Coach Alastair Clarkson IV - HFC Racism Investigation Discussion

[DesertRoo]

I want to know if Rusty takes part in the afl investigation, can we set up a judge Judy style live stream? surely we can make it seven degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon scenario.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

You can understand that though, given that they have essentially been used to tell a story by a journalist that saw them as an opportunity. Throw in the fact they were reluctant participants from the very beginning of The Hawthorn Review, to the publicised Jackson piece, I'm not surprised they don't want a bar of any of it. I don't think they ever really did.

For arguments sake, say Ämy is made aware of the Hawthorn Review taking place and she is encouraged to share her experiences. Some assurances are given by Egan, so she agrees despite some reservation and outlines her personal experience. The next thing she knows is being door-stopped by some ABC journo, a Russell Jackson (???) who apparently has some knowledge of an internal review. This guy shows his bonafides, points to some authored articles, asks if he can just have a chat. No names, just a chat. A rapport is established, some trust is established and they agree to talk again in a day or two. Amy then opens up a little more, more assurances are given on annonymity, etc. Story drops, bombs go off and the next thing you know Amy finds herself front and centre of a process she never really wanted a part of from day 1.

No winners, except the lawyers.

I'm not so sure that's the way it went down in terms of Russell Jackson door-stopping an unwilling participant. There is some suggestion that this story was pitched to Jackson along with several other well-known football journalists. The accusers were allegedly unhappy with the lack of action from Hawthorn or the AFL after participating in the Egan report, and so they were prepared to co-operate with Jackson's story, obviously with anonymity guaranteed.

 

[roos 10]

My first thought was another player who was unexpectedly dropped for the final game.

Who was that

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Amy's story is going to get destroyed now.

It was always going to come under serious questioning but without her there to contextualise it, it's going to be ugly.

Well done Phil and Russell. You really put her first.

Marque Lawyers speaking on her behalf and insisting that the truth of her story should not be tested, and that the only thing the AFL should be doing is determining how they allowed it all to happen and who should be punished is the very height of ambit claims. No lawyer in the history of forever really thinks that a valid legal argument.

 

[The Lone Latic]

My first thought was another player who was unexpectedly dropped for the final game.

Hall? Can't remember who was dropped for the final game but I'd thought he was out of contract at that point before signing a new deal but I'd thought he was still considered best 22

 

[roos 10]

Have we spoke to ratten yet anyone know

 

[Del191229]

I want to know if Rusty takes part in the afl investigation, can we set up a judge Judy style live stream? surely we can make it seven degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon scenario.

They surely have to invite/ask him.

Wonder if he's AFL accredited.

 

[JarOfConfidence]

What I find extraordinary is that any journalist would want to publish any story without understanding all perspectives and making sure context is accounted for in any situation. It’s beyond belief. Whether the story is actually true or not….how can you not consider all sides before hitting “submit”? (And of course allowing TIME for all parties to respond).

This, this and this. Completely shoddy piece of journalism which - I dare say - would not have passed muster at a media organisation which employs senior editors to oversee reporters’ work. The ABC, alas, is a staff-run collective. So Jackson has not just Cherry-picked the ‘facts’ to suit his narrative, he’s actively taken sides in this story. He’s done the trade no credit whatsoever …. (as if people need another reason to heap sh*T on it.)

 

[Del191229]

Marque Lawyers speaking on her behalf and insisting that the truth of her story should not be tested, and that the only thing the AFL should be doing is determining how they allowed it all to happen and who should be punished is the very height of ambit claims. No lawyer in the history of forever really thinks that a valid legal argument.

Interesting that they chose to format the statement as a multimedia presentation with her quite good but highly emotive art.

 

[DesertRoo]

They surely have to invite/ask him.

Wonder if he's AFL accredited.

At this point in time, he’d be wise to stay far far away from any sort of cross examining.

I can see both sides attempting to nail him.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Hall? Can't remember who was dropped for the final game but I'd thought he was out of contract at that point before signing a new deal but I'd thought he was still considered best 22

I would say somebody that was omitted out of the blue in a final game (with a lot of forced changes) while being uncontracted at the time (he still meets the "comes out of contract in 2023" disclaimer) might not necessarily be considered best 22, or he might have been considered best 22 under the previous coach. I only say that though because it was a surprising out based on the revelry of that week.

It just seems weird to me that Aiden Bonar who played ten games for us this year would roll up after skipping training for a week and expect a gig.

 

[Kanga1996]

If Amy didn’t speak directly with Clarkson isn’t it just considered hearsay which won’t stand up in court ?


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[Del191229]

At this point in time, he’d be wise to stay far far away from any sort of cross examining.

I can see both sides attempting to nail him.

Yeah, he's shaping up as a fall guy.

 

[Del191229]

If Amy didn’t speak directly with Clarkson isn’t it just considered hearsay which won’t stand up in court ?


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In a legal setting it would need Ian to confirm it happened as Jackson reported yes.

 

[koshari]

If Amy didn’t speak directly with Clarkson isn’t it just considered hearsay which won’t stand up in court ?


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there is no court.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

Have we spoke to ratten yet anyone know

No - highly unlikely to be approached.

 

[andana]

Interesting that they chose to format the statement as a multimedia presentation with her quite good but highly emotive art.

" The Dream" is lost for many. The AFL requires that some players are delisted after every season.

 

[Del191229]

there is no court.

No courts, no gods, no masters.

 

[Del191229]

" The Dream" is lost for many. The AFL requires that some players are delisted after every season.

They laid an egg on the main board when I asked if Liam Jurrah's post footy experiences were also Melbourne's fault.

 

[Kanga1996]

there is no court.

True.. What if Clarkson took legal action, that was more my point.


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[roos 10]

No - highly unlikely to be approached.

Oh really I thought we would have well hope we get some news on assistants and ceo any news on them

 

[Psicosis]

Clarkson returns to Arden Street for first official day as coach

Senior coach Alastair Clarkson chats to the media ahead of his first official day at Arden Street

www.nmfc.com.au

 

[Val Keating]

Just had a look at the main board thread.

Its a whitewash, AFL sweeping it under the carpet are the 2 most common takes.

Not happy they’re not getting blood.

 

[Del191229]

Just had a look at the main board thread.

Its a whitewash, AFL sweeping it under the carpet are the 2 most common takes.

Not happy they’re not getting blood.

The Big Man putting a call out for lawyers on the board to read the ToR etc.

Funny how my journalism experience - which he knows first hand - didn't count for anything in critiquing Jackson's approach.

 

[Cool Kangas]

I’m still floored with this type of journalism. Again, how do you not check all sides before submitting. I just don’t get it.