List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

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Spoiler: 2023 Draft Order

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[puppy_dog7]

cry me a flipping river Bell-end.

You don't think we've invested as much if not more in Nick Coffield?

 

[gringo2011]

Played 152 games of AFL football and is a bust?
You blokes are off your heads.

Every player that is not a champion must be a bust then. Hilarious.


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He's a fail because he cost a top 3 pick and has never been a consistent high level player. If he'd been a pick 45 he's probably a win but he wasn't. We are trying to give him away offering to pay his wage and he has no takers. We had him look around when he reached FA and no-one wanted him. To me that's a bust.

 

[Joffaboy]

Gee whiz mate.

My first post went through every trade and draft period that SOS was at Carlton for. I don’t rate him, could be a ripping bloke.

Carlton had just finished 18th when they gambled a future 1st to get pick 19, utterly bizarre stuff and cowboy list management.

Keep going.

No, this has run it's course, you seem a bit emotional and upset.
I don't care what your other posts were ( which I saw was picked apart by another poster), just you attacking two Saints players to prove some point about SOS and how bad he is (which has been done to death, for us he has got that terrible bust Stocker, and a worst than bust because he couldn't even get selected Caminiti).

Worryingly he is getting another Carlton play which looks like a pattern.

I will hold my ignorant cynicism until he actually ***** up a trade or draft. What ever happened to giving a bloke a go before completely tearing him to shreds?





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[Joffaboy]

He's a fail because he cost a top 3 pick and has never been a consistent high level player. If he'd been a pick 45 he's probably a win but he wasn't. We are trying to give him away offering to pay his wage and he has no takers. We had him look around when he reached FA and no-one wanted him. To me that's a bust.

So the word fail and bust are interchangeable now? He isn't a bust as Punter pointed out.
But you are correct definitely a fail for a no.3.

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[gringo2011]

So the word fail and bust are interchangeable now? He isn't a bust as Punter pointed out.
But you are correct definitely a fail for a no.3.

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Okay he's a bust as a number three pick then. He hasn't worked out what ever he is.

 

[saint66au]

Looking like the Gresh offer won't be announced today. Dolorous strikes again

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[BrotherofChunk]

appreciate we are in the throws of waiting to burn AFL house down over where the compo pick ends up, but has there been any more news on skunk? I read somewhere that there were serious concerns of if he'd play again. appears a distinct lack of talk around a replacement for him which is obviously best case scenario. Anyone in the know have any further info (not at all looking for gossip - and appreciate his recovery takes priority - just wondering if its something that is being discussed / considered or still too early to tell).

 

[Joffaboy]

I am really glad it has finally been acknowledged that Fremantle is the only AFL club that builds up their players, helps them with injuries and puts work into them.

These guys are so far ahead of the curve when it comes to management of footballers that the rest of the competition should be embarrassed.

Obviously it will have to be pick 12 and the Gres compo for Liam now.

Seriously though, there is something seriously wrong with their culture. Everytime I hear someone from that club they are sounding like victims, they talk about 'the East' like some little provincial hayseed with the stereotypical inferiority complex. They need to get their small man syndrome out of their culture.

I never get that same feeling from WCE.

 

[kernelT]

No, this has run it's course, you seem a bit emotional and upset.
I don't care what your other posts were ( which I saw was picked apart by another poster), just you attacking two Saints players to prove some point about SOS and how bad he is (which has been done to death, for us he has got that terrible bust Stocker, and a worst than bust because he couldn't even get selected Caminiti).

Worryingly he is getting another Carlton play which looks like a pattern.

I will hold my ignorant cynicism until he actually utensils up a trade or draft. What ever happened to giving a bloke a go before completely tearing him to shreds?





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You seem like a campaigner.

"Attacking two saints players" FMD

 

[Joffaboy]

Okay he's a bust as a number three pick then. He hasn't worked out what ever he is.

I suppose it just semantics. Whichever way we look at it, every Saints supporter will agree Billings has been a disappointment for the no he went in the draft.

