List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[Keys]

Don’t understand our reported interest in Clurey.

Makes no sense at all

He’s already turned 30.

Had a herniated disc in 2023 that kept him to 1 AFL and 4 SANFL games. Seems to have recovered from that to play 15 SANFL games but no AFL games

Is contracted to 2025 but with Port’s blessing he explored shifting clubs last offseason without success

At 193cm he’s an undersized KPD who’d be behind McGovern, Edwards, Bazzo and Jamieson (if he can get himself fit). My memory of him is a solid enough lockdown defender with OK skills but it’s telling that Port chased both Ratagolea and BZT to boost their KPD stocks last year as it was seen as a weakness for them

So he’s a stop gap measure at best who would more than likely be spending his time in the WAFL

To get him on the list we’d need to either delist a younger player or forego bringing in a projects player through the draft.

Personally, I’d rather throw a lifeline to Trey Ruscoe who’s the same height. Or for that matter DGB who might have some untapped potential in him, albeit unlikely.

The only scenario in which it would make some sense is if we lost both Edwards and Barrass. But that’s another level of incompetence if we allow that to happen


Edit : Here’s an article about his back issues in 2023 and seeking a trade out of Port

Port Adelaide defender lifts lid on failed off-season move, 'mentally challenging' injury battle and new position switch

"It was a challenging year, personally."

www.zerohanger.com

 

[pantskyle]

With Hawks getting Battle may mean they are more open to adding those steaknives required for Barrass.

 

[maverick001]

Haynes over Clurey I reckon. Has versatility to play tall or smaller , and has been a significantly better player

 

[Barrybran]

I am not sure how we are going to get pick 6 or 7 for Barrass

Get Gold Coast involved

WCE
OUT - Barrass, 59
IN - 6, 47

Hawthorn
OUT - 10, F2
IN - Barrass

Gold Coast
OUT - 6, 47
IN - 10, 59, F2

I imagine we would want Hawthorn's F2 more than a low pick upgrade but that's one way of getting a better pick back for Barrass.

 

[Obeanie1]

So Cal has updated his form guide and so has Cavanagh from the HUN

Here is the comparison (NOTE FS and NGA have been listed at the end and the numbers relate to who is available at that pick

	HUN - Cavanagh August			Cal August
1​	Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm		1​	Jagga Smith - Oakleigh - 181cm
2​	Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 182cm		2​	Harvey Langford - Dandenong - 190cm
3​	Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm		3​	Finn O'Sullivan - Oakleigh (VC) - 182cm
4​	Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm		4​	Josh Smillie - Eastern - 194cm
5​	Sam Lalor - GWV - 187cm		5​	Murphy Reid - Sandringham - 180cm
6​	Luke Trainor - Sandringham - 194cm		6​	Sid Draper - Sth Adel - 180cm
7​	Murphy Reid - Sandringham - 180cm		7​	Harry Armstrong - Sandringham - 195cm (ACL)
8​	Harry Armstrong - Sandringham - 195cm (ACL)		8​	Sam Lalor - GWV - 187cm
9​	Harvey Langford - Dandenong - 190cm		9​	Luke Trainor - Sandringham - 194cm
10​	Bo Allan - Peel - 191cm		10​	Bo Allan - Peel - 191cm
11​	Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo - 187cm		11​	Tobie Travaglia - Bendigo - 187cm
12​	Taj Hotton - Sandringham - 182cm (ACL)		12​	Taj Hotton - Sandringham - 182cm (ACL)
13​	Matt Whitlock - Murray - 197cm		13​	Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 183cm
14​	Xavier Lindsay - Gippsland - 183cm		14​	Joe Berry - Murray - 180cm
15​	Christian Moraes - Eastern - 183cm		15​	Cooper Hynes - Dandenong - 190cm
16​	Joe Berry - Murray - 180cm		16​	Jack Whitlock - Murray - 200cm
17​	Jack Whitlock - Murray - 200cm		17​	Alix Tauru - Gippsland 193cm
18​	Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo (NSW) - 194cm		18​	Jobe Shanahan - Bendigo (NSW) - 194cm
19​	Alex Dodson - Sturt 203 cm		19​	Alex Dodson - Sturt 203 cm
20​	Cooper Hynes - Dandenong - 190cm		20​	Jonty Faull - GWV - 195cm
21​	Tom Gross - Oakleigh - 181cm		21​	Christian Moraes - Eastern - 183cm
22​	Jonty Faull - GWV - 195cm		22​	Tom Gross - Oakleigh - 181cm
23​	Harrison Oliver - Sandringham 181cm		23​	Harrison Oliver - Sandringham 181cm
24​	Noah Mraz - Dandenong - 198cm		24​	Matt Whitlock - Murray - 197cm
25​	Alix Tauru - Gippsland 193cm		25​	Jesse Dattoli - Northern 179cm
26​	Jesse Dattoli - Northern 179cm		26​	Thomas Sims - Northern 199 cm
27​	Thomas Sims - Northern 199 cm
28​	Harry O'Farrell - Calder - 196cm
29​	Angus Clarke - Glenelg 188 cm
30​	Archer Day-Wicks - Bendigo 185cm
31​	Charlie Nicholls - Central Dist 197 cm
32​	Xavier Ivisic - Falcons 180 cm
33​	Lachie Jacques - Falcons 184 cm
34​	Josh Dolan - Sandringham 177 cm
35​	Jasper Alger - Oakleigh - 182cm
36​	Clancy Dennis - Claremont - 194 cm
37​	James Barrat - Pioneers 193 cm
38​	Oliver Warburton - Bushrangers 185 cm
39​	Jaxon Artemis - Sth Freo 180 cm
2​	Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham Bris FS - 179cm		1​	Levi Ashcroft - Sandringham Bris FS - 179cm
11​	Leonardo Lombard - Suns NGA 178cm		12​	Leonardo Lombard - Suns NGA 178cm
13​	Isaac Kako - Cannons Dons NGA 175 cm		15​	Isaac Kako - Cannons Dons NGA 175 cm
23​	Sam Marshall - Lions NGA 185 cm		24​	Sam Marshall - Lions NGA 185 cm
27​	Logan Smith - GWS NGA 204 cm		27​	Logan Smith - GWS NGA 204 cm
34​	Ben Camporeale - Glenelg 185 cm
36​	Adrian Cole - St Kilda NGA 195 cm
43​	Joel Cochran - Swans NGA 195 cm
45​	Lucas Camporeale - Glenelg 185 cm
49​	Malakai Champion - Subiaco Eagles NGA 180 cm
50​	Tyler Welsh - WWT Adel FS - 191cm

