List Mgmt. Contract, Trade and Draft Discussions - 2024 Edition

[Keys]

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Latest news and rumours:

• Tom Barrass officially requests trade to Hawthorn
  • Duffield: Eagles want two first round picks - "It may have to be in this year’s draft rather than a future pick."
  • Morris: Josh Battle is set to join Barrass at Hawthorn in 2025 - Ralph: Unclear if Hawks will pay enough for Band 1

• Kysaiah Pickett interested in a trade
  • "Club and management are confident they can work through his concerns"
  • Daniels: Pickett’s preference is Fremantle. Fremantle are keen, but Bolton the priority. Getting both “not impossible”. West Coast “an option if things get complicated.”

• Jai Culley, Coen Livingstone, Loch Rawlinson in line for one-year deals (The West)
  
  
• Liam Baker and Shai Bolton
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  Shai Bolton

  Age

  25

  Ht

  176cm

  Wt

  77kg

  Pos.

  M/F

  Career

  Season

  Last 5

  D

  12.3

  3star

  K

  6.9

  3star

  HB

  5.4

  4star

  M

  2.8

  3star

  T

  2.9

  4star

  CL

  1.4

  4star

  D

  12.7

  3star

  K

  9.2

  4star

  HB

  3.5

  2star

  M

  3.0

  3star

  T

  2.7

  4star

  CL

  1.8

  4star

  D

  9.2

  3star

  K

  4.6

  2star

  HB

  4.6

  4star

  M

  2.0

  3star

  T

  2.6

  4star

  CL

  0.0

  1star

  officially request trades to WA
  • Daniels: Bolton is Fremantle’s priority

 

[noobermensch]

A tough game for the Panthers and a tough game for Sid Draper, the first SANFL game this year in which he's struggled to have an impact. He appeared to be put off his game at center bounce early by the bigger and more experienced Glenelg mids that pushed him off his run at the ball. As a result he never really got going, and was eventually moved out of the middle to play off a forward flank in the second half, which starved him of opportunities with Glenelg dominating territory. He still managed one sequence where he burst clear and broke the lines with elite pace and agility before dishing off to create a goal for his teammate.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

If Bailey put on 5kgs and spent a full preseason knowing hes going to be a ruckman he wont get bodied like he does, hes still got the body shape of a key forward

I think this is key. He's adamant that he's a forward and I believe has been training with the forwards in previous preseasons.

Needs to accept that his role at the WCE is as a ruck (or no role at all) and train full time for the role.

 

[mat11]

Anyone know when the exit meeting start? Assuming tomorrow is mad Monday will we start seeing delistings Wednesday?

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Basically cos we were too busy chasing a pie in the sky in Tim English. If we got in his ear we would have had a good chance

How the hell would you know?

You spend your time slagging off at the list team and pretend you have insight and expertise when in fact you are the master of the rear vision mirror and a want to be member of the ministry of nice outcomes.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

How the hell would you know?

You spend your time slagging off at the list team and pretend you have insight and expertise when in fact you are the master of the rear vision mirror and a want to be member of the ministry of nice outcomes.

Outage for the sake of outage. You don’t think we made Tim English a contract offer ?

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Witts just wont budge. A better chance at a ton of others. Reily O'Brien for example would be a easier get.

Straight swap for Barnett. Who say no?

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[Keys]

I think this is key. He's adamant that he's a forward and I believe has been training with the forwards in previous preseasons.

Needs to accept that his role at the WCE is as a ruck (or no role at all) and train full time for the role.

Full agreement here

Bailey isn’t a forward/ruck and even if he was Jack Williams is significantly better in that role. So that experiment with Bailey as a forward needs to end

If he plays it’s as our ruckman and is competing directly with Flynn for that spot. Let them go H2H over preseason to win the spot

Posters bagging the shit out of him then thinking he has any trade value are deluded. If he’s as shit as some here think, and there’s evidence to support that tbh, then he’s not going to have any suitors offering a decent trade pick

With Barnett not coming on at all as a ruck, I can understand the desire to find another competent ruck but it may just not be an option. It’s clearly why we were after English

Get Bailey in the gym this offseason and sit him down with hours and hours of Tom Dekoning footage as someone to model his game on

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

How the hell would you know?

