Preview Changes: R7 vs GWS

[CrowBloke]

When it was obvious to everybody that Hawthorn were all over those long kicks out of defence, we really needed to mix things up and take a few shorter options just to try to break up that defensive zone they'd set up to intercept the long bombs. Yeah, we might have screwed it up and turned it over, but we were screwing up and turning it over anyway so at least we could have turned it over while trying something different / creative.

This! --- is a failure of both the Coaching panel and a lack of on-ground leadership.

 

[DJ75]

So, how is everyone feeling about this weeks game? I'm very pessimistic. I just don't see us winning.
GWS have been playing poorly this year and have a terrible coach, but their talent level is >>>>>ours.

We played 3 terrible quarters against North and 1 poor quarter and 2 terrible quarters against Hawthorn. They are the two bottom teams.

We are not in form or playing well. I'm hopeful we will turn it around, but don't think we will.

 

[Murray2503]

Well, the big one is the structure is a mess at this point in time. Kelly, Brown, McPherson and Doedee is one too many small defenders who lack a genuinely damaging offensive game, or KPD height. Plus our midfield, whilst improving, isn't exactly a reliable thing at the moment. Really, the best option would be to remove Kelly for Worrell, but he's irritatingly in-form at the moment..

"If in doubt, clear the area" is a terrible option, and Hawks game showed why it's a bad option, because we got shut down in the fourth because we resorted to that garbage (consistently bombing it to the right is truly the sign of a panic-stricken team). Football is one of the few balls sports in which territory is not a viable defensive option at higher levels (especially as your always kicking to an outnumbered situation). A properly organised defensive unit is just going to pick that off for fun, hem the opposition into their defensive 50 until they're eventually scored against. You need to develop a game where you can kick through it, or run through it consistently. If that's what Nicks wants to develop, then you keep doing it, and you keep doing it until it becomes so ingrained in every defender it's what they resort to under pressure.

Hamill was just a big loss because it took away someone who could run at the defence, and in the 4th, we desperately needed someone who could change up what we were doing to get away with the panicked football we played. Maybe Hamill succumbs to the malaise, maybe not. Worrell is a good move, but that's more due to Josh also having a good running game.

We currently don't have the skills or the run for the game you are proposing. That's why we are one of the highest in the league for turnover backhalf. At least if we turn it over further away from goals it will give the defence more time to reset. We have good marking targets up the line with ROB, Thilthorpe, Berg, Walker?. I'm not proposing bombs up the line continually, just getting rid of the 20 pass in front of goals which generally gets intercepted. They need to get the ball into the hands of ball users and change what they are currently doing as it's not working. We are hamstring with most of our better runners who can kick being injured but they may have to try some different personnel down back. Unfortunately Butts, Brown, Smith, Kelly, McPherson are all fairly poor kicks. Combined with their lack of offensive run (smith excluded) we are stagnant.

 

[FR0GGY]

So, how is everyone feeling about this weeks game? I'm very pessimistic. I just don't see us winning.
GWS have been playing poorly this year and have a terrible coach, but their talent level is >>>>>ours.

We played 3 terrible quarters against North and 1 poor quarter and 2 terrible quarters against Hawthorn. They are the two bottom teams.

We are not in form or playing well. I'm hopeful we will turn it around, but don't think we will.

Keep my expectations low and then I can only be positively surprised.

 

[Hell Boy6669]

So, how is everyone feeling about this weeks game? I'm very pessimistic. I just don't see us winning.
GWS have been playing poorly this year and have a terrible coach, but their talent level is >>>>>ours.

We played 3 terrible quarters against North and 1 poor quarter and 2 terrible quarters against Hawthorn. They are the two bottom teams.

We are not in form or playing well. I'm hopeful we will turn it around, but don't think we will.

Its all about the pressure, if we can bring what we brought v Geelong in round 1, we are every chance. Thats a very big IF

 

[CrowBloke]

No.
I saw it too, said No wind.

No mention of which end a N-NNW wind favours?

I was wrong! In fact, I checked Willyweather on Tuesday (because I was thinking of going fishing on Saturday) and it predicted strong N to NNW winds and that has not changed since Tuesday.
(My own Google notes: " You've visited this page many times. Last visit: edited 27/04/21" )

OK, you might have a different source, and they got it wrong. Not you.
People in here often make bets based on info supplied in here, even if they can check for themselves.

Different from your source, apparently, the Willyweather info is for strong N-NW winds which favour the Southern end:

So still in effect the wind is not an issue in terms of accuracy, if anything the wind will assist long kicks towards the Northern end.

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[jackster83]

If he's fully fit and going, he does become an important part of the team.

For the 2-3 games a year that he's fully fit, we have to put with rubbish for the rest of it.