I have excluded the FS and NGA prospects that will not be open to the market.

A few points to note.
1. Differences of 2 or more in the top 10
- Langford - Cal at 2 HUN at 9
- Lalor - Cal at 8 HUN at 5
- Trainor Cal at 9 HUN at 6

2. Differences of 5 or more in the next grouping
- Moraes Cal at 21 HUN at 15
- M Whitlock at 24 HUN at 13
- Hynes Cal at 15 HUN at 20
- Tauru Cal at 17 HUN at 25

3. Cal must be hearing Norf are warming to Langford since he has them as the 2nd best option for them.

This all goes to show the evenness of the draft in the different phases.

The benefit for taking out the NGA FS prospects is that if you think Hawks might offer pick 12, you get to see who is really available.

Need to death ride the Hawks.

Pick 11 gets Travagalia or at worse Lindsay.

 

[Obeanie1]

Hotton I think will continue to slide. He’s a talent but just like Brayden George in his draft year clubs will be hesitant to take a kid coming off an ACL. George ended up at pick 26.

Agreed.

Will slide more than just a couple of places due to his injury.

Plus recency bias pushes others ahead of him.

The George example is a good recent example. And it looks like it isn't working out for the poor kid.

 

[Obeanie1]

The kids are locked in for three years now, I think it's time to stop worrying about 'flight risks'. Of course they are going to be worried about moving interstate at age 17/18, their view will be different at 21, with new friends, team success etc.

I wouldn't disregard flight risk just because first rounderers now get three year deals.

An unhappy kid who's a mummies boy isn't going to thrive and improve. Or have the mental fortitude to make it at the top level.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Don’t understand our reported interest in Clurey.

Makes no sense at all

He’s already turned 30.

Had a herniated disc in 2023 that kept him to 1 AFL and 4 SANFL games. Seems to have recovered from that to play 15 SANFL games but no AFL games

Is contracted to 2025 but with Port’s blessing he explored shifting clubs last offseason without success

At 193cm he’s an undersized KPD who’d be behind McGovern, Edwards, Bazzo and Jamieson (if he can get himself fit). My memory of him is a solid enough lockdown defender with OK skills but it’s telling that Port chased both Ratagolea and BZT to boost their KPD stocks last year as it was seen as a weakness for them

So he’s a stop gap measure at best who would more than likely be spending his time in the WAFL

To get him on the list we’d need to either delist a younger player or forego bringing in a projects player through the draft.

