List Mgmt. 2022 List Management and trading thread

[Scorpus]

I saw this format on the West Coast board and thought it might help understand our current list position

 

[AFC979810]

Darcy Fogarty and Oscar Allen AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Fogarty and Oscar Allen AFL Stats Comparison.

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It also shows how crappy our development is. OA has got 19 more games, almost a whole season ahead of Fog

Crappy development? For a KPP? FFS its the one strength of our club.

You can have a crack at the Adelaide Football Club for many many things. Developing key position players aint one of em.

If the tubby fella could run out a game - maybe he would have been able to play more than 10 games per year in his first 3 seasons.

 

[Cap]

Crappy development? For a KPP? FFS its the one strength of our club.

You can have a crack at the Adelaide Football Club for many many things. Developing key position players aint one of em.

If the tubby fella could run out a game - maybe he would have been able to play more than 10 games per year in his first 3 seasons.

Yes, I mean we are relying on a 31 KPF on his last legs because our development of KPF has been so elite.

 

[Bearded Clam]

You remember his first match.
To be fair, he's not as bad now.

ROB is shit.

 

[maxlilly]

Silvers said in his member presentation that we were looking at mature aged players now.

I wonder who they would be looking at.

The club is delusional if they think we have enough good young talent that we should be looking at mature aged players now.
We need to be going strong at the draft for a couple more years yet before we start thinking about that.
We need a few more like Thilly and Rachele to have a core squad that will get even close to contending in the future

 

[Thetrader15]

Darcy Fogarty and Oscar Allen AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Fogarty and Oscar Allen AFL Stats Comparison.

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It also shows how crappy our development is. OA has got 19 more games, almost a whole season ahead of Fog

That's not development, that's selection policy.

 

[AFC979810]

Yes, I mean we are relying on a 31 KPF on his last legs because our development of KPF has been so elite.

You are in for a fun treat when you look at the state of the rest of the list!!!!!!

 

[DJ75]

The club is delusional if they think we have enough good young talent that we should be looking at mature aged players now.
We need to be going strong at the draft for a couple more years yet before we start thinking about that.
We need a few more like Thilly and Rachele to have a core squad that will get even close to contending in the future

The club is convinced we have enough talent to get back in to the top 8. That is the priority and aim. Nothing has changed. Jameson made it clear in his puff piece before the election.

 

[maxlilly]

The club is convinced we have enough talent to get back in to the top 8. That is the priority and aim. Nothing has changed. Jameson made it clear in his puff piece before the election.

Not the old playbook of, if we make the 8, anything can happen
Maybe they need to have a look at the talent that some other rebuilding clubs have.
Jameson typifies the perception of "Boys Club' appointments at the club with his newly elected board seat

 

[Bearded Clam]

Crappy development? For a KPP? FFS its the one strength of our club.

You can have a crack at the Adelaide Football Club for many many things. Developing key position players aint one of em.

If the tubby fella could run out a game - maybe he would have been able to play more than 10 games per year in his first 3 seasons.

The develoment of our Kpps in the past has been good.. prior to 2017

The last few years though..

The three dunces in Pyke, Hass and Burton with the help of morons like Hart… havent exactly helped Fogarty’s cause in those crucial first two years he started at the club.

These morons decided to overlook Fog in favour of;

-tex walker who was so underdone and injured that for two years he tried to mark an overhead footy with one hand (because he couldnt raise two at the same time)
-a bloke in Josh jenkins who had lost all faith in the club to the point where he was actively leaking info against it
- and a constantly injured and underdone Tom Lynch.

In 2019 it even got to the point that Pykes complete and utter mismanagement of the Fog saw these three players be selected week in week out in front of the fog whilst the fog PLAYED IN ****ING DEFENSE IN THE SANFL FFS!..

Thats how utterly insane the first two years of the Fogs time at the club was mismanaged by the incompetent flogs pyke, hass, burton and hart.

No wonder his development stalled!.

Since 2020 we’ve seen some improvement in the Fog but, and I hate to make too many excuses for him because he also definitely needs to take some responsibility for his current position, lets not pretend the fog is on the end of some fine delivery from our midfield in the past two years..

No.. He’s had to instead deal with the absolute garbage delivery into the adelaide forward line, he’s trying to be a KPF in, from the worst midfeild combo in the comp..

Most of the time the ball is delivered into this forward line by rushed kicks that go half way to the ****n moon before they come down to land in the forward 50!.

Just how the **** is a forward meant to develop well with that horseshit?..

 

[kick it to me_]

I think I'd we go after rankin and keep our first rounder for Lemmey.

Get a key fwd, Rachele can rotate into midfield and Rankin plays fwd.

Get your elite mid and key fwd.

Schoenberg, Rachele, Dawson, Soglio, Pedlar.

Midfield Starts to take shape.



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[rocket18]

So you must think not one of Harry Schoenberg, Jordan Dawson, Lachlan Sholl, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Brayden Cook, Josh Rachele, Luke Nankervis, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor or maybe even Chayce Jones or Jackson Hately can ever become A grade AFL midfielders? I'm a bit more optimistic than you obviously.

Hopefully one or two can make it to "A" grade.

But I'm more concerned about them getting a fair crack in the midfield (not stuck on the HFF) so we can actually find out where their ceiling is.

I think deep down we all know Nicks starting midfield will consist of Laird, Crouch, Keays and Sloane - with the odd Schoenberg appearance (if he's lucky).

Thats just how we roll, the youngsters have to "earn" their time in the midfield - this is code for the senior players are unavailable.

Hell, we even prioritised an injured Sloane and Keays with a busted hand rather than give meaningful midfield minutes to the next generation.


