Preview Changes vs Collingwood - Round 20, 2021

[AsterixTheGaul]

This is the sacred home of those that underestimate opposition sides.

Playing Oscar against Collingwood under estimates the Pies. They will have ruckmen and talls that can actually lift both arms above their head.

Question for you- did you actually watch the game? If so please tell me the passage of play where Oscar looked fit and able to compete. Not being smart but your view on Oscar and his impact on a contest appears odd.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Playing Oscar against Collingwood under estimates the Pies. They will have ruckmen and talls that can actually lift both arms above their head.

Question for you- did you actually watch the game? If so please tell me the passage of play where Oscar looked fit and able to compete. Not being smart but your view on Oscar and his impact on a contest appears odd.

He’s credited with one hitout. I’d love to know how many ruck contests he attended, my recollection is that he spent most of the second half as Nic’s backup with Gov resuming full-time defensive duties.

 

[Jupes]

have to continue with brander. i just can't memoryhole his pre-injury form when he was looking very at home at the top level. and from what i've seen post injury in the wafl, when his confidence is up he can literally carry a team, bont-style. if we let him go this offseason we are going to look like massive dummys when he starts tearing games apart for some vic club.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Have to laugh at the insistence that we absolutely have to play Allen this week against Collingwood, because we absolutely can’t win if we rest/manage/rehab him.

He’s missed one game this year, an away game against a bottom six side, that we ended up winning pretty comfortably. But we can’t be without him this week against 16th placed Collingwood, perish the thought.

 

[Tugga27]

have to continue with brander. i just can't memoryhole his pre-injury form when he was looking very at home at the top level. and from what i've seen post injury in the wafl, when his confidence is up he can literally carry a team, bont-style. if we let him go this offseason we are going to look like massive dummys when he starts tearing games apart for some vic club.

Has shown glimpses and he might turn out ok.

Have not seen anything that could suggest he could tear a game apart.
Shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as Bont.

 

[shooshka]

have to continue with brander. i just can't memoryhole his pre-injury form when he was looking very at home at the top level. and from what i've seen post injury in the wafl, when his confidence is up he can literally carry a team, bont-style. if we let him go this offseason we are going to look like massive dummys when he starts tearing games apart for some vic club.

He's not at that level (Bont). Arguably no-one else is this year anyway...

He certainly struggled as the sub, so should either be in the initial 22 or Beagles.

It was a shame to see him lacking confidence again after such a good start to the year - that said, he was one of the few who seemed to go backwards with the ball as an initial thought but the gameplan (thankfully) seems to be moving away from that (meaning he felt lost when there was little support - as players were expecting him to move forward rather than loop/spin to the back).

 

[squashface]

We have the luxury of multiple quality talls so managing one of our young stars is a pretty sensible option imo. We could go with Kennedy, Darling and Waterman up front with Gov taking backup ruck duties or we could bring in Williams as a genuine second ruck. Allen can be covered and I don't think his current form means he is a match winner. Give him a rest.

 

[ziad]

Have to laugh at the insistence that we absolutely have to play Allen this week against Collingwood, because we absolutely can’t win if we rest/manage/rehab him.

He’s missed one game this year, an away game against a bottom six side, that we ended up winning pretty comfortably. But we can’t be without him this week against 16th placed Collingwood, perish the thought.

What we need is a tall forward with enough credit to separate their defence. We seem to have a choice of one.

 

[ziad]

We have the luxury of multiple quality talls so managing one of our young stars is a pretty sensible option imo. We could go with Kennedy, Darling and Waterman up front with Gov taking backup ruck duties or we could bring in Williams as a genuine second ruck. Allen can be covered and I don't think his current form means he is a match winner. Give him a rest.

Quality talls??? JK is ok but unable to contest pack marks and apply forward pressure anymore. JD is undersized and is taking a hammering in cotnetsted marking situations. He works so hard up the ground though.

Waterman, give it a breeak, he is an unfit seagull third tall that is unable to paly a kjey position. He is undersized. He lacks endurance and does not apply real pressure.

 

[Cuzz09]

Gotta keep giving Brander a go.



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[Miguel Sanchez]

What we need is a tall forward with enough credit to separate their defence. We seem to have a choice of one.

…what?

We beat Carlton, who have Weitering and Liam Jones, with Darling, Waterman and Williams as backup ruck, no Kennedy or Allen.

Why do we absolutely desperately need Allen to play against Collingwood - lower than Carlton on the ladder, have bugger all key backs beside Moore who’s injured - and why do we absolutely desperately need to play him regardless of the fact he appears to be falling apart?

 

[CursoryMercenary]

It will be one of the rare seasons we don't have a all Australian representative. Kind of sad can't even think of a player that would even be close?



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[amazingjoshy]

Out: Allen (rested), Ryan (hammy)
In: Brander, Winder

Lost our two fastest players in the last two weeks, give Winder a go see if he can give a small spark. Brander to play Oscar's role from the weekend (3rd tall fwd and swinging back to cover Gov rucking)

 

[amazingjoshy]

It will be one of the rare seasons we don't have a all Australian representative. Kind of sad can't even think of a player that would even be close?



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Nic would be close

 

[squashface]

Quality talls??? JK is ok but unable to contest pack marks and apply forward pressure anymore. JD is undersized and is taking a hammering in cotnetsted marking situations. He works so hard up the ground though.

Waterman, give it a breeak, he is an unfit seagull third tall that is unable to paly a kjey position. He is undersized. He lacks endurance and does not apply real pressure.

So Allen’s 5 touches 1 hitout and 1 behind are what stands between Collingwood and victory?

 

[Bacchus]

It will be one of the rare seasons we don't have a all Australian representative. Kind of sad can't even think of a player that would even be close?



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Naitanui? Must be close if not in the side. Which ruckmen have been better than him?

 

[DanWCE]

Hurn playing game 300 in Melbourne with no crowd is such a Hurn thing to do after years of us bemoaning our inability to see our players go beyond the age of 30 and get close to notching up the epic feat



Great work old man.

 

[Bacchus]

Hurn playing game 300 in Melbourne with no crowd is such a Hurn thing to do after years of us bemoaning our inability to see our players go beyond the age of 30 and get close to notching up the epic feat



Great work old man.

Will be celebrated the following week.

 

[DanWCE]

Will be celebrated the following week.

Doesn't count. 301 means nothing

 

[RookiePick]

Doesn't count. 301 means nothing

New club games record.

 

[BOND 007]

Quality talls??? JK is ok but unable to contest pack marks and apply forward pressure anymore. JD is undersized and is taking a hammering in cotnetsted marking situations. He works so hard up the ground though.

Waterman, give it a breeak, he is an unfit seagull third tall that is unable to paly a kjey position. He is undersized. He lacks endurance and does not apply real pressure.

Waterman may be accused of many things - but being unfit/lacks endurance is certainly not accurate

 

[Smeg Head]

Playing it in melbourne still with no crowd regardless of the day is a stupid choice.

 

[ziad]

Gotta keep giving Brander a go.



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agreed, no choice he makes it or he doesnt. His drafting was very strategic, his performance has been disappointing

 

[ziad]

Waterman may be accused of many things - but being unfit/lacks endurance is certainly not accurate

its about his biggest failing, I read tha fan bou stuff about his tank, but he is unpacked, struggles when he has to 'gut run' and is basically a plodder

Blame who you like.

I used to run at McGilvray on Christmas morning, boxing day etc. There wit a few true mates, plus always plus Cuz doing 400M repeats.
Players are responsible.

 

[Cuzz09]

Hurn playing his 300th against the team he held the cup up in front of is a better way to look at it

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