2017 was a long time ago now. Time to move on.

 

[Murray2503]

So, how is everyone feeling about this weeks game? I'm very pessimistic. I just don't see us winning.
GWS have been playing poorly this year and have a terrible coach, but their talent level is >>>>>ours.

We played 3 terrible quarters against North and 1 poor quarter and 2 terrible quarters against Hawthorn. They are the two bottom teams.

We are not in form or playing well. I'm hopeful we will turn it around, but don't think we will.

Will let you know after selection. Probably won or lost there. This year is all about finding some players, improving our skills and playing with some better composure. Just want to see some improvements there. Game is a 50/50 but wouldn't advise putting money on the crows.

 

[CrowBloke]

So, how is everyone feeling about this weeks game? I'm very pessimistic. I just don't see us winning.
GWS have been playing poorly this year and have a terrible coach, but their talent level is >>>>>ours.

We played 3 terrible quarters against North and 1 poor quarter and 2 terrible quarters against Hawthorn. They are the two bottom teams.

We are not in form or playing well. I'm hopeful we will turn it around, but don't think we will.

Good question.
Before the Hawks game, looking at form/results/ladder position, I thought we had a good chance. On the day, they had several (2 crucial in the last quarter) and fluffed them. Then I thought about Clarko/Launceston/effect of travel on rookies, and while hopeful, I had a gut feel we'd lose.
I have the same misgivings about tomorrow, which might change after the team is announced. We need another KPD, more hard work from the mids, and more from McAdam, McHenry and Rowe. Having all of Tex/Fog/Berg and Thilthorpe down front is one too many imho.
The freakish (but wonderful) accuracy of 15.0 from last week flattered the Crows, as well. A good return would have been 12.3, in which case we'd have lost by 18 points, not 3.

 

[DJ75]

Its all about the pressure, if we can bring what we brought v Geelong in round 1, we are every chance. Thats a very big IF

Especially given this will be round 7 and we haven't really seen it since round 1.

 

[DJ75]

Good question.
Before the Hawks game, looking at form/results/ladder position, I thought we had a good chance. On the day, they had several (2 crucial in the last quarter) and fluffed them. Then I thought about Clarko/Launceston/effect of travel on rookies, and while hopeful, I had a gut feel we'd lose.
I have the same misgivings about tomorrow, which might change after the team is announced. We need another KPD, more hard work from the mids, and more from McAdam, McHenry and Rowe. Having all of Tex/Fog/Berg and Thilthorpe down front is one too many imho.
The freakish (but wonderful) accuracy of 15.0 from last week flattered the Crows, as well. A good return would have been 12.3, in which case we'd have lost by 18 points, not 3.

The one that stands out in that group of forwards is Fog. Do we keep carrying him? He isn't contributing much TBH.

We could justify his selection if we didn't include Himmelberg, but I'm sure we will want him to have a block of games. I'm also very resistant to having TT ruck (especially against Mummy), so Himm needs to stay.

Lynch out probably helps us keep that group of forwards, but it still looks a bit top heavy.

 

[kulak]

Losing Will is likely a big part of why we lost to Hawthorn. Just because it took away a genuine linebreaker from our defensive setup.

Specifically, Hamill is one player who can do two things:
- win contests ie intercepts
- attack

So as soon as he intercepts, he immediately plays on - in traffic - and hits a target 40 metres downfield. It all happens so fast we can get inside F50 before the opposition can get their defence set.

Lever did the same thing, which is why losing him was a bigger loss to our offence than our defence.

I think we had one scoring shot after Hamill went off late in the third? Without his ability to singularly beat the press we could only bomb long to the CHB gridlock and Hawthorn got repeat entries. Hamill out is a significant blow to our offence.

 

[DJ75]

Specifically, Hamill is one player who can do two things:
- win contests ie intercepts
- attack

So as soon as he intercepts, he immediately plays on - in traffic - and hits a target 40 metres downfield. It all happens so fast we can get inside F50 before the opposition can get their defence set.

Lever did the same thing, which is why losing him was a bigger loss to our offence than our defence.

I think we had one scoring shot after Hamill went off late in the third? Without his ability to singularly beat the press we could only bomb long to the CHB gridlock and Hawthorn got repeat entries. Hamill out is a significant blow to our offence.

So it would seem logical to add an attacking player, such as Worrell as a replacement.

Which of course means we will pick Mackay.

 

[hey shorty]

For the 2-3 games a year that he's fully fit, we have to put with rubbish for the rest of it.

2017 was a long time ago now. Time to move on.

Weve been through this before, Lynch has been no better or worse during the whole of his career.

He's just the type of player who looks worse when we lose and better when we win..... I think youll find his performances are quite even across the board.

 

[Murray2503]

The one that stands out in that group of forwards is Fog. Do we keep carrying him? He isn't contributing much TBH.

