List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Floating Doughnut]

Not convinced Draper is an upgrade on ROB. Would argue he is the most like for like unco player in the league.

Would be a very hard pass from me


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I would like a change from Rob but not for Draper.
If half the personalities in here calling for him had to watch him for a year this place would explode.
Incredibly frustrating 1/10 brilliant to average ratio and goes missing for long periods. Imo.

 

[GreyCrow]

I mean, I would assume it's inarguable that our lack of experience has in some way contributed to our results this year.

And they obviously know that, judging by their off season efforts to bring in mature first 18 players.

Seems a strange thing to argue about.

Im not sure this fits the clubs narrative early in the year when they said all we needed was to hit the trade hard and we would do so aggressively

Zero Hanger June https://www.zerohanger.com/five-trade-targets-for-every-afl-team-adelaide-crows-151516/

Adelaide have flagged they'll be aggressive in their recruitment approach come the 2024 trade and free agency period as they look to take the next step toward premiership contention.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2024/02...sive-trade-period-approach-to-continue-after/

Tim Silvers in February

“We got Chris Burgess in as a bit of key position depth and we’ll be aggressive over the next 12 months and hopefully top up our list, but internally we do think we’ve got the makings of a terrific list.

“We’ve got some terrific young players. We’ve got some kids who are developing and we hope they can take the next step and hopefully hurdle us towards finals.”

 

[Carmo]

So that’s a “I can’t refute I’ll deflect”

I was just trying to bring a bit of humor to the board.

Oh don't worry though I'll be back to school you muppets on the rest of those laughable claims.

 

[ABAB]

I should also note that removing Sloane from Adelaide's list (given that he retired without playing a game) significantly reduces both our average age & experience, compared to the Draft Guru list.

Removing Sloane from the list reduces our average age from 24.2 to 24.0 years, and our average experience from 58.8 games per player to just 54.4.

Only Norf have a list which is both younger & less experienced.

And Smith, it would have been better if he didn't "play" the first half of the season after that first round against GCS further reducing the average age.

 

[Dangarman]

IMO our biggest list issue is the 100 game gap we've had for years - only 2-3 players spanning 100 games.
R2 2024 Keays (114) to Laird (225) - 111 game difference (had Crouch on 144 in between)
R1 2023 Keays (91) to Laird (203) - 112 game difference.
R1 2022 Keays (69) to Brown (179) - 110 game (also had Crouch)

Lately IMO we've brought (and bought!) a lot of players in, and managed to retain most of them. ANB will reduce that void nicely.
Cumming, Rankine, Milera and Jones will hopefully hit the 100 game milestone this year, and the 50-150 game spread will be a lot more even.

I can see us fielding 10+ 100 game players in R1 2025. I suspect that may be a first for Nicks.

 

[Danger in Texas]

For us to make a meaningful step forward, we need to actually develop some players into A graders (and a support cast of B graders). We relied heavily on Tex, Laird, etc and now they are all just about done.

We know about the drafts that didn't work out (2015-19) and that is hurting us, but we seem to have done well from 2021 onwards. Hopefully Max, Worrell, Soligo, Rachele, Taylor, Curtin and Thilthorpe take big steps forward next year.

We need at least two of those guys to become A-graders next year to make a significant jump, IMO (i.e. Thilthorpe 50 goals and Soligo 28 touches a game). As well as continued development from the 2022 and beyond guys

Having Nicks will still put a cap on what we can become while he's here, but I'm still very hopeful for the medium-to-long term, as long as green shoots from the draftees of the last five years continue to show

 

[Crow till I die]

We need at least two of those guys to become A-graders next year to make a significant jump, IMO (i.e. Thilthorpe 50 goals and Soligo 28 touches a game). As well as continued development from the 2022 and beyond guys

Having Nicks will still put a cap on what we can become while he's here, but I'm still very hopeful for the medium-to-long term, as long as green shoots from the draftees of the last five years continue to show

Nicks and Burns?

 

[bonehilda]

I can see us fielding 10+ 100 game players in R1 2025. I suspect that may be a first for Nicks.

Given the quality of some of our 100+ gamers I’d be hoping for a few less than 10

Walker 278 games
Smith 262 games
Laird 247 games (wishful thinking)
Neal-Bullen 176 games
Crouch 158 games
Keays 136 games
Dawson 131 games
O'Brien 121 games
Murphy 115 games
Fogarty 102 games

 

[whattagun07]

So bris win the flag and will end up with the best kid in the draft.
'Equalisation' at its finest.

 

[huludicidal]

So bris win the flag and will end up with the best kid in the draft.
'Equalisation' at its finest.

Not sure we can hang shit on the AFL for the excellent performance of Ex-Lion sperm.

The father/son rule is great IMO. 90s and 00s Crow sperm? Historically awful to this point.

 

[crow2crow]

Not sure we can hang shit on the AFL for the excellent performance of Ex-Lion sperm.