You spend your time slagging off at the list team and pretend you have insight and expertise when in fact you are the master of the rear vision mirror and a want to be member of the ministry of nice outcomes.

We spent too long trying to sweet talk English, we could have spent that time turning Moyle's ear.

But we'd have needed to offer him millions.

But we only need an average ruck, there's a few others we could look at.

It's pretty simple really, dunno what Pyke's playing at tbh.

 

[eaglevision]

Straight swap for Barnett. Who say no?

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I’ve suggested this before. 100% I’d do it and most of the Crows board would too.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We spent too long trying to sweet talk English, we could have spent that time turning Moyle's ear.

But we'd have needed to offer him millions.

But we only need an average ruck, there's a few others we could look at.

It's pretty simple really, dunno what Pyke's playing at tbh.

Literally do anything and everything is my statement here. If you don’t think our ruck situation is a number 1 priority I suggest you watch Xerris game vs us one more time

 

[WCE_phil]

Well Hutchinson went ok yesterday but I'm assuming we drafted him to play midfield and not in the forward line

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Hutch was drafted as any position from HF to HB defending on where he fit. It was too high a talent level and rate of improvement to ignore. I don't think anyone saw his potential ability as an inside player. His athletic talent and size is amazing but it's the head on his shoulders that is the elite quality. He just needs a couple of preseasons and consistent training and play through the midfield to get there.

Xerri is a horrendous disposer of the ball as well. Bailey can be an average ruck in the future but he needs to train like a ruck as CountryLad said. He needs to put on 5+, potentially 10kg of muscle and redistribute his key mass areas and train solely as a ruck. He also needs to work on the defensive side of his game, particularly once at that point using his frame to help protect the mids and open play.

WCE are so incredibly short on developed inside mids who are AFL level something has to be done at trade. Yeo has lost most of his burst as well as some speed which was to be expected. Kelly was never an inside mid and shouldn't be played there. As an inside mid at least 50% of games it's arguable whether he is AFL quality.

I have no issues in spending up on getting established players who can play inside and particularly inside and out as people are right. Currently our inside midfield bats to 3 and one of them was a first year 18/19 year old.

 

[stallon]

Literally do anything and everything is my statement here. If you don’t think our ruck situation is a number 1 priority I suggest you watch Xerris game vs us one more time

We arent going to get someone like Xerri.

Any significant upgrade on our ruck is going to cost us picks that we need.

 

[WCE_phil]

Also I worry that Barnett is a wingman in an oversized ruckmans body. Hopefully he can show something down back.

I still don't think Archer Reid is a forward. He could make it as a forward but I think he could be a great key back.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

We arent going to get someone like Xerri.

Any significant upgrade on our ruck is going to cost us picks that we need.

Hahaha I know that. I’m saying watch how he destroyed us completely. Pittonet got 20 possessions and 8 clearances against us and people think we should just clap and ignore this. We gotta stop fix this ASAP

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Literally do anything and everything is my statement here. If you don’t think our ruck situation is a number 1 priority I suggest you watch Xerris game vs us one more time

Do something like try to get Flynn fit?

Teach our kids to rove to the opposition rucks?

Pick another cheap option off the merry go round?

If you think our ruck situation is our number 1 priority, I suggest you go back and watch our entire season one more time.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Literally do anything and everything is my statement here. If you don’t think our ruck situation is a number 1 priority I suggest you watch Xerris game vs us one more time

Would rather have the best midfield in the comp and an average at best ruckman.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Also I worry that Barnett is a wingman in an oversized ruckmans body. Hopefully he can show something down back.

