Rumour 2023 Rumours and Speculation (Rumours total 33!, 1 BIG FISH ALERT last October 4th) (7 confirmed! 11 Busted!)

[Cap]

I think the Tasmanian stadium will get up.

So I agree, stay away from Tassie

 

[MRB37]

Apparently the offer from Brisbane for Doedee is 3 years with a games played trigger for the 4th year.

So I suspect he's gone if we don't budge from a 2 year deal.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Apparently the offer from Brisbane for Doedee is 3 years with a games played trigger for the 4th year.

So I suspect he's gone if we don't budge from a 2 year deal.

Can Brisbane do their trick they did with Daniher?

We might need it.

 

[arrowman]

Was there ever any discussion around where he would have gone if available to the whole league?

Based on what we know now, or what we knew then?

For the record, here is the top 15 in the 2007 draft:

1 Matthew Kruezer

2 Trent Cotchin

3 Chris Masten

4 Cale Morton

5 Jarrad Grant

6 David Myers

7 Rhys Palmer

8 Lachie Henderson

9 Ben McEvoy

10 Patrick Dangerfield

11 Patrick Veszpremi

12 Cyril Rioli

13 Brad Ebert

14 Jack Grimes

15 Robbie Tarrant

Not a bad bunch actually, a few misses but not bad overall. Based on what we know now, I think you could comfortably slot Tex into that top 15, if not top 10, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Based on what we knew then, maybe not so much.

 

[Crow till I die]

Apparently the offer from Brisbane for Doedee is 3 years with a games played trigger for the 4th year.

So I suspect he's gone if we don't budge from a 2 year deal.

Smells like 2nd round compo incoming based on that

 

[Betts are off]

Was going to mention that. Offers we simply won't be able to match.

The AFL aren't going to want every team staying away from Tasmanian players between now and 2028 because the list managers fully expecting a mass walk out in 4 seasons time. That would be worst case scenario for the Tassie team, and a disaster for the AFL.

I assume there is already a fairly juicy compo package for teams who take Tasmanian player being discussed to keep recruiters interested. Otherwise you are 100% right, you simply would take the non Tassie player at every selection.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

I vaguely remember the story on this board at the time being that Tex was a crows fan and wanted to play for us but we were lukewarm. Collingwood tried to sign him up to their scholarship program and Tex basically recruited us, rather than vice versa.

Everyone was pretty excited about him at the time, it's not just hindsight, there was a lot of hype on this board. He kicked a bag in the senior Broken Hill grand final in his last game before he was drafted.

Looking at that top 15 above you couldn't seriously put him outside the top 5. Dangerfield probably goes 1. I'd have Tex 2, but you could make an argument for Cotchin or Cyril. Kreuzer would be up there as well if his body didn't let him down.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I vaguely remember the story on this board at the time being that Tex was a crows fan and wanted to play for us but we were lukewarm. Collingwood tried to sign him up to their scholarship program and Tex basically recruited us, rather than vice versa.

Everyone was pretty excited about him at the time, it's not just hindsight, there was a lot of hype on this board. He kicked a bag in the senior Broken Hill grand final in his last game before he was drafted.

Looking at that top 15 above you couldn't seriously put him outside the top 5. Dangerfield probably goes 1. I'd have Tex 2, but you could make an argument for Cotchin or Cyril. Kreuzer would be up there as well if his body didn't let him down.

I remember the days of coming on here reading about how Tex went in Broken Hill that week.

Think his team were the Bulldogs.

 

[MRB37]

Smells like 2nd round compo incoming based on that

I don't think the AFL take into account trigger based clauses in FA compensation, Jake Kelly took a 3 year deal at the Bombers and that got us a 3rd round pick, so I suspect it'll be the same for Doods.

Kelly's last year with us vs Doods this year very similar.

 

[Crow till I die]

I don't think the AFL take into account trigger based clauses in FA compensation, Jake Kelly took a 3 year deal at the Bombers and that got us a 3rd round pick, so I suspect it'll be the same for Doods.

Kelly's last year with us vs Doods this year very similar.

