Toast Collingwood - the fastest rebuild ever

[Bianconeri]

Obviously factors too but you were ravaged with injury last year. Immensely difficult to perform when your best team can’t get on the park.

I don’t think Collingwood are a “Dead cat bounce” either - list has some depth issues sure but is pretty balanced. I reckon the Pies would’ve been pretty well placed last year with better luck on the injury front.

We wouldn’t have been, our gameplan was complete crap and our players didn’t buy in anymore. Injuries allowing some younger players to get games was about the only positive.

 

[La Dispute]

Pies fans have never said they were even a finals chance this year. Let alone flag faves

You know a lot for someone that knows nothing.

Just make sure you have that full list come finals , we've seen you capitulate to a lesser side like the pies with some injuries

This thread isn’t about the Blues big fella, it’s about the Pies season and their prospects going forward.

If the club has gaping holes in the list and is scraping wins with an easy draw that doesn’t bode well for Collingwood making finals next season and likely means there’s a need for some wholesale change before the Pies are contending again.

 

[Bianconeri]

This thread isn’t about the Blues big fella, it’s about the Pies season and their prospects going forward.

If the club has gaping holes in the list and is scraping wins with an easy draw that doesn’t bode well for Collingwood making finals next season and likely means there’s a need for some wholesale change before the Pies are contending again.

Or maybe just plug those holes and continue building. No need to burn the farm.

 

[La Dispute]

All these Carlton posters have seen about 20+ years of failed rebuilds, dud midfielders and false starts. Maybe they can see something the rest of us can't with all this experience.

Bingo.

Blues fans know a middle-of-the-road list when they see one.

 

[La Dispute]

Or maybe just plug those holes and continue building. No need to burn the farm.

Dan McStay isn’t going to transform the Pies.

Until there’s an immediate set of replacement midfielders for Pendlebury, Sidebottom it’s going to be a tough couple of years ahead.

 

[OniAu]

This thread isn’t about the Blues big fella, it’s about the Pies season and their prospects going forward.

If the club has gaping holes in the list and is scraping wins with an easy draw that doesn’t bode well for Collingwood making finals next season and likely means there’s a need for some wholesale change before the Pies are contending again.

You just said we wont win a final big fella. Replying to you not the thread. Which is pretty funny you want to knit pick when you name everything irrelevant to do with the pies.

We dont have gaping holes. You are showing your lack of football knowledge. Enjoy your first round finals exit! Have a good night xoxoxo

 

[La Dispute]

You just said we wont win a final big fella. Replying to you not the thread. Which is pretty funny you want to knit pick when you name everything irrelevant to do with the pies.

We dont have gaping holes. You are showing your lack of football knowledge. Enjoy your first round finals exit! Have a good night xoxoxo

Nice melt.

 

[doppleganger]

Apparently playing Nick Daicos, Ginnivan and Henry constitutes a rebuild.

Good teams dont ever really need to announce a "rebuild" as they are constantly turning over the list.

Daicos has been huge, but so has Murphy and Quaynor down back

Ginny, McReery, Henry and Johnson changed the forwardline

Mids we still hoping to see Poulter, Macrae, Carmichael, McInnes come on a bit more to help Daicos, Lipinski as we phase away from Pendles and Steele.

 

[JayJ20]

Good teams dont ever really need to announce a "rebuild" as they are constantly turning over the list.

Daicos has been huge, but so has Murphy and Quaynor down back

Ginny, McReery, Henry and Johnson changed the forwardline

Mids we still hoping to see Poulter, Macrae, Carmichael, McInnes come on a bit more to help Daicos, Lipinski as we phase away from Pendles and Steele.

The premise of the thread is that Collingwood have completed the fastest ever rebuild. That's not entirely true when the average age of the team Collingwood fields is still middle/on the higher end. Drafting youth doesn't make it a rebuild if only a handful of those players are playing at AFL level. Would Collingwood perform the same if Poulter, Macrae, Carmichael and MicInnes were playing in the side every week?

For comparison, Essendon have almost consistently fielded one of the youngest sides in the competition. Players like Durham, Perkins, Cox, Hobbs, BZT, Jones, Draper (young for a ruckman) and Caldwell are an integral part of the AFL side. Next year, D'Ambrosio, Reid, Bryan, Baldwin and perhaps a new draftee will also join that list. Collingwood's form is not a product of rebuilding whereas Essendon's form can be attributed to the percentage of our AFL team being young and inexperienced.

 

[Bianconeri]

Dan McStay isn’t going to transform the Pies.