The father/son rule is great IMO. 90s and 00s Crow sperm? Historically awful to this point.

thank god for sanfl sperm

 

[rabidcrow]

IMO our biggest list issue is the 100 game gap we've had for years - only 2-3 players spanning 100 games.
R2 2024 Keays (114) to Laird (225) - 111 game difference (had Crouch on 144 in between)
R1 2023 Keays (91) to Laird (203) - 112 game difference.
R1 2022 Keays (69) to Brown (179) - 110 game (also had Crouch)

Lately IMO we've brought (and bought!) a lot of players in, and managed to retain most of them. ANB will reduce that void nicely.
Cumming, Rankine, Milera and Jones will hopefully hit the 100 game milestone this year, and the 50-150 game spread will be a lot more even.

I can see us fielding 10+ 100 game players in R1 2025. I suspect that may be a first for Nicks.

The least few years we have only had 6-8 players with 100plus games on the list. This year that number finally got up to 9 on the list. A number of teams play 13-16 each week!


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[George Kramer]

I was just trying to bring a bit of humor to the board.

Oh don't worry though I'll be back to school you muppets on the rest of those laughable claims.

Nah, but get the muppet Mostyn to give you a hand, if all fails you’ve got his velvet jacket

 

[AFC979810]

I can see us fielding 10+ 100 game players in R1 2025. I suspect that may be a first for Nicks.

The last time Nicks had 10+ 100game players he went 0-13 to start the season.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

ANB + Cumming won't make us more experienced because they'll replace Murphy and Smith. 115 games inc. 17 this season; 262 games inc. 15 this season respectively.

Tex phased out over 12 months replaced by...? Welsh? T Murray? Younger again.

We've slowly realised that the likes of Taylor and Dowling are more value than Jones, McHenry. More inexperienced again.

ROB upgraded at some point for an inexperienced 2nd ruck we poach from another club.

Has Laird got a starting 22 spot in 12 months time? Or replaced by a recent draftee?

We'll get progressively younger.

We haven't actually been building anything. There's no vision of a future premiership 22 that we've been working towards. If we win the team stays the same. If we lose then whoever has been training well comes in. Youth gets a crack when there's an injury in their exact position.

 

[crow2crow]

ANB + Cumming won't make us more experienced because they'll replace Murphy and Smith. 115 games inc. 17 this season; 262 games inc. 15 this season respectively.

Tex phased out over 12 months replaced by...? Welsh? T Murray? Younger again.

We've slowly realised that the likes of Taylor and Dowling are more value than Jones, McHenry. More inexperienced again.

ROB upgraded at some point for an inexperienced 2nd ruck we poach from another club.

Has Laird got a starting 22 spot in 12 months time? Or replaced by a recent draftee?

We'll get progressively younger.

We haven't actually been building anything. There's no vision of a future premiership 22 that we've been working towards. If we win the team stays the same. If we lose then whoever has been training well comes in. Youth gets a crack when there's an injury in their exact position.

youre right but the only alternative would be a moneyball style acquisition of older players and thats been shown not to work in AFL
you need A grade talent

 

[whattagun07]

Given we decided to keep Keane and Berry (no draft capital incoming for them) I think we should be looking to trade Milera. Would any team consider their 2nd for Milera and a pick?
Maybe Freo (if they miss out on Baker) 27 for Milera and 42?
Is that complete fantasy?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

youre right but the only alternative would be a moneyball style acquisition of older players and thats been shown not to work in AFL
you need A grade talent

We haven't done that either

We haven't done really done anything

Just fronted up each year hoping to go better

 

[crow2crow]

We haven't done that either

We haven't done really done anything

Just fronted up each year hoping to go better

yeh you get the feeling with our list mgt its evolution not revolution

all driven by this many of this kind, that many of that kind but no overarching plan as to how the list will win as a whole.

for example brisbane have the best list across all lines even if not the best in any one line. lots of injuries but were able to cope due to their depth

 

[Danger in Texas]

Given we decided to keep Keane and Berry (no draft capital incoming for them) I think we should be looking to trade Milera. Would any team consider their 2nd for Milera and a pick?
Maybe Freo (if they miss out on Baker) 27 for Milera and 42?
Is that complete fantasy?

It's fantasy this year as he'll back himself to get back into the side

End of 2025, when he's OOC and if he's been relegated to depth, something might click though

 

[1970crow]

GWS are definitely going to get two end of 1st round compensation picks for Cumming and Perryman.If we rate Peatling and Dodson high enough i'd be going to GWS and trading our Future 1st to them for Peatling and one of their End of 1st rounders...

Cumming will get them band 1, we paid near $1m.

 

[crow2crow]

Cumming will get them band 1, we paid near $1m.

no we didn't

 

[crow2crow]

GWS are definitely going to get two end of 1st round compensation picks for Cumming and Perryman.If we rate Peatling and Dodson high enough i'd be going to GWS and trading our Future 1st to them for Peatling and one of their End of 1st rounders...

youre giving F1 for peatling?

cumming is not getting band 2 compo

perryman is

 

[Danger in Texas]

Cumming will get them band 1, we paid near $1m.

Lol what, where are you pulling this from

 

[CrowToon]

Cumming will get them band 1, we paid near $1m.

You write the contract?