Edit: Coach change!!

 

[Mutineer]

Hopefully one or two can make it to "A" grade.

But I'm more concerned about them getting a fair crack in the midfield (not stuck on the HFF) so we can actually find out where their ceiling is.

I think deep down we all know Pykey starting midfield will consist of Laird, Crouch, Keays and Sloane - with the odd Schoenberg appearance (if he's lucky).

Thats just how we roll, the youngsters have to "earn" their time in the midfield - this is code for the senior players are unavailable.

Hell, we even prioritised an injured Sloane and Keays with a busted hand rather than give meaningful midfield minutes to the next generation.

Pykey's gone mate...

 

[Scorpus]

Hopefully one or two can make it to "A" grade.

But I'm more concerned about them getting a fair crack in the midfield (not stuck on the HFF) so we can actually find out where their ceiling is.

I think deep down we all know Pykey starting midfield will consist of Laird, Crouch, Keays and Sloane - with the odd Schoenberg appearance (if he's lucky).

Thats just how we roll, the youngsters have to "earn" their time in the midfield - this is code for the senior players are unavailable.

Hell, we even prioritised an injured Sloane and Keays with a busted hand rather than give meaningful midfield minutes to the next generation.

Oh man I forgot about us playing Sloane with a broken hand to help us into our bottom 4 position

 

[rocket18]

Pykey's gone mate...

LOL, that was a Freudian slip!!

 

[JennyTalia]

It's definitely an area of interest, but do we really want the outcome of our rebuild to be a key position forward, a small forward (and part time mid) and another key forward?
We desperately need an ELITE mid.

You are correct. I'm more familiar with lemmey than the young mid crop so far. If there is a standout young mid at our pick then it'd be very hard to say no.

Lots to play out yet

 

[Cap]

You are in for a fun treat when you look at the state of the rest of the list!!!!!!

We are unders for Mids as well, no doubt

 

[Mutineer]

We are unders for Mids as well, no doubt

We're really not, I posted the list on the previous page, we have plenty, the question is if some can become A graders.

Harry Schoenberg, Jordan Dawson, Lachlan Sholl, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Brayden Cook, Josh Rachele, Luke Nankervis, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor or maybe even Chayce Jones or Jackson Hately can ever become A grade AFL midfielders?

 

[beartoo]

So you must think not one of Harry Schoenberg, Jordan Dawson, Lachlan Sholl, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Brayden Cook, Josh Rachele, Luke Nankervis, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor or maybe even Chayce Jones or Jackson Hately can ever become A grade AFL midfielders? I'm a bit more optimistic than you obviously.

Of all the players you mention I'm confident about Harry. The others are all maybes. A grade, B or C, who knows?
A few on your list may not play midfield and Hately looks a bust at this stage.
I do hope both Berry and Pedlar will become good mids. Whether they hit the heights time will tell


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[Mutineer]

Of all the players you mention I'm confident about Harry. The others are all maybes. A grade, B or C, who knows?
A few on your list may not play midfield and Hately looks a bust at this stage.
I do hope both Berry and Pedlar will become good mids. Whether they hit the heights time will tell


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Don't be discounting Rachele, Cook or Nankervis' potential to be top class mids....Dawson is probably already there and has many years of service to come.

 

[Cap]

We're really not, I posted the list on the previous page, we have plenty, the question is if some can become A graders.

Harry Schoenberg, Jordan Dawson, Lachlan Sholl, Luke Pedlar, Sam Berry, Brayden Cook, Josh Rachele, Luke Nankervis, Jake Soligo, Zac Taylor or maybe even Chayce Jones or Jackson Hately can ever become A grade AFL midfielders?

That's true.

But at this point none are. I do hope however by seasons end some of those on the list are

 

[AFC979810]

We are unders for Mids as well, no doubt

And key position defenders. Over 193cm we have Butts (24), McAsey (10), Murray (10), Frampton (18), Worrell (1), Borlase (0).

Lord help us if Butts goes down.

 

[Mego Red]

That's true.

But at this point none are. I do hope however by seasons end some of those on the list are

Well, whoever we take in the draft won't immediately be elite either.

 

[WeeBlake]

And key position defenders. Over 193cm we have Butts (24), McAsey (10), Murray (10), Frampton (18), Worrell (1), Borlase (0).

Lord help us if Butts goes down.

We have too many KPDs, the problem is that aside from butts none of them are good enough yet, but they might end up ok because they’re all inexperienced.

Our mids problem is different - we have heaps of kids, one of whom looks a probable a grader, but we also have an established set of older mids who are on good money but who are not good enough to compete with the great midfields.

Our kpd kids will get heaps of experience because there’s no one in front of them. Our kid mids will have less opportunities.

(I guess this is the point many of us have been banging on about endlessly in every other thread.)

 

[ams4crows]

I think I'd we go after rankin and keep our first rounder for Lemmey.

Get a key fwd, Rachele can rotate into midfield and Rankin plays fwd.

Get your elite mid and key fwd.

Schoenberg, Rachele, Dawson, Soglio, Pedlar.

Midfield Starts to take shape.



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Agree, list management need to understand we have a alot of mids on the list already, they keep picking half back flankers or half forward flankers and hope they turn into good mids, which is probably a poor strategy but we haven't really had access to any elite calibre mids in the draft.

I definately feel our 1st should be going to a tall forward particularly if lemmey is on the board.

Also not sure why we haven't tried Worrell in the forward line.

 

[Moe Ron]

Don't be discounting Rachele, Cook or Nankervis' potential to be top class mids....Dawson is probably already there and has many years of service to come.

I know it's early days but I'm keen on Nankervis