List Mgmt. 2024 List Mismanagement and Trading Part 2

[Golumless]

Surely if it was to happen, the player involved wouldn't have been guaranteed being re-taken in the rookie draft.

Sure, but I doubt you'd find anyone - or their management - agreeing to void an AFL contract in the hope they get selected in the rookie draft by the same club.

 

[Vader]

We nominated Ben Jarman and selected him in the rookie draft, however I think there must be different ways to do it as all the talk on Jarman was written about us nominating him as a "potential father-son selection", which I believe meant he was open in the national draft, but guaranteed to us if he slipped to the rookie draft.

I believe with Welsh this is a full obligation and we have to pick him if no one else bids on him in the national draft.

This is correct. The 2024 AFL Draft Booklet lists 2 dates for lodging F/S nominations.

31st October - Father-Son and Academy Bidding Nominations Lodged
22nd Nov - Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre0Selected Rookie player nominations submitted to the AFL.

Note that the ND occurs on 20-21 November.

By nominating him in the 31st Oct nomination, we are effectively committed to selecting him with our last live pick in the ND, if nobody has bid on him previously. We are not, however, obligated to match any bid.

 

[1970crow]

Sure, but I doubt you'd find anyone - or their management - agreeing to void an AFL contract in the hope they get selected in the rookie draft by the same club.

Sorry, missed the bit about agreeing to void the contract, that's not happening.

 

[feenix67]

Remember when feenix67 said Schoenberg was gonna win a brownlow? Swing and a miss. Make podcast equipment more expensive xo

Also said Danger would after his second game sooooo....

 

[Floating Doughnut]

The list mathematics dictates that we need to upgrade 1 rookie. Keane is the most likely, given that he's a regular member of our best 22.

Yes, Keane could spend 2 more years on the rookie list, as could Borlase & Turray.

As for the salary cap considerations... Only part of a rookie's salary is excluded from the salary cap - an amount equivalent to the salary of a 1st year rookie draftee. In 2025, that will be $100K. It's the same amount excluded regardless of what the player's actual salary is. Thus, salary cap considerations are about the number of players on the rookie list, not the actual players on the rookie list.

That’s the bit , cheers.

 

[mcleod at 50 lines it up]

Wouldn't be shocked if a club like Geelong took schoenberg and made him into a good player

 

[1990crow]

Also said Danger would after his second game sooooo....

I saw it in game 1!

 

[Shifty Crow]

Wouldn't be shocked if a club like Geelong took schoenberg and made him into a good player

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[Cromulant]

Sounds like Michelanney Jnr is going to be offered a SANFL spot should he go undrafted.

Now who was it that said he wouldn't.....

 

[Jack McKraken]

Not quite...

They could do Pick 4 and 2x rookie upgrades, taking Welsh in the RD (assuming nobody else selects him in the ND or PSD). I think it's 90% likely that we'll go down the ND route, upgrading only 1 rookie, but the possibility still exists until the club confirms how many rookies they're upgrading.

I’d say it’s almost 100% certain we go the ND route. Can’t see us risking the chance someone bids on him and lose out all together.

 

[Scorpus]

Or put an age restriction of say 23 yo on rookies …… that may be a bit difficult to administer, as you know a 24-26 yo state league player will fail to get an opportuniy

Maybe put a n AFL games played as a restriction …. maybe rookie spots are only open to players with fewer than 20 games

Salary restriction I reckon. Have to be upgraded to the senior list if you're earning more than $150k

 

[whattagun07]

Remember when feenix67 said Schoenberg was gonna win a brownlow? Swing and a miss. Make podcast equipment more expensive xo

Nice job potting from the cheapest of seats. I really hope this was in good jest, because Feen's contribution to this (and the larger crow fan) community is right up there. We all get it wrong from time to time and have had our personal faves who flopped (hey Troy Menzel and Riley Knight)

 

[cleanhands]

Nice job potting from the cheapest of seats. I really hope this was in good jest, because Feen's contribution to this (and the larger crow fan) community is right up there. We all get it wrong from time to time and have had our personal faves who flopped (hey Troy Menzel and Riley Knight)

Was just about to post, no one has a perfect record

 

[dogs105]

Nice job potting from the cheapest of seats. I really hope this was in good jest, because Feen's contribution to this (and the larger crow fan) community is right up there. We all get it wrong from time to time and have had our personal faves who flopped (hey Troy Menzel and Riley Knight)

I liked Lachie Murphy before this season. Had a shocking year.

 

[Jack McKraken]

The upgrade takes place AFTER the ND, but we need to commit to it (i.e. lodging the paperwork) before the ND.

Technically, at the ND with our last pick(s if more than one upgraded).

 

[Jack McKraken]

16 'rookies' to be redrafted across the league. just under 1000 games of experience. still remember when ramanauskas had to be given permission to be redrafted as a rookie. just get rid of it and expand the lists.

Agree- but this dance is driven by the 3 mandatory draft picks requirement.

 

[Jack McKraken]

No, we can't back out of the commitment. It's a contract.

I believe that nominating Welsh as a F/S (announced last Friday) means that we're committed to taking him in the ND, if no bids come in before our last "live" selection. I'm not 100% certain about this, but I believe it is the case.

The rules say the club may pick them up once nominated, so seems there is some wriggle room. It’s also covered by a determination which isn’t made public- so that may shut the door on passing on them.

 

[Chances Are]

Yeah but we traded 45 into next year

Still we wouldn't have 2 list cloggers on our list. That's the bonus!

 

[crows dude]

Ok so now
Senior list
1- Peatling
2- Neale-Bullen
3 - Cumming
4 - Jones
5 - Keays
6 - Berry
7 - Murphy
8- Crouch
9- Curtin
10 - Thilthorpe
11 - Rachele
12 - Pedlar
13 - Edwards
14 - Dawson
15 - Walker
16 - Soligo
17 - Cook
18 - Michalanney
19 - Taylor
20 - Hinge
21 - Ryan
22 - Rankine
23 - Worrell
24 - Nankervis
25 - N Murray
26 - Laird
27 - Milera
28 - Dowling
29 - Fogarty
30 - Smith
31 - Sholl
32 - Bond
33 - Butts
34- Strachan
35 - O’Brien
36 - Keane Rookie upgrade
37 - pick 4
38 - Welsh father son

Rookie
1 - Borlase
2 - T Murray
3 - rookie pick Schoenberg
4 - Rookie pick Burgess

Cat B
1 Gallagher

 

[crows dude]

So, the only questions remaining for the AFC draft night are:
1. Does Hamish have too many tequilas on the night and trade pick 4? (If yes, then a whole can of questions opens up!)
2. Assuming not, who do we take at Pick 4?
3. Do we match any bid on Welsh? (Choosing not to makes 64 a live pick!)
4. If we don't take Welsh, do we leave a spot open or pick up a project ruck?

Another Q for Vader - are we actually obliged to pick Welsh if no-one else bids now that we have 'nominated' him as F/S, or does that nomination just give us the right to match a bid?

If no one bids on welsh in the draft he’s ours in the rookie draft. Like we did with Jarman and Edwards. Will mean that there is no spot for one of the two delisted today

 

[FR0GGY]

Was just about to post, no one has a perfect record

Take me off ignore then..

 

[cleanhands]

Take me off ignore then..

Nah prefer you on ignore

 

[cleanhands]

Take me off ignore then..

I actually think I’ve got myself on ignore

 

[FR0GGY]

I actually think I’ve got myself on ignore

It’s not uncommon to put a legs poster on ignore

 

[Multiballz]

Harry is not AFL standard no matter what jumper he is wearing


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And yet he has been. What happened there?