Personally, I’d rather throw a lifeline to Trey Ruscoe who’s the same height. Or for that matter DGB who might have some untapped potential in him, albeit unlikely.

The only scenario in which it would make some sense is if we lost both Edwards and Barrass. But that’s another level of incompetence if we allow that to happen


Edit : Here’s an article about his back issues in 2023 and seeking a trade out of Port

Port Adelaide defender lifts lid on failed off-season move, 'mentally challenging' injury battle and new position switch

"It was a challenging year, personally."

www.zerohanger.com

Floored to find out Ruscoe is as tall as 193cm.

Wouldn’t be particularly keen on either playing meaningful KPD minutes at AFL level. Surely better mature aged depth options out there.

Clurey but 198cm would be perfect as a fourth or fifth in line, everyone else is injured option. But 193cm concerns me.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Get Gold Coast involved

WCE
OUT - Barrass, 59
IN - 6, 47

Hawthorn
OUT - 10, F2
IN - Barrass

Gold Coast
OUT - 6, 47
IN - 10, 59, F2

I imagine we would want Hawthorn's F2 more than a low pick upgrade but that's one way of getting a better pick back for Barrass.

No chance. GC won't want to move 6 back as they will be hoping a bid comes in for Lombardo after 6.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Don’t understand our reported interest in Clurey.

Makes no sense at all

He’s already turned 30.

Had a herniated disc in 2023 that kept him to 1 AFL and 4 SANFL games. Seems to have recovered from that to play 15 SANFL games but no AFL games

Is contracted to 2025 but with Port’s blessing he explored shifting clubs last offseason without success

At 193cm he’s an undersized KPD who’d be behind McGovern, Edwards, Bazzo and Jamieson (if he can get himself fit). My memory of him is a solid enough lockdown defender with OK skills but it’s telling that Port chased both Ratagolea and BZT to boost their KPD stocks last year as it was seen as a weakness for them

So he’s a stop gap measure at best who would more than likely be spending his time in the WAFL

To get him on the list we’d need to either delist a younger player or forego bringing in a projects player through the draft.

Personally, I’d rather throw a lifeline to Trey Ruscoe who’s the same height. Or for that matter DGB who might have some untapped potential in him, albeit unlikely.

The only scenario in which it would make some sense is if we lost both Edwards and Barrass. But that’s another level of incompetence if we allow that to happen


Edit : Here’s an article about his back issues in 2023 and seeking a trade out of Port

Port Adelaide defender lifts lid on failed off-season move, 'mentally challenging' injury battle and new position switch

"It was a challenging year, personally."

www.zerohanger.com

Genuine break glass option in case Gov is injured and Bazzo doesn’t come on, who costs nothing.

I actually don’t hate it. Club is sick of 100 point losses and the Coleman medal being decided based on who gets us twice with no big backs. May never play but better than chucking Ginbey to the wolves or Allen back. Which we did a few times last year.

 

[Elite Pete]

That's fair and with Harley even if he were a flight risk (I never thought so) he was so far and away the stand out number one pick that you'd pick him anyway and back a good culture to have him mature over his initial 3 year contract. Where as if it is for a guy that is on par with 4 or 5 others you're better off just avoiding out of an abundance of caution and pick the one that will by into the atmosphere.

Love the intel and I please provide more in the future if you have any.

Just draft intel? Of Doggies as well? Garcia likely going or staying?

 

[Barrybran]

No chance. GC won't want to move 6 back as they will be hoping a bid comes in for Lombardo after 6.

Fair enough. Keep 10 for us and offer 3 & 23 for 6 & 11 then. Pick swaps to make the points work, Gold Coast stays ahead of the Lombard pick and we wind up with three picks inside the top 11.

 

[JackOutback]

I wouldn't disregard flight risk just because first rounderers now get three year deals.

An unhappy kid who's a mummies boy isn't going to thrive and improve. Or have the mental fortitude to make it at the top level.

Maybe don't completely disregard it but it should be right at the bottom of consideration. Kids change a lot between 17 at home and 21 away from, they become adults, independent, realise they can make it in the world. And on a footballer's salary to boot... too easy. We haven't lost many players and I'd back us in to convince anyone in three years that we're a good club to play at.

Look at Harley Reid, getting just his fourth win against a pretty average Gold Coast, yet it felt like a final the way the stadium was rocking. Would have felt electric and you simply don't get that at North or Saints. Now imagine when we actually get good.