Until there’s an immediate set of replacement midfielders for Pendlebury, Sidebottom it’s going to be a tough couple of years ahead.

We don’t need to transform

 

[freddy mercury]

Really wanted this to be started by a Collingwood supporter.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

They won’t win a final

you oughta know

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Brisbane finished last in 1998 and then lost a prelim to the Kangas the following year

If they can't beat this END THREAD #DoBetter

24 years ago. Its not common. OP is right

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Did Carlton win something without me noticing? Be big news. No kid in any school in the country has ever seen that!

 

[SuperSub17]

Have to love the constant revisionism on this board. Have a read through the preseason ladder predictor thread, almost everyone had us bottom 6 - hardly anyone making the top 8 - and we were winning the spoon poll preseason. There were many comments about our terrible list and we were supposedly going to be out of finals for many years.

Now apparently the results of this season were completely expected, our list is magically experienced and everybody could see it coming all along

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Have to love the constant revisionism on this board. Have a read through the preseason ladder predictor thread, almost everyone had us bottom 6 - hardly anyone making the top 8 - and we were winning the spoon poll preseason. There were many comments about our terrible list and we were supposedly going to be out of finals for many years.

Now apparently the results of this season were completely expected, our list is magically experienced and everybody could see it coming all along

- Hawthorn supporter (2018)

 

[WilloTree]

Is it a rebuild if it's the same list +Daicos?

 

[PyrrhicVic]

Bingo.

Blues fans know a middle-of-the-road list when they see one.

Hahahah yeah I'm sure Blues fan such as yourself are objectively analyzing Collingwood's list, and are not at all bitter that it's taken Carlton 20 years to do what the Magpies have in less than 12 months (minus 4 points of course).

 

[OniAu]

Is it a rebuild if it's the same list +Daicos?

Maybe its a list transition. We know the senior players wont be there at the next tilt. Feel like we are blooding the kids at the right time and where needed and rotating them in and out

 

[SuperSub17]

- Hawthorn supporter (2018)

I reckon a fair few people were saying similar about Richmond in 2017. Made a few finals in 13-15 then were terrible in 16 - they took an entire season to convince people they were any good.

In any case, not sure previous seasons that look somewhat similar have anything to do with now. Collingwood have their own unique challenges go forward both this year and next.

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

For all the people saying we are lucky to have won a lot of close games, yet last year nobody was saying how unlucky we were to lose a lot of close games. Last year we lost 4 games by 10 points or less and two games by a single point, including a loss to a goal after the siren.

The reality is last year we were unlucky to be 17th - we finished with a percentage of 85% - compare with this years 17th.
This year the reverse is true and luck is going our way.

So really last year we were more like a 10th to 12th side and have improved a bit with a new coach, a good run with injuries for once and guys like N Daicos and we are now more of a 7th to 9th side. Not a rebuild and not the drastic.

Spot on. Last year was the outlier - not the norm for Collingwood.

 

[Reg Grundy35]

Spot on. Last year was the outlier - not the norm for Collingwood.

Didn't slow down the doom sayers pre-season. wishful thinking I suppose. Now they all "knew the Pies would bounce back" with their list. lol. Ten years in the wilderness was their claim 4mths ago.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

I reckon a fair few people were saying similar about Richmond in 2017. Made a few finals in 13-15 then were terrible in 16 - they took an entire season to convince people they were any good.

In any case, not sure previous seasons that look somewhat similar have anything to do with now. Collingwood have their own unique challenges go forward both this year and next.

That was the Richmond list with three players aged 29 or older. Only one in the best 22 (Grigg).

The two list profiles are completely different.

 

[Saint]

Collingwood are one game clear of 7th after surviving a bunch of close contests against middle and lower teams and have had one of the easiest draws (so far) this season, playing the Suns, Adelaide and Essendon twice.

I think they'll beat Port this week, probably by a kick again, fans will go more mental and then losses to Melbourne and Sydney will temper things down a bit. My guess is that the last round against Carlton they'll be a chance of top 4, so it'll be like a mini-final. Beat Melbourne and they'll finish top 4. That's their crucial match.

As a neutral (dislike both equally), I'm actually quite looking forward to that final round match. Carlton might be playing to stay in finals.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Grand finalists in 2018, Almost grand finalists in 2019, semi finalists in 2020, 17th in 2021 and now finalists in 2022.
Apparently playing Nick Daicos, Ginnivan and Henry constitutes a rebuild.

Oh are we meant to be playing Henry? ****.