here take our best offer” before trade period has even started?

I gave a trade scenario that any competent list manager could have got done and you know it. A way we could have got Rankine and Phillipou and not even offered a prized second rounder.

JHF was Port's priority, and they didn't even end up needing to give up Georgiades.

Hell - they ultimately only gave up pick 8 and a future F1 (let's say pick 14) to get JHF AND Rioli. Everything else were just shrapnel and pick swaps.

Frankly, they did better than us, and have previously too. My god - that Wingard deal!

 

[cleanhands]

JHF was Port's priority, and they didn't even end up needing to give up Georgiades.

Hell - they ultimately only gave up pick 8 and a future F1 (let's say pick 14) to get JHF AND Rioli. Everything else were just shrapnel and pick swaps.

Frankly, they did better than us, and have previously too. My god - that Wingard deal!

It’s a habit of theirs we need to break

 

[Mutineer]

I’m positively sure

How you going with that positively sure ?

I can't recall ever saying that so I thought you might be able to jog my memory?

 

[Ruby Clydesdale]

Got a hot tip from a very reliable source that we have a trade worked out with another club, which is quite aggressive and may land us a big draft fish.

Two trade ups. Ruby comes good once again.

 

[Mutineer]

Two trade ups. Ruby comes good once again.

Got a hot tip from a very reliable source that we have a trade worked out with another club, which is quite aggressive and may land us a big draft fish.

I guess Billy is a big fish as midfielders go size wise...not sure about the aggresive bit but.

Billy Dowling Pick 43

Adelaide received Gold Coast’s Pick 43 in exchange for Pick 79 and the two clubs also agreed to swap their 2023 second and third round selections.

Hugh Bond Pick 50

The Crows traded up to secure Bond after completing a pick swap with the Brisbane Lions on Tuesday night.

Adelaide received the Lions’ Pick 50 in exchange for its future third round selection which is tied to Geelong.

 

[LoBu]

Why wouldn’t they? They get pick 5, Geelong would have taken our first next year and Bowes, no way are they walking away from that.

As for rolling over, we did, before the trade period even started.

But hey, keep defending the club’s incompetence.

Don't be so sure, Geelong was in the trade to get local boy Jye Clarke, orchestrated by AFL and Gold Coast - it was never going to go any other way once Geelong got involved.

 

[crow2crow]

JHF was Port's priority, and they didn't even end up needing to give up Georgiades.

Hell - they ultimately only gave up pick 8 and a future F1 (let's say pick 14) to get JHF AND Rioli. Everything else were just shrapnel and pick swaps.

Frankly, they did better than us, and have previously too. My god - that Wingard deal!

they lost amon too thats gonna sting more than they realise in my view

however future midfielders horne, rozzee, butters is tantalising and scary set of A graders

 

[LoBu]

JHF was Port's priority, and they didn't even end up needing to give up Georgiades.

Hell - they ultimately only gave up pick 8 and a future F1 (let's say pick 14) to get JHF AND Rioli. Everything else were just shrapnel and pick swaps.

Frankly, they did better than us, and have previously too. My god - that Wingard deal!

Pick 14 is optimistic - are you drinking the kool aid too?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It’s not always all about Port

But If Port were in the same situation as us

….. unfort they would have found a way to get Rankine and Phillipou if that’s what they really wanted to do

They’re not afraid to get aggressive with future picks

Sometimes they pay overs but they get their man , occasionally it won’t come off

Can’t remember what they did to push up to get Josh Sinn because he was their man but it involved 2 trade ups ( this is one that might not come off but too early to say )

Getting JHF and Junior Rioli (then almost using pick 33 for Esava ) without giving up a player was impressive

We could have done more and done it earlier and we would have got Rankine and Phillipou

I feel as though we only made our mind up on Phillipou when it was too late

 

[Jeffcrowe]

they lost amon too thats gonna sting more than they realise in my view

however future midfielders horne, rozzee, butters is tantalising and scary set of A graders

Amon will hurt early days but they’ve got some decent wing types like Houston , Farrell , Bergman and Sinn

It makes sense to let Amon go for list balance and salary balance

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Amon will hurt early days but they’ve got some decent wing types like Houston , Farrell , Bergman and Sinn

It makes sense to let Amon go for list balance and salary balance

Even in a year, Port are supposedly back in flag contention .....I agree longterm the above are better options, just seems Port could have done with Amon's experience in 2023

 

[bigman]

Jacob Ryan’s brother is a going to be a star. Left footer who plays tall for his size and has class written all over him. Plays half back but has that afl quality about him. Will go early I have no doubt

 

[bigman]

Probably should be in 2023 thread

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Jacob Ryan’s brother is a going to be a star. Left footer who plays tall for his size and has class written all over him. Plays half back but has that afl quality about him. Will go early I have no doubt

How tall ?

Patton is also very good in this role would love him to get to our north 2nd rounder

 

[bigman]

Not sure 178 to 180cm but just guessing

 

[Mutineer]

Not sure 178 to 180cm but just guessing

Bodie?

Reckon he's a bit taller than that without looking? Rangey type too..

 

[WaynesWorld19]

So Caleb Poulter didn't find a home in the Rookie Draft .... does he find his way back to Sth Aust ?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

So Caleb Poulter didn't find a home in the Rookie Draft .... does he find his way back to Sth Aust ?

Good point

Eagles or VFL maybe ?