Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[Del191229]

I’m still floored with this type of journalism. Again, how do you not check all sides before submitting. I just don’t get it.

I can see an argument for reporting the allegations without a response.

In that case he should have not named Clarkson and co.

 

[Devington]

I’m still floored with this type of journalism. Again, how do you not check all sides before submitting. I just don’t get it.

His forte is historical scandals that got swept under the rug, were never told, or were overlooked at the time. The type where the key figures are no longer as prominent, if at all.

This story meanwhile not only had key figures still in the industry, but the story itself was time sensitive and ran in conflict with an existing process.

I suppose the skillset for what he previously wrote didn't transfer across well, or at the very least the mentality didn't.

 

[Cool Kangas]

I can see an argument for reporting the allegations without a response.

In that case he should have not named Clarkson and co.

Absolutely. DO NOT name without proof.

 

[Del191229]

His forte is historical scandals that got swept under the rug, were never told, or were overlooked at the time. The type where the key figures are no longer as prominent, if at all.

This story meanwhile not only had key figures still in the industry, but the story itself was time sensitive and ran in conflict with an existing process.

I suppose the skillset for what he previously wrote didn't transfer across well, or at the very least the mentality didn't.

Someone can be an brilliant plasterer but do you want them doing your wiring?

After all, they both work in the building trade!

 

[Psicosis]

Just had a look at the main board thread.

Its a whitewash, AFL sweeping it under the carpet are the 2 most common takes.

Not happy they’re not getting blood.

 

[Val Keating]

I’m still floored with this type of journalism. Again, how do you not check all sides before submitting. I just don’t get it.

It’s because he was blinded by his activism and thought he was on another winner. He’s not a proper journalist.

His previous work clouded his judgement.

 

[Del191229]

It’s because he was blinded by his activism and thought he was on another winner. He’s not a proper journalist.

His previous work clouded his judgement.

I know a journo who didn't do anything on the Pell stuff because they didn't see how they could ever prove it and were worried they'd get so caught up in it that they'd lose all perspective.

 

[DesertRoo]

Absolutely. DO NOT name without proof.

I believe he thought he had proof, he had her emails and texts she sent over a couple of days, there was no reply from the club.
Apart from someone saying get help.

I don’t think he ever considered the point, she might only have half the information.

 

[koshari]

I’m still floored with this type of journalism. Again, how do you not check all sides before submitting. I just don’t get it.

you been away for a while it seems,

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Blokes first day at work for his new club and the afl media have used it as an excuse to write more hawthorn racism articles. Barely a mention of clarko at North and how he feels to be back coaching etc.

 

[danj]

All you need to know about the media is this. Last week there were 2 incidents in the news both involving Indigenous Australians. One Indigenous boy was beaten to death by a white person, it was labelled a racism crime. Another was a white pregnant woman pushing a stroller being attacked by an indigenous girl, no mention of a racism crime. I challenge anyone to find a news article claiming racism when the victim is a white person and the perpetrator is an Indigenous Australian.

Are you insane?

 

[pitchster]

Are you insane?

Happens all the time mate, i dont write the articles.

 

[The Anvil]

You can understand that though, given that they have essentially been used to tell a story by a journalist that saw them as an opportunity. Throw in the fact they were reluctant participants from the very beginning of The Hawthorn Review, to the publicised Jackson piece, I'm not surprised they don't want a bar of any of it. I don't think they ever really did.

For arguments sake, say Ämy is made aware of the Hawthorn Review taking place and she is encouraged to share her experiences. Some assurances are given by Egan, so she agrees despite some reservation and outlines her personal experience. The next thing she knows is being door-stopped by some ABC journo, a Russell Jackson (???) who apparently has some knowledge of an internal review. This guy shows his bonafides, points to some authored articles, asks if he can just have a chat. No names, just a chat. A rapport is established, some trust is established and they agree to talk again in a day or two. Amy then opens up a little more, more assurances are given on annonymity, etc. Story drops, bombs go off and the next thing you know Amy finds herself front and centre of a process she never really wanted a part of from day 1.

No winners, except the lawyers.

The wording of the release from her lawyers suggests she does want involvement, just involvement on her terms.

Yet, I'm sure situations as you've mentioned here certainly happen at times.

 

[danj]

Happens all the time mate, i dont write the articles.