I still don't think Archer Reid is a forward. He could make it as a forward but I think he could be a great key back.

I agree. Big preseason for him. He has to play somewhere and down back will be our deficiency.

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[Keys]

Hutch was drafted as any position from HF to HB defending on where he fit. It was too high a talent level and rate of improvement to ignore. I don't think anyone saw his potential ability as an inside player. His athletic talent and size is amazing but it's the head on his shoulders that is the elite quality. He just needs a couple of preseasons and consistent training and play through the midfield to get there.

Xerri is a horrendous disposer of the ball as well. Bailey can be an average ruck in the future but he needs to train like a ruck as CountryLad said. He needs to put on 5+, potentially 10kg of muscle and redistribute his key mass areas and train solely as a ruck. He also needs to work on the defensive side of his game, particularly once at that point using his frame to help protect the mids and open play.

WCE are so incredibly short on developed inside mids who are AFL level something has to be done at trade. Yeo has lost most of his burst as well as some speed which was to be expected. Kelly was never an inside mid and shouldn't be played there. As an inside mid at least 50% of games it's arguable whether he is AFL quality.

I have no issues in spending up on getting established players who can play inside and particularly inside and out as people are right. Currently our inside midfield bats to 3 and one of them was a first year 18/19 year old.

Shake the **** out of Peatling’s tree please

Seems like a very good fit for us that is a realistic target

 

[KERRPOW]

1st-4th yr players

Should be good
Reid
Ginbey
Hough
JWilliams
Hewett**

Hopeful of being good
Maric
Hutch
Long
A.Reid
Dewar
HJ

Jury is very much out
Hall
Culley
Chesser
Bazzo
Brockman

Strike out
Barnett
Burgeil
Trew, LEdwards (may be 5th yr)

Agree with this.

If bazzo is in the jury's out list, then Hewett should very much be on there too.

 

[WCE_phil]

Shake the **** out of Peatling’s tree please

Seems like a very good fit for us that is a realistic target

It'll be in a few weeks time, all I can say is this. I'm not going to Sydney for no reason and i'm not just chasing one player.

 

[KERRPOW]

Also I worry that Barnett is a wingman in an oversized ruckmans body. Hopefully he can show something down back.

I still don't think Archer Reid is a forward. He could make it as a forward but I think he could be a great key back.

Looks like there will be opportunity to play reid down back.

 

[KERRPOW]

Literally do anything and everything is my statement here. If you don’t think our ruck situation is a number 1 priority I suggest you watch Xerris game vs us one more time

Ah yeah...and wherea NORF on the ladder again? And Arguably norf have a much better midfield collective than us too.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

Do something like try to get Flynn fit?

Teach our kids to rove to the opposition rucks?

Pick another cheap option off the merry go round?

If you think our ruck situation is our number 1 priority, I suggest you go back and watch our entire season one more time.

If we had....

Mcgluggage
Neale
Ashcroft
Dunkley
Berry
Etal

....the ruck situation wouldnt be an issue.

Everyone he needs to cool the jets on our desperation for a ruck and your willingness to spend draft capital on one, when the reality is we need mids of all persuasions.

We need another inside bull.
We need a balanced in/out mid
We need 2 wingman
We need elite half back flankers who can run and carry and not turn the ball over


And...we need a coaching panel that can educate the mid group the craft of roving the ruck contest regardless of which ruckman wins the tap.



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[Barrybran]

Literally do anything and everything is my statement here. If you don’t think our ruck situation is a number 1 priority I suggest you watch Xerris game vs us one more time

Our ruck situation is not our number 1 priority due to 1) needing more quality midfielders and 2) lack of available options. It needs to be addressed but it is not our number 1 priority.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

It'll be in a few weeks time, all I can say is this. I'm not going to Sydney for no reason and i'm not just chasing one player.

Shake the Sheldrick

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