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Maybe...I suspect Doodee might get a bit more money than Kelly..just a hunch

 

[MRB37]

Maybe...I suspect Doodee might get a bit more money than Kelly..just a hunch

I don't think it'll be significantly more coming off of 2 ACL's. At this point I get the feeling Doods is just looking for length rather than per year dollars because like the situation Brad Crouch was in, one more bad injury and he may be having trouble getting his career back going again.

 

[George Kramer]

Not only free passage, but I would guess they will make it in the financial interest of Tasmanian players to move back too.

And compo will be crap.

Maybe Hamish is working on the theory if we have a heap of Tassie boys they can’t take them all.

I don't think the AFL take into account trigger based clauses in FA compensation, Jake Kelly took a 3 year deal at the Bombers and that got us a 3rd round pick, so I suspect it'll be the same for Doods.

Kelly's last year with us vs Doods this year very similar.

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Depends on the money, reckon Dude will be paid more than Kelly

 

[Betts are off]

And compo will be crap.

Maybe Hamish is working on the theory if we have a heap of Tassie boys they can’t take them all.

Depends on the money, reckon Dude will be paid more than Kelly

I'm curious, why do you think the compo would be crap? If these guys are going to get overs to go back then it stands to reason that the Compo would be overs too.

As I mentioned above, the very last thing the AFL would want is 18 list managers to completely disregard selecting Tassie players for 4 years before they introduce the team.

TBH I think it would be in the AFL's best interest to make the compo a real carrot for list managers between then and now. To the point where they can build 4 year list strategies around it. Thats the only way I see the next 4 years not being a trainwreck for football in Tasmania.

 

[maxlilly]

I don't think the AFL take into account trigger based clauses in FA compensation, Jake Kelly took a 3 year deal at the Bombers and that got us a 3rd round pick, so I suspect it'll be the same for Doods.

Kelly's last year with us vs Doods this year very similar.

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A very interesting comparison
Stats look very similar
Who would have thought Kelly with more metres gained than Dodes

 

[jackster83]

Not only free passage, but I would guess they will make it in the financial interest of Tasmanian players to move back too.

Callinan's son might be the exception.

I'd be annoyed if North Melbourne get rights to him as an NGA.

 

[Amacca 23]

Smells like 2nd round compo incoming based on that

Why not band 1 if its a 3 year deal will depend on dollar amount wont it ?

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[Peter Doherty]

Why not band 1 if its a 3 year deal will depend on dollar amount wont it ?

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That's a little optimistic.

 

[jenny61_99]

And compo will be crap.

Maybe Hamish is working on the theory if we have a heap of Tassie boys they can’t take them all.

Depends on the money, reckon Dude will be paid more than Kelly

With a bung knee?

 

[Crow till I die]

That's a little optimistic.

Although in fairness daniher barely kicked a ball for 4 years and still somehow essendon were engineered band 1 compo. But as its us and our player...aim low with expectations and expect to still miss where it lands by having expectations too high

 

[Samcro24]

Of course we are looking at Tassie players. We are that dumb as a club.

Defenders too

 

[George Kramer]

With a bung knee?

Fair point, but I think the money would have to be decent to entice him

 

[Viva la Mattner]

From previous good source , don’t be surprised if we trade out some draft collateral for Brennan Cox

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Brennan Cox

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

182.8

3star

D

12.3

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.0

2star

MG

182.8

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

as a pre agent

 

[Peter Doherty]

From previous good source , don’t be surprised if we trade out some draft collateral for Brennan Cox as a pre agent

It's scary what I've read some Freo fans want for him.

 

[Crow till I die]

From previous good source , don’t be surprised if we trade out some draft collateral for Brennan Cox as a pre agent

when you say trade out for him as a pre agent - you mean a straight trade into next year?

 

[Large 1]

I don't think the AFL take into account trigger based clauses in FA compensation, Jake Kelly took a 3 year deal at the Bombers and that got us a 3rd round pick, so I suspect it'll be the same for Doods.

Kelly's last year with us vs Doods this year very similar.

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This is the great scam of the AFL free agency. To match a RFA bid you need to match all trigger clauses, but compensation is only based on the base contract, excluding the trigger clauses. This is what stuffed us with B Crouch.

For example if you offer a player $300k per year over three years, with a trigger for $1m in their 4th year if they play 1 game over the first 3 years. Then compo is worked out on the $900k deal not the $1.9m deal. But you need to match the $1.9m deal under the free agency rules.