 

[Obeanie1]

Maybe don't completely disregard it but it should be right at the bottom of consideration. Kids change a lot between 17 at home and 21 away from, they become adults, independent, realise they can make it in the world. And on a footballer's salary to boot... too easy. We haven't lost many players and I'd back us in to convince anyone in three years that we're a good club to play at.

Look at Harley Reid, getting just his fourth win against a pretty average Gold Coast, yet it felt like a final the way the stadium was rocking. Would have felt electric and you simply don't get that at North or Saints. Now imagine when we actually get good.

We do have a great record in retaining interstate players.

Maybe that is because we are good at selecting kids with the right attitude to relocating.

If a kid puts out there they don't want to move its a red flag one way or the other. It indicates they aren't prepared to make sacrifices nor do the hard things. Both traits are indicators when the going gets tough they likely aren't up to the challenge. No matter what the challenge is.

 

[ghostbat12]

So….what are odds we could draft Harry
Armstrong?
Bit of Cameron about him.

I know I know, we need midfielders but if he is, say another Allen…

And I know know, we need this don’t need that. We need everything.

Don’t want us to draft will Phillips because of need when Logan McDonald is best available.

 

[JackOutback]

We do have a great record in retaining interstate players.

Maybe that is because we are good at selecting kids with the right attitude to relocating.

If a kid puts out there they don't want to move its a red flag one way or the other. It indicates they aren't prepared to make sacrifices nor do the hard things. Both traits are indicators when the going gets tough they likely aren't up to the challenge. No matter what the challenge is.

Or, and hear me out here, they are immature kids facing a pretty big life change and their reticence is completely normal and not a sign they are mentally weak or incapable of adapting as they continue to grow.

 

[Obeanie1]

Floored to find out Ruscoe is as tall as 193cm.

Wouldn’t be particularly keen on either playing meaningful KPD minutes at AFL level. Surely better mature aged depth options out there.

Clurey but 198cm would be perfect as a fourth or fifth in line, everyone else is injured option. But 193cm concerns me.

Ruscoe is a free upgrade on Rotham.

A 3rd tall.

Except Ruscoe can play forward and back. I also feel he has a bit more of an edge to his game than Rotham.

If we cut 10 players we are signing DFA's.

 

[Wild Kelly]

If he's 172cm then he's 1cm taller than Kysaiah Pickett.

He looks to go as hard also.

Thanks but do we have a weight comparison?

 

[Bender_]

Thanks but do we have a weight comparison?

0.63 McGoverns

 

[Elite Pete]

Love how aggressive it appears we are. Hope the recruiting meetings get some over the line (Peatling, Garcia). The list turnover is on.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Maybe don't completely disregard it but it should be right at the bottom of consideration. Kids change a lot between 17 at home and 21 away from, they become adults, independent, realise they can make it in the world. And on a footballer's salary to boot... too easy. We haven't lost many players and I'd back us in to convince anyone in three years that we're a good club to play at.

Look at Harley Reid, getting just his fourth win against a pretty average Gold Coast, yet it felt like a final the way the stadium was rocking. Would have felt electric and you simply don't get that at North or Saints. Now imagine when we actually get good.

This is 100% true. We're not concerned with losing Victoria players to clubs like North and Saints.

If i was a kid skeptical about leaving Melbourne i'd be more interested in going to a club like West Coast in the hope that one day id be able to play for a decent club back in Melbourne. Of course, Chris Judd left a powerhouse club to go to perennial losers in Carlton and did so for money reasons.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Love how aggressive it appears we are. Hope the recruiting meetings get some over the line (Peatling). The list turnover is on.

List turnover is good if you don't botch it on draft day.

 

[Wild Kelly]

Smillie could be an interesting one with his size and strength alone, as a coach i called them 2 tackler players they draw 2 to the tackle, seeing as i already have Reid in this category it could create nightmares for other midfields match up wise

Reid has been drawing 3 and 4 opposition players lately.

 

[Elite Pete]

List turnover is good if you don't botch it on draft day.

Agreed but they ain’t cutting the next Jez Cameron from what we’ve seen and pulling all 3 levers.

The ‘TB pick’ will be the pressure pick

 

[sharps24]

The 7 & 12 for Rioli is a perfect example of the cheerleading rhetoric masked as analysis from Victoria. Richmond should be doing backflips if they secured him for either one of those picks.

If Richmond gets 2 firsts for Roili we need to be asking for a priority pick, Suns ruin the draft every year and outrageous that Tom Barrass is likely going for significantly less than the worst Rioli.