We could justify his selection if we didn't include Himmelberg, but I'm sure we will want him to have a block of games. I'm also very resistant to having TT ruck (especially against Mummy), so Himm needs to stay.

Lynch out probably helps us keep that group of forwards, but it still looks a bit top heavy.

Hopefully they play Flynn in ruck and not Mummy. My supercoach needs Flynn for one more week before he is traded out. Selection should be Thursday night.

 

[GROTTO]

So it would seem logical to add an attacking player, such as Worrell as a replacement.

Which of course means we will pick Mackay.

Mackay will be made the Medical Sub this week, the irony of the board celebrating his inclusion should not be lost here.

 

[hey shorty]

Mackay will be made the Medical Sub this week, the irony of the board celebrating his inclusion should not be lost here.

Nah Mackay will be in the 22

 

[Murray2503]

Mackay will be made the Medical Sub this week, the irony of the board celebrating his inclusion should not be lost here.

Is Mackay injured? If so lock him in for injury sub. Sorry I meant 'medical' sub.

 

[jackster83]

Weve been through this before, Lynch has been no better or worse during the whole of his career.

He's just the type of player who looks worse when we lose and better when we win..... I think youll find his performances are quite even across the board.

Doesn't that then debunk your argument about his importance to the side?

 

[hey shorty]

Doesn't that then debunk your argument about his importance to the side?

Not particularly.

He's a solid role player, can be relied upon to play a solid game under any circumstances. People do overrate his importance, but in no way has he been a bad player over time.

 

[Murray2503]

Weve been through this before, Lynch has been no better or worse during the whole of his career.

He's just the type of player who looks worse when we lose and better when we win..... I think youll find his performances are quite even across the board.

So your saying he contributes to neither a win or a loss. Interesting. Sounds like the non-influencer role and not the connector.

 

[DJ75]

Hopefully they play Flynn in ruck and not Mummy. My supercoach needs Flynn for one more week before he is traded out. Selection should be Thursday night.

Same. Although my SC team is an absolute shambles now.

This week alone I've lost Neale, Dunkley, Dusty and Boak (who I'm told will miss with a corkie)

 

[Crows I Am]

So, how is everyone feeling about this weeks game? I'm very pessimistic. I just don't see us winning.
GWS have been playing poorly this year and have a terrible coach, but their talent level is >>>>>ours.

We played 3 terrible quarters against North and 1 poor quarter and 2 terrible quarters against Hawthorn. They are the two bottom teams.

We are not in form or playing well. I'm hopeful we will turn it around, but don't think we will.

I see it going fairly similar to the Freo game, we will be with them for majority of the game but they will have one quarter where they get on top and end up winning by 2-3 goals.

Again, I am not overly fussed with the result. As long as we continue to see improvement from our younger guys and we are competitive for majority of the game.

I am most looking forward to seeing Thilthorpe again and to see if he can back it up from last week. I am not expecting another 5 goal performance (although that would be great), but I just want to see him attack the ball like he did last week and continue to gain some confidence at this level.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Specifically, Hamill is one player who can do two things:
- win contests ie intercepts
- attack

So as soon as he intercepts, he immediately plays on - in traffic - and hits a target 40 metres downfield. It all happens so fast we can get inside F50 before the opposition can get their defence set.

Lever did the same thing, which is why losing him was a bigger loss to our offence than our defence.

I think we had one scoring shot after Hamill went off late in the third? Without his ability to singularly beat the press we could only bomb long to the CHB gridlock and Hawthorn got repeat entries. Hamill out is a significant blow to our offence.

I think Hamill has, along with McPherson (but less so), not been at his best the last few weeks. Go watch the replay against Hawks and you'll see what i mean, particularly the 1st Q.

 

[craig crowing]

Good question.
Before the Hawks game, looking at form/results/ladder position, I thought we had a good chance. On the day, they had several (2 crucial in the last quarter) and fluffed them. Then I thought about Clarko/Launceston/effect of travel on rookies, and while hopeful, I had a gut feel we'd lose.
I have the same misgivings about tomorrow, which might change after the team is announced. We need another KPD, more hard work from the mids, and more from McAdam, McHenry and Rowe. Having all of Tex/Fog/Berg and Thilthorpe down front is one too many imho.
The freakish (but wonderful) accuracy of 15.0 from last week flattered the Crows, as well. A good return would have been 12.3, in which case we'd have lost by 18 points, not 3.

Boy dont understand this too big up forward stuff especially when looking at Hawks game .
Walker, Himmelberg , Fogarty and Thillthorpe were much much better than smalls McHenry ,Murphy ,Rowe and McAdam.who all provided nothing in scoring, presenting for ball or holding the ball in area.