Indigenous people make up 3.2% of the population, you don’t target white peoples you trip over them!

 

[The Anvil]

They surely have to invite/ask him.

Wonder if he's AFL accredited.

He's not even journalism accredited.

 

[pitchster]

Indigenous people make up 3.2% of the population, you don’t target white peoples you trip over them!

Im generally speaking of their use of the word racism here more than anything else. But yes i know what you are saying

 

[Luke72]

I dont understand how it can get anymore independent who else is going to organise it if the AFL doesnt?

I was wondering the same thing myself, although I guess the answer is the AFL pay an independent entity.

 

[astrovic]

Serious question.
If the person or persons who are making the allegations refuse to participate should they be entitled to on-going anonymity?

Seems very unfair that someone can make such serious allegations, refuse to back their statements up and walk away reputation in tacked, while the alleged perpetrators get smeared in public.
I think in the future it would stop people making unfounded allegations, if they didn't continue in a investigation and knowing their names would become public.

Thoughts?

Serious answer - yes.

For three reasons:

1. The complainant is not going to be anonymous to the only people that really need to know the name of the complainant - ie the accused. The accused will know full well from the details of the complaint who is making the complaint. The rest of us in average person land really don't need to know who the complainant is. Demanding that the complainant be made public because they withdrew their allegation against a public figure sounds punitive and chilling to me.

2. I want complainants to complain. I want people who believe that something was done to them that was wrong can feel able to speak up about it. For so so many people, anonymity is critical for their ability to make a complaint, especially where they are levelling accusations at a public figure. I don't want people to have anything to complain about, but when (sadly) they do, I want them to not have the all too common feeling of "what's the point in complaining? It will just make things worse." That stills happens way way too often, and that's a bad thing.

3. I'm an adult. A big boy wearing big boy pants - at least I like to think I am. If someone levels allegations at me, I am going to pull up those big boy pants and deal with those allegations on their merits. I'm not going to piss and moan about how it's unfair that my accuser is anonymous and I'm not. I also know that if I act like an adult, meet the allegations head on and are exonerated, I won't be judged by society. You know how I know that? Majak Daw. Remember how he got charged and acquitted of rape? He managed to handle that like an adult, and he's very much a respected member of society still. That's how you do it. And his accuser remains anonymous. Does that give shelter to false accusers? Sure, but then because I'm an adult, I'm very much aware that the number of dishonest accusations is absolutely dwarfed by the mountain of honest accusations, and dwarfed again by the mountain of accusations that never even get made. Put bluntly, I will absolutely cop (and handle head on) a false allegation, if it means that I'm living in an environment where real accusations are getting dealt with properly. And I remain unconvinced that they are.

So yeah, I'm absolutely fine with anonymity.

 

[Cool Kangas]

you been away for a while it seems,

I haven’t. Just haven’t commented. I’m just still shaking my head at the ineptitude.

 

[koshari]

I haven’t. Just haven’t commented. I’m just still shaking my head at the ineptitude.

sadly this is the current modus operandis of modern media.

 

[The Lone Latic]

I would say somebody that was omitted out of the blue in a final game (with a lot of forced changes) while being uncontracted at the time (he still meets the "comes out of contract in 2023" disclaimer) might not necessarily be considered best 22, or he might have been considered best 22 under the previous coach. I only say that though because it was a surprising out based on the revelry of that week.

It just seems weird to me that Aiden Bonar who played ten games for us this year would roll up after skipping training for a week and expect a gig.

Depends on when that occurred. If it was just as Bonar had completed yet another string of matches together for us before getting hurt, I could see that being thr case, bit your logic also makes sense too

 

[DuckYeah]

Not surprised if so. There's only do many players it could be if contracted only for 23 and the description in the OP

Perhaps it was Polec. He was given the arse today

 

[Del191229]

Absolutely. DO NOT name without proof.

Nick McKenzie and Chris Masters used a pseudonym for Ben Roberts-Smith before naming him after they'd assembled enough evidence to take the next step.

 

[Del191229]

He's not even journalism accredited.

Brags he's self taught.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

Oh really I thought we would have well hope we get some news on assistants and ceo any news on them

As I have said numerous times - announcements in the last 2 weeks of November leading into the draft and the return of all players by the start of December.