 

[BrotherofChunk]

Also relative to the pick 3 is JB a bust convo.

history of Pick 3's for relativity.
2013 - JB
2014 - Angus Brayshaw

10

Angus Brayshaw

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

2015 - Callum Mills

14

Callum Mills

Age

27

Ht

188cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.6

3star

D

18.4

4star

K

11.5

4star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

3.4

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

2.8

5star

CL

1.2

4star

(Academy) Pick 4 Clayton Oliver

13

Clayton Oliver

Age

27

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

2016 - Hugh McCluggage

6

Hugh Mccluggage

Age

26

Ht

187cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.3

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.2

4star

D

19.0

4star

K

12.0

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.0

4star

D

13.2

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

CL

0.6

3star

2017 - Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

2018 - Izak Rankin
2019 - Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

From that list it would be hard pressed to argue that JB and Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

haven't had the smallest impact on their team and league. Does that make them a bust? depends on your definition I guess - but I think it would be hard to argue that JB has had the same relative impact as any of the others.

 

[Joffaboy]

You seem like a campaigner.

"Attacking two saints players" FMD

Ok mate, take a breath, it's only footy, calm down.

 

[Barrels]

He's a fail because he cost a top 3 pick and has never been a consistent high level player. If he'd been a pick 45 he's probably a win but he wasn't. We are trying to give him away offering to pay his wage and he has no takers. We had him look around when he reached FA and no-one wanted him. To me that's a bust.

As far as a Pick 3 goes, he’s about middle of the pack.

Some guns. Some dross. He’s neither.

 

[MordySaint]

SOS got us Caminiti.

He gets huge credits in the bank for that.

We wouldn't have played finals if his son hadn't spilled the beans to Dad that an unknown was giving their future B&F a bath at practice.

 

[Silkie]

Please just announce Gresham already and save us from beating the dead horse that is Pick 3: Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

29

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

 

[Barrels]

Also relative to the pick 3 is JB a bust convo.

history of Pick 3's for relativity.
2013 - JB
2014 - Angus Brayshaw
2015 - Callum Mills (Academy) Pick 4 Clayton Oliver
2016 - Hugh McCluggage
2017 - Paddy Dow
2018 - Izak Rankin
2019 - Luke Jackson


From that list it would be hard pressed to argue that JB and Paddy Dow haven't had the smallest impact on their team and league. Does that make them a bust? depends on your definition I guess - but I think it would be hard to argue that JB has had the same relative impact as any of the others.

I notice you left out…

Colin Sylvia
Chris Masten
Jared Brennan
Lachie Hansen
Xavier Ellis
Stephen Hill
Dom Tyson
Sam Day,
and Lachie Plowman

Didn’t suit the narrative?

 

[Joffaboy]

Please just announce Gresham already and save us from beating the dead horse that is Pick 3: Jack Billings

It has been announced that we are getting Jack Billings as compo

 

[Bertha]

That sounds like a "you" problem and not a "me" problem

 

[SaintTwitch]

Has Tom Jonas nominated us yet?

 

[BrotherofChunk]

I notice you left out…

Colin Sylvia
Chris Masten
Jared Brennan
Lachie Hansen
Xavier Ellis
Stephen Hill
Dom Tyson
Sam Day,
and Lachie Plowman

Didn’t suit the narrative?

not at all Barrels - you might note that I chose to focus on the relativity of players still in the league over the period JB has played. Probably much the same as how i wouldnt compare a 2013 model car to a 2003 model such is sylvia.

interesting to note that eliis and masten are all premiership players. you reckon they were less of a player than pea heart JB?

 

[Barrels]

interesting to note that eliis, brennan and masten are all premiership players. you reckon they were less of a player than pea heart JB?

Comfortably, or at the very least, statistically equivalent (Masten).

And you betray your bias with the last line.

 

[Joffaboy]

Has Tom Jonas nominated us yet?

AFL has announced he is the Gres compo

 

[Diehard Saint]

Anyone got a tissue for me?

 

[phantom13]

Peter ****ing Bell man. Imagine if his wife left him if he carries on like this when a player wants to leave.

 

[kernelT]

JB already removed from footywire as a saint, bit rough.

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