List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Cromulant]

Unpopular opinion but I think we tend to manage our list between our 2 sides to the detriment of the AFL side

Interesting theory.

Certain re-signings do tend to make it look that way, but at the same time we added 3 best 22 players as well.

IMO we take too long to work out who's worth persisting with or not. We found out this year that Strachan wasn't the answer to any question, but we could easily have worked that out before.

 

[Golumless]

Unpopular opinion but I think we tend to manage our list between our 2 sides to the detriment of the AFL side

I kind of agree, though I think that's more a symptom of that we seem a bit scared to make mistakes by delisting kids that have shown a little bit.

Hamil, Cook, Schoenberg, Parnell, Gollant, Himmelberg and Borlase. All players we recontraced in 23--24 for at least one year, or re-rookied and all who either regressed, stalled out badly or questionable if they're good enough. I'm not convinced that 2 of them get resigned if Geelong or Sydney were in our shoes, with the only one I'd wager is Borlase.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Tom Campbell.

Rucks are different , always need that spare cheap one and they also help out the state league side as need some big blokes

Re smalls , don’t need to carry depth ones

 

[Danger in Texas]

Rucks are different , always need that spare cheap one and they also help out the state league side as need some big blokes

Re smalls , don’t need to carry depth ones

It’s why you see multiple ruckman getting gigs at 3 or 4 clubs. Ben Hudson, Giles, Hickey, Preuss

Hell, Paul Hunter even got a second chance lol

 

[Jeffcrowe]

It’s why you see multiple ruckman getting gigs at 3 or 4 clubs. Ben Hudson, Giles, Hickey, Preuss

Hell, Paul Hunter even got a second chance lol

Forgot about that haha

 

[DJ75]

I kind of agree, though I think that's more a symptom of that we seem a bit scared to make mistakes by delisting kids that have shown a little bit.

Hamil, Cook, Schoenberg, Parnell, Gollant, Himmelberg and Borlase. All players we recontraced in 23--24 for at least one year, or re-rookied and all who either regressed, stalled out badly or questionable if they're good enough. I'm not convinced that 2 of them get resigned if Geelong or Sydney were in our shoes, with the only one I'd wager is Borlase.

Basically list cloggers that we have given opportunities to, but clearly aren't up to it. Should be willing to make tough calls, but we don't.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Basically list cloggers that we have given opportunities to, but clearly aren't up to it. Should be willing to make tough calls, but we don't.

4 of them are gone now, 1 or 2 more next year

 

[GreyCrow]

IMO we take too long to work out who's worth persisting with or not.

I think one way to work out who has value or not is put them on the trade table or give their managers the heads up to look elsewhere

I would hope IF there is little to no feedback maybe our own assessment needs to be looked at

On a level I do understand the desire and want by the club to be successful across all levels - but it feels very Smarty that our AFL side isnt prioritised above certain KPIs

 

[Eddie Murphy]

Crows make rookie draft commitment to delisted pair

Adelaide will pick up Harry Schoenberg and Chris Burgess in this month's rookie draft

www.afl.com.au

We've delisted Schoenberg and Burgess with a commitment to take them in the rookie draft.

 

[Firewalker]

Jeez they’re leaving it late to announce who ended up winning the ‘moved to the Rookie List’ booby prize.

Harry Schoenberg and Chris Burgess Win the booby prize!

 

[Firewalker]

The news Brodie Smith

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Brodie Smith

Age

32

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189cm

Wt

88kg

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Def

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Last 5

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19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

was staying on at the club was putrid enough but the fact that it’s on the main list even if these delistings are purely administrative is a whole new level of crap. Can’t hurt Brodie’s ego or the senior players feelings by doing that to a “club great”

 

[Untouchables22]

Crows make rookie draft commitment to delisted pair

Adelaide will pick up Harry Schoenberg and Chris Burgess in this month's rookie draft

www.afl.com.au

We've delisted Schoenberg and Burgess with a commitment to take them in the rookie draft.

Does this change our access to a third player at the draft? or just a reshuffle of list spots.

 

[GreyCrow]

Crows make rookie draft commitment to delisted pair

Adelaide will pick up Harry Schoenberg and Chris Burgess in this month's rookie draft

www.afl.com.au

We've delisted Schoenberg and Burgess with a commitment to take them in the rookie draft.

Finally see some movement

I think these 2 are the right choice as well

 

[Vader]

Crows make rookie draft commitment to delisted pair

Adelaide will pick up Harry Schoenberg and Chris Burgess in this month's rookie draft

www.afl.com.au

We've delisted Schoenberg and Burgess with a commitment to take them in the rookie draft.

No great surprises there. I figured they wouldn't do it to Strachan.

Now, the other question is how many rookies we're upgrading? This will tell us whether we're taking Welsh in the ND or RD. Upgrade 1 = ND, 2 = RD.

 

[Vader]

Does this change our access to a third player at the draft? or just a reshuffle of list spots.

It doesn't create a 3rd list vacancy.

 

[GreyCrow]

Does this change our access to a third player at the draft? or just a reshuffle of list spots.

It wasnt mentioned in the article - I hope it would but it might come with some drama

 

[Dangarman]

Harry Schoenberg and Chris Burgess Win the booby prize!

The only surprise being how long it took to make the announcement!

 

[Magma]

really not a fan of this whole delisting senior players and putting them on the rookie list stuff. i get you're allowed to do it and strategy wise it's smart but i've never been a fan of this.

 

[Eddie Murphy]

No great surprises there. I figured they wouldn't do it to Strachan.

Now, the other question is how many rookies we're upgrading? This will tell us whether we're taking Welsh in the ND or RD. Upgrade 1 = ND, 2 = RD.

Wouldn't have minded if Strachan was one. If we're somehow gazumped for him we'd have genuine reason to pursue a better ruck prospect (imo) in Knobel. And if that doesn't pan out I don't think there'd be much difference between Strachan and a Boyd or Crossley type.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think he's almost certain not to attract a bid at all, and we will go this route. I think Welsh is going to join the list of SANFL players watchers on this forum were dead certs to go first/second round who ended up third round, rookie draft, or undrafted - Jonty Scharenberg, Arlo Draper, there's more but I can't for the life of me remember any other names.

If we don't announce a delisting on Monday, which I think is unlikely, then I expect us to announce two rookie upgrades whenever that particular deadline arrives - Keane for certain, then a coin toss.

We’ll, you can cross this theory off your list

 

[Vader]

Interesting that the article is on the AFL website, with nothing (yet) on the AFC website.

 

[Dangarman]

It doesn't create a 3rd list vacancy.

Unless, of course, either player chooses to sign with another club, or gets picked up by a different club when they nominate for the drafts.

So correct, it does not create a 3rd list vacancy!

 

[Crow_68]

So pretty much locked in with Pick 4, Welsh and a rookie upgrade (unless someone grabs either of the delisted two)

 

[George Kramer]

I wonder if we’ve delisted Schoenberg and Burhess with the faint hope someone might pick them up and free up a list spot?

Either we don’t care or we think they are no risk, otherwise the no brainer would have been Smith.

 

[Vader]

We’ll, you can cross this theory off your list

The rabbit's theory is still alive, until the number of rookie upgrades is confirmed.

It was always based on a nonsense - the absence of delisted senior players - but the theory itself remains viable, for now at least.